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Adopted 4 from Korea
Loved and respected in community But he stole half a Million dollars from bank he worked at When the indictments came down he killed his wife and all 4 kids, bought gas and torched himself in a burning car wreck. News media had "human interest story" footage from before it all hit the fan. http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4513309 Indicted Iowa Banker's Family Murdered Father Wanted by Police May Have Killed Himself in Single-Vehicle Highway Crash By DAVID SCHOETZ March 24, 2008 -- Five family members of an Iowa banker recently indicted on federal embezzlement and money laundering charges were found dead in their home today in Iowa City, Iowa. The victims included the man's wife and their four children. Police think the banker may have died a short time later in a fiery car crash on a nearby highway. The Iowa City Police Department said in a news release that officers went to the home of 42-year-old Steven Sueppel after receiving a 911 call at 6:31 a.m. from a cell phone. The unidentified caller directed authorities to the home, where the five bodies were found. "Responding officers found the house unlocked," according to the release. "Officers made entry out of concern for the safety of the occupants. Officers located five deceased persons, the adult female resident and four children." It's not yet clear exactly how the victims died. A spokesman for the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation confirmed to ABC News that the Iowa City Police Department had requested help processing evidence at a multiple homicide crime scene early this morning. Sueppel, who was indicted in February by the U.S. Attorney's Office in southern Iowa on embezzlement and laundering charges, was missing, as was the family's tan Toyota Sienna minivan. The Sueppel's vehicle was later involved in a fatal single-car crash along Interstate 80 in Iowa, Iowa City police announced this afternoon. "The vehicle's driver and sole occupant died in the fiery crash," according to police. The deceased driver's burns were so severe that he could not be identified immediately, police said. An autopsy is scheduled for Tuesday for the driver of the minivan as well as for the five Sueppel family members found dead inside the house. The Sueppel home is not far from the University of Iowa campus, which as a precaution issued a "Hawk Alert" this morning warning students to be on the lookout for "a white male in his mid-40s" who was involved in a shooting incident near the campus. Police have not confirmed whether a gun was used to kill the Sueppel family members. Leon Spies, Sueppel's Iowa City attorney, said that he had been in touch with the federal prosecutor's office this morning regarding the deaths. "The enormity of this tragedy is unimaginable," Spies said. Sueppel was set to go to trial in April to face federal embezzlement and money laundering charges, Spies said. Sueppel had pleaded not guilty to the charges, which were announced by U.S. attorney Matthew Whitaker Feb. 12. "The indictment alleges that starting on July 26, 2000, and continuing to September 2007, Sueppel, formerly vice president and controller at Hills Bank & Trust in Johnson County, embezzled bank funds and subsequently conducted financial transactions to launder stolen funds," according to a statement posted on the U.S. Attorney's Office Web site. Sueppel allegedly stole nearly $560,000 during the seven-year span. Despite the allegations, Spies said that his client was admired throughout the Iowa City area. "Steve and his entire family were wildly loved and admired and respected in just about every circle you can imagine," he said. Copyright (c) 2008 ABC News Internet Ventures |
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Some very strange things are popping up in the Sueppel case. My good friend
Baby Love Child has a new blog on the case with commentary and lots of links to news articles. Wha's with Holt? Dare I ask? http://www.babylovechild.org/ Marley "Greegor" wrote in message ... Adopted 4 from Korea Loved and respected in community But he stole half a Million dollars from bank he worked at When the indictments came down he killed his wife and all 4 kids, bought gas and torched himself in a burning car wreck. News media had "human interest story" footage from before it all hit the fan. http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4513309 Indicted Iowa Banker's Family Murdered Father Wanted by Police May Have Killed Himself in Single-Vehicle Highway Crash By DAVID SCHOETZ March 24, 2008 -- Five family members of an Iowa banker recently indicted on federal embezzlement and money laundering charges were found dead in their home today in Iowa City, Iowa. The victims included the man's wife and their four children. Police think the banker may have died a short time later in a fiery car crash on a nearby highway. The Iowa City Police Department said in a news release that officers went to the home of 42-year-old Steven Sueppel after receiving a 911 call at 6:31 a.m. from a cell phone. The unidentified caller directed authorities to the home, where the five bodies were found. "Responding officers found the house unlocked," according to the release. "Officers made entry out of concern for the safety of the occupants. Officers located five deceased persons, the adult female resident and four children." It's not yet clear exactly how the victims died. A spokesman for the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation confirmed to ABC News that the Iowa City Police Department had requested help processing evidence at a multiple homicide crime scene early this morning. Sueppel, who was indicted in February by the U.S. Attorney's Office in southern Iowa on embezzlement and laundering charges, was missing, as was the family's tan Toyota Sienna minivan. The Sueppel's vehicle was later involved in a fatal single-car crash along Interstate 80 in Iowa, Iowa City police announced this afternoon. "The vehicle's driver and sole occupant died in the fiery crash," according to police. The deceased driver's burns were so severe that he could not be identified immediately, police said. An autopsy is scheduled for Tuesday for the driver of the minivan as well as for the five Sueppel family members found dead inside the house. The Sueppel home is not far from the University of Iowa campus, which as a precaution issued a "Hawk Alert" this morning warning students to be on the lookout for "a white male in his mid-40s" who was involved in a shooting incident near the campus. Police have not confirmed whether a gun was used to kill the Sueppel family members. Leon Spies, Sueppel's Iowa City attorney, said that he had been in touch with the federal prosecutor's office this morning regarding the deaths. "The enormity of this tragedy is unimaginable," Spies said. Sueppel was set to go to trial in April to face federal embezzlement and money laundering charges, Spies said. Sueppel had pleaded not guilty to the charges, which were announced by U.S. attorney Matthew Whitaker Feb. 12. "The indictment alleges that starting on July 26, 2000, and continuing to September 2007, Sueppel, formerly vice president and controller at Hills Bank & Trust in Johnson County, embezzled bank funds and subsequently conducted financial transactions to launder stolen funds," according to a statement posted on the U.S. Attorney's Office Web site. Sueppel allegedly stole nearly $560,000 during the seven-year span. Despite the allegations, Spies said that his client was admired throughout the Iowa City area. "Steve and his entire family were wildly loved and admired and respected in just about every circle you can imagine," he said. Copyright (c) 2008 ABC News Internet Ventures |
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Some very strange things are popping up in the Sueppel case. My good friend Baby Love Child has a new blog on the case with commentary and lots of links to news articles. Wha's with Holt? Dare I ask? http://www.babylovechild.org/ Thanks, I thought the thing about how Holt Inc is legally obligated by Korean law to encourage adoptive families to respect the children's existing religious customs, but in reality they require adoptive families to be very Christian and even push them to push that on the kids. The thing where Holt Inc said the kids had 4 different mothers (here) but over there in Korea said they could have all been siblings, that revealed them to be liars. The mystery about where all of the money went is interesting, will that mystery be unfolded? In early news footage flames were not just coming out of the cabin of the crashed van, they seemed to "jet" out. At least one report indicated he had stopped at a gas station. A fuel tank below a vehicle's floor usually doesn't make massive jets shoot out of the cabin even in a bad wreck. (It did not seem to be squashed like an accordian.) I suspect he bought jerry cans of gas to immolate himself. Those flames jetted out like they came from INSIDE the van, not from the gas can below the floor. People who fight Child Protective Services commonly find such violations. CPS actively supports major changes of religion, political views, etc. The CPS nitwits actively set this up as various kinds of "social engineering" even though the foster incarceration is supposed to be temporary. It's almost as bad as when they've had kids photos on the state "adopt this kid" web site when the parents rights have not been terminated. "Greegor" wrote in message Adopted 4 from Korea Loved and respected in community But he stole half a Million dollars from bank he worked at When the indictments came down he killed his wife and all 4 kids, bought gas and torched himself in a burning car wreck. News media had "human interest story" footage from before it all hit the fan. http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4513309 Indicted Iowa Banker's Family Murdered Father Wanted by Police May Have Killed Himself in Single-Vehicle Highway Crash By DAVID SCHOETZ March 24, 2008 -- Five family members of an Iowa banker recently indicted on federal embezzlement and money laundering charges were found dead in their home today in Iowa City, Iowa. The victims included the man's wife and their four children. Police think the banker may have died a short time later in a fiery car crash on a nearby highway. The Iowa City Police Department said in a news release that officers went to the home of 42-year-old Steven Sueppel after receiving a 911 call at 6:31 a.m. from a cell phone. The unidentified caller directed authorities to the home, where the five bodies were found. "Responding officers found the house unlocked," according to the release. "Officers made entry out of concern for the safety of the occupants. Officers located five deceased persons, the adult female resident and four children." It's not yet clear exactly how the victims died. A spokesman for the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation confirmed to ABC News that the Iowa City Police Department had requested help processing evidence at a multiple homicide crime scene early this morning. Sueppel, who was indicted in February by the U.S. Attorney's Office in southern Iowa on embezzlement and laundering charges, was missing, as was the family's tan Toyota Sienna minivan. The Sueppel's vehicle was later involved in a fatal single-car crash along Interstate 80 in Iowa, Iowa City police announced this afternoon. "The vehicle's driver and sole occupant died in the fiery crash," according to police. The deceased driver's burns were so severe that he could not be identified immediately, police said. An autopsy is scheduled for Tuesday for the driver of the minivan as well as for the five Sueppel family members found dead inside the house. The Sueppel home is not far from the University of Iowa campus, which as a precaution issued a "Hawk Alert" this morning warning students to be on the lookout for "a white male in his mid-40s" who was involved in a shooting incident near the campus. Police have not confirmed whether a gun was used to kill the Sueppel family members. Leon Spies, Sueppel's Iowa City attorney, said that he had been in touch with the federal prosecutor's office this morning regarding the deaths. "The enormity of this tragedy is unimaginable," Spies said. Sueppel was set to go to trial in April to face federal embezzlement and money laundering charges, Spies said. Sueppel had pleaded not guilty to the charges, which were announced by U.S. attorney Matthew Whitaker Feb. 12. "The indictment alleges that starting on July 26, 2000, and continuing to September 2007, Sueppel, formerly vice president and controller at Hills Bank & Trust in Johnson County, embezzled bank funds and subsequently conducted financial transactions to launder stolen funds," according to a statement posted on the U.S. Attorney's Office Web site. Sueppel allegedly stole nearly $560,000 during the seven-year span. Despite the allegations, Spies said that his client was admired throughout the Iowa City area. "Steve and his entire family were wildly loved and admired and respected in just about every circle you can imagine," he said. |
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"Greegor" wrote in message ... Marley wrote Some very strange things are popping up in the Sueppel case. My good friend Baby Love Child has a new blog on the case with commentary and lots of links to news articles. Wha's with Holt? Dare I ask? http://www.babylovechild.org/ Thanks, I thought the thing about how Holt Inc is legally obligated by Korean law to encourage adoptive families to respect the children's existing religious customs, but in reality they require adoptive families to be very Christian and even push them to push that on the kids. There is a problem with respecting existing religious customs when you are dealing with children who are too young to have developed religious customs. It appears that this may be the case with these children. If a child is very young, 'upholding' would only apply to the religious preferences of the family, not the children. I would be more concerned about how the children came to be adoptable. The thing where Holt Inc said the kids had 4 different mothers (here) but over there in Korea said they could have all been siblings, that revealed them to be liars. Possibly a mistake in records? The mystery about where all of the money went is interesting, will that mystery be unfolded? In all liklihood no one would ever know what, exactly, happened to the money. Yes, that's a large sum of cash, but over so may years time it coudl have easily been spent on vacations, etc a little at a time. It's not as if he stole the money all in one large chunk. In early news footage flames were not just coming out of the cabin of the crashed van, they seemed to "jet" out. At least one report indicated he had stopped at a gas station. A fuel tank below a vehicle's floor usually doesn't make massive jets shoot out of the cabin even in a bad wreck. (It did not seem to be squashed like an accordian.) I suspect he bought jerry cans of gas to immolate himself. Those flames jetted out like they came from INSIDE the van, not from the gas can below the floor. People who fight Child Protective Services commonly find such violations. CPS actively supports major changes of religion, political views, etc. The mandate is to support the religion of the family. That, in no way, applies to AFTER adoption. It would make little sense to force adoptive parents to raise a child (especially a very young one) within a religion that is in direct conflict of their own. Satanists vs Christians when a child is not old enough to have a religious preference of their own, it makes little difference. The CPS nitwits actively set this up as various kinds of "social engineering" even though the foster incarceration is supposed to be temporary. Can you provide links? I would like to see cases where temporary foster care has included forced relgion of any kind, and 'social engineering'. It's almost as bad as when they've had kids photos on the state "adopt this kid" web site when the parents rights have not been terminated. I have looked at my own state's web site many times and never saw a child who was not free for adoption unless there were extenuatig circumstances in which termination was inevitable, such as when a parent is in carcerated long term. I personally do not agree with adoptions outside an individual's own family, however, I do respect those who can adopt unrelated children and raise them as their own. One aspect of adoption that I absolutely do NOT agree with is secrecy. I believe that each adopted child has the right to know that they are adopted from as young as they are able to comprehend the idea, and that they have a right to the information regarding who their parents are, how they came to be adopted, etc. It's unfortunate that this adoption turned out as it did...not all adoptive parents are mentally ill and uacceptable as adopters. "Greegor" wrote in message Adopted 4 from Korea Loved and respected in community But he stole half a Million dollars from bank he worked at When the indictments came down he killed his wife and all 4 kids, bought gas and torched himself in a burning car wreck. News media had "human interest story" footage from before it all hit the fan. http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4513309 Indicted Iowa Banker's Family Murdered Father Wanted by Police May Have Killed Himself in Single-Vehicle Highway Crash By DAVID SCHOETZ March 24, 2008 -- Five family members of an Iowa banker recently indicted on federal embezzlement and money laundering charges were found dead in their home today in Iowa City, Iowa. The victims included the man's wife and their four children. Police think the banker may have died a short time later in a fiery car crash on a nearby highway. The Iowa City Police Department said in a news release that officers went to the home of 42-year-old Steven Sueppel after receiving a 911 call at 6:31 a.m. from a cell phone. The unidentified caller directed authorities to the home, where the five bodies were found. "Responding officers found the house unlocked," according to the release. "Officers made entry out of concern for the safety of the occupants. Officers located five deceased persons, the adult female resident and four children." It's not yet clear exactly how the victims died. A spokesman for the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation confirmed to ABC News that the Iowa City Police Department had requested help processing evidence at a multiple homicide crime scene early this morning. Sueppel, who was indicted in February by the U.S. Attorney's Office in southern Iowa on embezzlement and laundering charges, was missing, as was the family's tan Toyota Sienna minivan. The Sueppel's vehicle was later involved in a fatal single-car crash along Interstate 80 in Iowa, Iowa City police announced this afternoon. "The vehicle's driver and sole occupant died in the fiery crash," according to police. The deceased driver's burns were so severe that he could not be identified immediately, police said. An autopsy is scheduled for Tuesday for the driver of the minivan as well as for the five Sueppel family members found dead inside the house. The Sueppel home is not far from the University of Iowa campus, which as a precaution issued a "Hawk Alert" this morning warning students to be on the lookout for "a white male in his mid-40s" who was involved in a shooting incident near the campus. Police have not confirmed whether a gun was used to kill the Sueppel family members. Leon Spies, Sueppel's Iowa City attorney, said that he had been in touch with the federal prosecutor's office this morning regarding the deaths. "The enormity of this tragedy is unimaginable," Spies said. Sueppel was set to go to trial in April to face federal embezzlement and money laundering charges, Spies said. Sueppel had pleaded not guilty to the charges, which were announced by U.S. attorney Matthew Whitaker Feb. 12. "The indictment alleges that starting on July 26, 2000, and continuing to September 2007, Sueppel, formerly vice president and controller at Hills Bank & Trust in Johnson County, embezzled bank funds and subsequently conducted financial transactions to launder stolen funds," according to a statement posted on the U.S. Attorney's Office Web site. Sueppel allegedly stole nearly $560,000 during the seven-year span. Despite the allegations, Spies said that his client was admired throughout the Iowa City area. "Steve and his entire family were wildly loved and admired and respected in just about every circle you can imagine," he said. |
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Marley Some very strange things are popping
Marley up in the Sueppel case. My good friend Marley Baby Love Child has a new blog on the Marley case with commentary and lots of links Marley to news articles. *Wha's with Holt? *Dare I ask? http://www.babylovechild.org/ G Thanks, I thought the thing about how Holt Inc is G legally obligated by Korean law to encourage G adoptive families to respect the children's G existing religious customs, but in reality they G require adoptive families to be very Christian G and even push them to push that on the kids. BW There is a problem with respecting existing BW religious customs when you are dealing BW with children who are too young to have BW developed religious customs. It appears BW that this may be the case with these children. BW If a child is very young, 'upholding' would BW only apply to the religious preferences of BW the family, not the children. Betty, Holt has an ongoing pattern and practice of encouraging Christianity, even requiring it. That is true regardless of the child's age. It was described in the articles. BW I would be more concerned about BW how the children came to be adoptable. Of course. G The thing where Holt Inc said the kids had 4 G different mothers (here) but over there in Korea G said they could have all been siblings, that G revealed them to be liars. BW Possibly a mistake in records? Why two different stories then? Aren't "doctored records" extremely common when it comes to adoption for profit outfits? G The mystery about where all of the money went G is interesting, will that mystery be unfolded? BW In all liklihood no one would ever know what, BW exactly, happened to the money. BW Yes, that's a large sum of cash, but over BW so may years time it [could] have easily BW been spent on vacations, etc a little at a time. BW It's not as if he stole the money all in one large chunk. I think of money as much more traceable than you do. G In early news footage flames were not just coming out G of the cabin of the crashed van, they seemed to "jet" out. G At least one report indicated he had stopped at a gas station. G A fuel tank below a vehicle's floor usually doesn't make G massive jets shoot out of the cabin even in a bad wreck. G (It did not seem to be squashed like an accordian.) G G I suspect he bought jerry cans of gas to immolate himself. G Those flames jetted out like they came from INSIDE G the van, not from the gas can below the floor. G G People who fight Child Protective Services G commonly find such violations. *CPS actively G supports major changes of religion, G political views, etc. BW The mandate is to support the religion of the family. BW That, in no way, applies to AFTER adoption. BW It would make little sense to force adoptive parents to raise a child BW (especially a very young one) within a religion that is in direct conflict BW of their own. *Satanists vs Christians when a child is not old enough to BW have a religious preference of their own, it makes little difference. Sounds reasonable, except that the process starts long before there has been any Termination of Parental Rights, often in direct violation of stated policies and legislation. Comparing that back to the Holt policy, there is a duplicity (Lie) going on because Korea requires religion to be maintained, and Holt actually requires prospect parents to be Christian and strongly urges religious conversion. Somebody's telling lies somewhere! G The CPS nitwits actively set this up as G various kinds of "social engineering" even G though the foster incarceration is G supposed to be temporary. BW Can you provide links? I would not out a real family from a "support group". Ask Dan or Roberta, they groove on doing that. In one specific case, the Father was a Baptist Minister and vocally against gays. The kids were placed in a gay foster placement. A Missouri legislator got involved and the kids were quickly moved. BW *I would like to see cases where temporary foster BW care has included forced relgion of any kind, and 'social engineering'. Actually, Betty, that term came from literature inside of the Social Work/Child Protection industry I believe. You must be in denial then about the report on Womens Studies textbooks a few years back where the feminist auditors reported heavy anti-male commentary like referring to a Father as an outside or foreign element. Apparently it was an opportunity for the more mainstream moderate feminists to put the extremists in check through PR. G It's almost as bad as when they've had kids G photos on the state "adopt this kid" web site G when the parents rights have not been G terminated. BW I have looked at my own state's web site many BW times and never saw a child who was not free BW for adoption unless there were extenuatig BW circumstances in which termination was BW inevitable, such as when a parent is BW in carcerated long term. How would YOU know the parents were incarcerated? The adoption web sites never describe the circumstances of removal. Betty, This HAS taken place, but the agencies got so severely criticized for it and so widely that I bet that does not happen very much. On the other hand I have recently been in contact with some professionals who are even more certain because they have seen it time and time again that CPS workers and agencies violate policy severely and often. Some violations are routine and standard. BW I personally do not agree with adoptions outside BW an individual's own family, however, I do respect BW those who can adopt unrelated children and BW raise them as their own. One aspect of BW adoption that I absolutely do NOT agree with BW is secrecy. I believe that each adopted child BW has the right to know that they are adopted BW from as young as they are able to comprehend BW the idea, and that they have a right to the BW information regarding who their parents are, BW how they came to be adopted, etc. It's BW unfortunate that this adoption turned out BW as it did...not all adoptive parents are BW mentally ill and uacceptable as adopters. Are you saying that Steve Sueppel, working as a Bank VP would not have passed any manner of psychological testing? Banks and Insurance companies are heavily into phychological testing, by the way. Even if the adoption for profit outfits are not. Betty, I bet you covered your eyes when the Guatamalan adoption rackets hit the fan awhile back. "Greegor" wrote in message Adopted 4 from Korea Loved and respected in community But he stole half a Million dollars from bank he worked at When the indictments came down he killed his wife and all 4 kids, bought gas and torched himself in a burning car wreck. News media had "human interest story" footage from before it all hit the fan. http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4513309 Indicted Iowa Banker's Family Murdered Father Wanted by Police May Have Killed Himself in Single-Vehicle Highway Crash By DAVID SCHOETZ March 24, 2008 -- Five family members of an Iowa banker recently indicted on federal embezzlement and money laundering charges were found dead in their home today in Iowa City, Iowa. The victims included the man's wife and their four children. Police think the banker may have died a short time later in a fiery car crash on a nearby highway. The Iowa City Police Department said in a news release that officers went to the home of 42-year-old Steven Sueppel after receiving a 911 call at 6:31 a.m. from a cell phone. The unidentified caller directed authorities to the home, where the five bodies were found. "Responding officers found the house unlocked," according to the release. "Officers made entry out of concern for the safety of the occupants. Officers located five deceased persons, the adult female resident and four children." It's not yet clear exactly how the victims died. A spokesman for the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation confirmed to ABC News that the Iowa City Police Department had requested help processing evidence at a multiple homicide crime scene early this morning. Sueppel, who was indicted in February by the U.S. Attorney's Office in southern Iowa on embezzlement and laundering charges, was missing, as was the family's tan Toyota Sienna minivan. The Sueppel's vehicle was later involved in a fatal single-car crash along Interstate 80 in Iowa, Iowa City police announced this afternoon. "The vehicle's driver and sole occupant died in the fiery crash," according to police. The deceased driver's burns were so severe that he could not be identified immediately, police said. An autopsy is scheduled for Tuesday for the driver of the minivan as well as for the five Sueppel family members found dead inside the house. The Sueppel home is not far from the University of Iowa campus, which as a precaution issued a "Hawk Alert" this morning warning students to be on the lookout for "a white male in his mid-40s" who was involved in a shooting incident near the campus. Police have not confirmed whether a gun was used to kill the Sueppel family members. Leon Spies, Sueppel's Iowa City attorney, said that he had been in touch with the federal prosecutor's office this morning regarding the deaths. "The enormity of this tragedy is unimaginable," Spies said. Sueppel was set to go to trial in April to face federal embezzlement and money laundering charges, Spies said. Sueppel had pleaded not guilty to the charges, which were announced by U.S. attorney Matthew Whitaker Feb. 12. "The indictment alleges that starting on July 26, 2000, and continuing to September 2007, Sueppel, formerly vice president and controller at Hills Bank & Trust in Johnson County, embezzled bank funds and subsequently conducted financial transactions to launder stolen funds," according to a statement posted on the U.S. Attorney's Office Web site. Sueppel allegedly stole nearly $560,000 during the seven-year span. Despite the allegations, Spies said that his client was admired throughout the Iowa City area. "Steve and his entire family were wildly loved and admired and respected in just about every circle you can imagine," he said. |
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"Greegor" wrote in message ... G The thing where Holt Inc said the kids had 4 G different mothers (here) but over there in Korea G said they could have all been siblings, that G revealed them to be liars. BW Possibly a mistake in records? Why two different stories then? Aren't "doctored records" extremely common when it comes to adoption for profit outfits? Holt is nonprofit, but yes. You can never tell what's "true" in adoption records. That's one reason the adoption indutry wants to keep them sealed--though Holt supports records access for the obc. big cut BW I would like to see cases where temporary foster BW care has included forced relgion of any kind, and 'social engineering'. Actually, Betty, that term came from literature inside of the Social Work/Child Protection industry I believe.\\ Adoption as we know it today grew out of Progressive era ideas of social reform. It is very much linked to eugenics. Social engineering is a given and much has been written about it. Regina Kunzel's book, Fallen Women, Problem Girls is an excellent resource. big cut BW I have looked at my own state's web site many BW times and never saw a child who was not free BW for adoption unless there were extenuatig BW circumstances in which termination was BW inevitable, such as when a parent is BW in carcerated long term. How would YOU know the parents were incarcerated? The adoption web sites never describe the circumstances of removal. Betty, This HAS taken place, but the agencies got so severely criticized for it and so widely that I bet that does not happen very much. When I attended the National Council for Adoption (I know!) conference last year, Heidi Cox from Gladney talked about picking up baybees from incarcerated women, especially Hispanic women in county jails who would be going up the river. (So much for their Grade A designer white baybees!) Current welfare practice makes it very difficult for women in jail to preserve their families. If the parents aren't married, and there is no maternal family support, the father most likely will not get custody and the kid is put into the adoption mill. Marley |
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MG Holt is nonprofit,
Which is really a taxation status. Management in non-profit companies generally siphon off funds to maintain that status. Too many people mistake that tax status for humanitarian ideals or "charity" and ignore the huge salaries in upper management. It's a racket. BW I would like to see cases where temporary BW foster care has included forced relgion of BW any kind, and 'social engineering'. G Actually, Betty, that term came from G literature inside of the Social Work/ G Child Protection industry I believe. MG Adoption as we know it today*grew MG out of Progressive *era ideas of social MG reform. *It is very much linked to MG eugenics. *Social engineering is a given MG and much has been written about it. MG Regina Kunzel's book, Fallen Women, MG Problem Girls is an excellent resource. BW I have looked at my own state's web site many BW times and never saw a child who was not free BW for adoption unless there were extenuatig BW circumstances in which termination was BW inevitable, such as when a parent is BW in carcerated long term. G How would YOU know the parents were G incarcerated? The adoption web sites G never describe the circumstances of removal. G G Betty, This HAS taken place, but the G agencies got so severely criticized for G it and so widely that I bet that does G not happen very much. MG When I attended the National Council MG for Adoption (I know!) conference last year, MG Heidi Cox from Gladney talked about MG picking up baybees from incarcerated MG women, especially Hispanic women in MG county jails who would be going up the MG river. (So much for their Grade A designer MG white baybees!) Current welfare practice MG makes it very difficult for women in jail to MG preserve their families. *If the parents MG aren't married, and there is no maternal MG family support, the father most likely will MG not get custody and the kid is put into MG the adoption mill. I can hardly wait to see Betty's comments on that! LOL Steve Sueppel's apparently bogus assertion of a Cocaine habit was a cover for something. I've got to wonder if some of the 590 K Went to somebody connected with Holt, Inc. directly or indirectly? |
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"Marley Greiner" wrote in message ... "Greegor" wrote in message ... G The thing where Holt Inc said the kids had 4 G different mothers (here) but over there in Korea G said they could have all been siblings, that G revealed them to be liars. BW Possibly a mistake in records? Why two different stories then? Aren't "doctored records" extremely common when it comes to adoption for profit outfits? Holt is nonprofit, but yes. You can never tell what's "true" in adoption records. That's one reason the adoption indutry wants to keep them sealed--though Holt supports records access for the obc. Well, that's absolutely the truth...you can't tell what is true and what is not in adoption records. I've known of people who received their records to find out so many things that were completely false...though their records were social service records from foster care prior to adoption, and then adoption through states. I often wonder what my grandson will find in his DFS records once he is old enough to obtain them...if the state will even let him have them at all. big cut BW I would like to see cases where temporary foster BW care has included forced relgion of any kind, and 'social engineering'. Actually, Betty, that term came from literature inside of the Social Work/Child Protection industry I believe.\\ Adoption as we know it today grew out of Progressive era ideas of social reform. It is very much linked to eugenics. Social engineering is a given and much has been written about it. Regina Kunzel's book, Fallen Women, Problem Girls is an excellent resource. big cut BW I have looked at my own state's web site many BW times and never saw a child who was not free BW for adoption unless there were extenuatig BW circumstances in which termination was BW inevitable, such as when a parent is BW in carcerated long term. How would YOU know the parents were incarcerated? The adoption web sites never describe the circumstances of removal. Betty, This HAS taken place, but the agencies got so severely criticized for it and so widely that I bet that does not happen very much. My children often attended school with children in group homes and i foster care who were 'soon to be' eliible for adoption. Father unknowns and incarcerated mothers who were quickly coming to their twelve month deadline and no progress in their cases. My state's laws on termination are spelled out very clearly...once a removal occurs the parents/s have 12 months to comply with DFS directives or termination process begins. I think that this was the only bad statute in the DJMFCA. When I attended the National Council for Adoption (I know!) conference last year, Heidi Cox from Gladney talked about picking up baybees from incarcerated women, especially Hispanic women in county jails who would be going up the river. (So much for their Grade A designer white baybees!) Current welfare practice makes it very difficult for women in jail to preserve their families. If the parents aren't married, and there is no maternal family support, the father most likely will not get custody and the kid is put into the adoption mill. It's also pretty hard for a father to prove that he is the father of a child. I've heard it said many times that in my state, when a child is placed in foster care the hunt for the father begins (in cases where there is no legal father). Once a 'potential' is located they are asked to willingly give a DNA sample. I they refuse then the courts issue an order. Time is crucial in this because *if* the father willily submits to DNA testing with the hope that they will be able to establish paternity and get custody, they have little hope if their test comes back beyond six months from the date the child is placed in care. This is because the state will recommend that a child remain in a home in which they have been deemed to have bonded and six months with a family seems to be the 'magic time frame'. Even if a father beats that six month deadline (which is hard to do because when the state pays for DNA testing it is a long process) they may not be able to get custody, or even placement, because once a child is in state care the standards go up considerably, along with demands. It's not a simple matter of 'ok, I'm the father and I'm also the non offending parent, so give me my child'. And really...it should be. Fathers are simply added to the case and have the same requirements of them as if they were abusive or neglectful and their actions led to the placement. It's really quite unfair. There are actually many things that I find quite wrong with social services in adoption. In fact, the man who was supposed to have adopted my grandson almost got screwed royally by social services, so this is a case that I know of first hand. He was named by DFS as a 'potential' father for the child. We wanted the child placed with this man and his wife. The state did not want to place him with this family. Various reasons...all pretty trivial IMHO (the reasons that I was given, I know not what other reasons they may have had) so DFS demanded that before they would place my grandson with this family the man would provide a DNA test showing he was NOT the father. The catch? DNA tests thrugh DFS take up to three months to get back, and I was advised that for the child to remain in care for that amount of time would initiate a petition for him to remain in the foster placement citing 'having bonded' with the foster family. I solved that problem by paying for a private agency to do the testing on my own dime and had the results back in one week. The adoption fell through, and three years later DFS placed him on the new father's registry, even though he was proven NOT to be the father of the child. When I received notice of this I immediately called the man's wife and asked her if they had received same notice. She said no. I advised her to get an attorney immediately because his parental rights to my grandson were going to be terminated by the state. She didn't find that distressing at all until I explained to her that forced termination by the state made one legally unfit to parent, and that if his rights were terminated that could cause him to lose custody of his own bio children as well as end the current adoption process they were going through with their own granchild. I explained to her that I was not, in any way, saying that this is what would happen, but that the forced termination certaily made it a possibility and that he needed to get an attorney to respond to his name being placed on the registry for termination of rights. Now why? Do tell, why was it necessary for this man, who proved that he was not the bio parent of this child, to be placed on this registry and his non existent rights terminated without even so much as a letter to him saying so? Had this all gone through and later he had his own children removed from his care and was denied adoption of his granchild this would have been completely WRONG. The series of events should have never played out this way and are indicative of all the possible things that can go wrong with adoption, social services, and laws governing social services and adoption through the state. Marley |
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On Apr 7, 7:27*am, "dragonsgirl" wrote:
"Marley Greiner" wrote in message ... "Greegor" wrote in message ... G The thing where Holt Inc said the kids had 4 G different mothers (here) but over there in Korea G said they could have all been siblings, that G revealed them to be liars. BW Possibly a mistake in records? Why two different stories then? Aren't "doctored records" extremely common when it comes to adoption for profit outfits? Holt is nonprofit, but yes. *You can never tell what's "true" in adoption records. *That's one reason the adoption indutry wants to keep them sealed--though Holt supports records access for the obc. Well, that's absolutely the truth...you can't tell what is true and what is not in adoption records. I've known of people who received their records to find out so many things that were completely false...though their records were social service records from foster care prior to adoption, and then adoption through states. I often wonder what my grandson will find in his DFS records once he is old enough to obtain them...if the state will even let him have them at all. big cut BW I would like to see cases where temporary foster BW care has included forced relgion of any kind, and 'social engineering'. Actually, Betty, that term came from literature inside of the Social Work/Child Protection industry I believe.\\ Adoption as we know it today *grew out of Progressive *era ideas of social reform. *It is very much linked to eugenics. *Social engineering is a given and much has been written about it. Regina Kunzel's book, Fallen Women, Problem Girls is an excellent resource. big cut BW I have looked at my own state's web site many BW times and never saw a child who was not free BW for adoption unless there were extenuatig BW circumstances in which termination was BW inevitable, such as when a parent is BW in carcerated long term. How would YOU know the parents were incarcerated? The adoption web sites never describe the circumstances of removal. Betty, This HAS taken place, but the agencies got so severely criticized for it and so widely that I bet that does not happen very much. My children often attended school with children in group homes and i foster care who were 'soon to be' eliible for adoption. *Father unknowns and incarcerated mothers who were quickly coming to their twelve month deadline and no progress in their cases. My state's laws on termination are spelled out very clearly...once a removal occurs the parents/s have 12 months to comply with DFS directives or termination process begins. *I think that this was the only bad statute in the DJMFCA. When I attended the National Council for Adoption (I know!) conference last year, Heidi Cox from Gladney talked about picking up baybees from incarcerated women, especially Hispanic women in county jails who would be going up the river. (So much for their Grade A designer white baybees!) Current welfare practice makes it very difficult for women in jail to preserve their families. *If the parents aren't married, and there is no maternal family support, the father most likely will not get custody and the kid is put into the adoption mill. It's also pretty hard for a father to prove that he is the father of a child. I've heard it said many times that in my state, when a child is placed in foster care the hunt for the father begins (in cases where there is no legal father). *Once a 'potential' is located they are asked to willingly give a DNA sample. *I they refuse then the courts issue an order. Time is crucial in this because *if* the father willily submits to DNA testing with the hope that they will be able to establish paternity and get custody, they have little hope if their test comes back beyond six months from the date the child is placed in care. This is because the state will recommend that a child remain in a home in which they have been deemed to have bonded and six months with a family seems to be the 'magic time frame'. Even if a father beats that six month deadline (which is hard to do because when the state pays for DNA testing it is a long process) they may not be able to get custody, or even placement, because once a child is in state care the standards go up considerably, along with demands. *It's not a simple matter of *'ok, I'm the father and I'm also the non offending parent, so give me my child'. *And really...it should be. *Fathers are simply added to the case and have the same requirements of them as if they were abusive or neglectful and their actions led to the placement. It's really quite unfair. There are actually many things that I find quite wrong with social services in adoption. * *In fact, the man who was supposed to have adopted my grandson almost got screwed royally by social services, so this is a case that I know of first hand. *He was named by DFS as a 'potential' father for the child. *We wanted the child placed with this man and his wife. *The state did not want to place him with this family. *Various reasons...all pretty trivial IMHO (the reasons that I was given, I know not what other reasons they may have had) so DFS demanded that before they would place my grandson with this family the man would provide a DNA test showing he was NOT the father. *The catch? *DNA tests thrugh DFS take up to three months to get back, and I was advised that for the child to remain in care for that amount of time would initiate a petition for him to remain in the foster placement citing 'having bonded' with the foster family. * I solved that problem by paying for a private agency to do the testing on my own dime and had the results back in one week. *The adoption fell through, and three years later DFS placed him on the new father's registry, even though he was proven NOT to be the father of the child. When I received notice of this I immediately called the man's wife and asked her if they had received same notice. *She said no. *I advised her to get an attorney immediately because his parental rights to my grandson were going to be terminated by the state. *She didn't find that distressing at all until I explained to her that forced termination by the state made one legally unfit to parent, and that if his rights were terminated that could cause him to lose custody of his own bio children as well as end the current adoption process they were going through with their own granchild. *I explained to her that I was not, in any way, saying that this is what would happen, but that the forced termination certaily made it a possibility and that he needed to get an attorney to respond to his name being placed on the registry for termination of rights. Now why? *Do tell, why was it necessary for this man, who proved that he was not the bio parent of this child, to be placed on this registry and his non existent rights terminated without even so much as a letter to him saying so? Had this all gone through and later he had his own children removed from his care and was denied adoption of his granchild this would have been completely WRONG. *The series of events should have never played out this way and are indicative of all the possible things that can go wrong with adoption, social services, and laws governing social services and adoption through the state. Betty flipped from "the state can do no wrong" mode to "CPS is all screwed up" mode again. She learned that from Dan Sullivan. Cedar Rapids and Iowa City had 8 teenagers ranging from 14 to 17 who apparently all ran away at the same time. The missing persons site has no pictures. Since they're runaways they don't qualify for Amber Alert. It's getting bare minimum news coverage. |
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"Greegor" wrote in message ... On Apr 7, 7:27 am, "dragonsgirl" wrote: "Marley Greiner" wrote in message ... "Greegor" wrote in message ... G The thing where Holt Inc said the kids had 4 G different mothers (here) but over there in Korea G said they could have all been siblings, that G revealed them to be liars. BW Possibly a mistake in records? Why two different stories then? Aren't "doctored records" extremely common when it comes to adoption for profit outfits? Holt is nonprofit, but yes. You can never tell what's "true" in adoption records. That's one reason the adoption indutry wants to keep them sealed--though Holt supports records access for the obc. Well, that's absolutely the truth...you can't tell what is true and what is not in adoption records. I've known of people who received their records to find out so many things that were completely false...though their records were social service records from foster care prior to adoption, and then adoption through states. I often wonder what my grandson will find in his DFS records once he is old enough to obtain them...if the state will even let him have them at all. big cut BW I would like to see cases where temporary foster BW care has included forced relgion of any kind, and 'social engineering'. Actually, Betty, that term came from literature inside of the Social Work/Child Protection industry I believe.\\ Adoption as we know it today grew out of Progressive era ideas of social reform. It is very much linked to eugenics. Social engineering is a given and much has been written about it. Regina Kunzel's book, Fallen Women, Problem Girls is an excellent resource. big cut BW I have looked at my own state's web site many BW times and never saw a child who was not free BW for adoption unless there were extenuatig BW circumstances in which termination was BW inevitable, such as when a parent is BW in carcerated long term. How would YOU know the parents were incarcerated? The adoption web sites never describe the circumstances of removal. Betty, This HAS taken place, but the agencies got so severely criticized for it and so widely that I bet that does not happen very much. My children often attended school with children in group homes and i foster care who were 'soon to be' eliible for adoption. Father unknowns and incarcerated mothers who were quickly coming to their twelve month deadline and no progress in their cases. My state's laws on termination are spelled out very clearly...once a removal occurs the parents/s have 12 months to comply with DFS directives or termination process begins. I think that this was the only bad statute in the DJMFCA. When I attended the National Council for Adoption (I know!) conference last year, Heidi Cox from Gladney talked about picking up baybees from incarcerated women, especially Hispanic women in county jails who would be going up the river. (So much for their Grade A designer white baybees!) Current welfare practice makes it very difficult for women in jail to preserve their families. If the parents aren't married, and there is no maternal family support, the father most likely will not get custody and the kid is put into the adoption mill. It's also pretty hard for a father to prove that he is the father of a child. I've heard it said many times that in my state, when a child is placed in foster care the hunt for the father begins (in cases where there is no legal father). Once a 'potential' is located they are asked to willingly give a DNA sample. I they refuse then the courts issue an order. Time is crucial in this because *if* the father willily submits to DNA testing with the hope that they will be able to establish paternity and get custody, they have little hope if their test comes back beyond six months from the date the child is placed in care. This is because the state will recommend that a child remain in a home in which they have been deemed to have bonded and six months with a family seems to be the 'magic time frame'. Even if a father beats that six month deadline (which is hard to do because when the state pays for DNA testing it is a long process) they may not be able to get custody, or even placement, because once a child is in state care the standards go up considerably, along with demands. It's not a simple matter of 'ok, I'm the father and I'm also the non offending parent, so give me my child'. And really...it should be. Fathers are simply added to the case and have the same requirements of them as if they were abusive or neglectful and their actions led to the placement. It's really quite unfair. There are actually many things that I find quite wrong with social services in adoption. In fact, the man who was supposed to have adopted my grandson almost got screwed royally by social services, so this is a case that I know of first hand. He was named by DFS as a 'potential' father for the child. We wanted the child placed with this man and his wife. The state did not want to place him with this family. Various reasons...all pretty trivial IMHO (the reasons that I was given, I know not what other reasons they may have had) so DFS demanded that before they would place my grandson with this family the man would provide a DNA test showing he was NOT the father. The catch? DNA tests thrugh DFS take up to three months to get back, and I was advised that for the child to remain in care for that amount of time would initiate a petition for him to remain in the foster placement citing 'having bonded' with the foster family. I solved that problem by paying for a private agency to do the testing on my own dime and had the results back in one week. The adoption fell through, and three years later DFS placed him on the new father's registry, even though he was proven NOT to be the father of the child. When I received notice of this I immediately called the man's wife and asked her if they had received same notice. She said no. I advised her to get an attorney immediately because his parental rights to my grandson were going to be terminated by the state. She didn't find that distressing at all until I explained to her that forced termination by the state made one legally unfit to parent, and that if his rights were terminated that could cause him to lose custody of his own bio children as well as end the current adoption process they were going through with their own granchild. I explained to her that I was not, in any way, saying that this is what would happen, but that the forced termination certaily made it a possibility and that he needed to get an attorney to respond to his name being placed on the registry for termination of rights. Now why? Do tell, why was it necessary for this man, who proved that he was not the bio parent of this child, to be placed on this registry and his non existent rights terminated without even so much as a letter to him saying so? Had this all gone through and later he had his own children removed from his care and was denied adoption of his granchild this would have been completely WRONG. The series of events should have never played out this way and are indicative of all the possible things that can go wrong with adoption, social services, and laws governing social services and adoption through the state. Betty flipped from "the state can do no wrong" mode to "CPS is all screwed up" mode again. ***Greg, I'm really sorry that I can keep my opinions HONEST and not let my own feelings stand in the way of citing truth and you cannot. Modes isn't what I have 'flipped'. If you get my drift. She learned that from Dan Sullivan. Cedar Rapids and Iowa City had 8 teenagers ranging from 14 to 17 who apparently all ran away at the same time. The missing persons site has no pictures. Since they're runaways they don't qualify for Amber Alert. It's getting bare minimum news coverage. |
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