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Old August 5th 08, 04:01 PM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.parenting.spanking
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Child's death 'work of the devil'

A 7-year-old girl becomes Toronto's 39th homicide of the year

Aug 04, 2008 09:45 AM

Joanna Smith
Staff Reporter

Beverley Walker wiped away tears as she spoke about the heartbreak her
long-time friend Bernice Sampson experienced yesterday after learning
her 7-year-old daughter had been killed.

"I'm sorry for Bernice," the 56-year-old woman said while sitting in a
coffee shop in the Queen St. W. and Lansdowne Ave. area with a group
of close friends.

"She's not going to make it. She's gone. She was having a hard time
already. She didn't want to give her up in the first place."

As she spoke, Walker spotted Sampson with a friend stumbling along the
sidewalk outside, clutching a school photograph of her chubby-faced
daughter Katelynn Sampson, who earlier in the morning had become
Toronto's 39th homicide victim of the year.

Walker ran outside to meet her and the grieving mother collapsed into
her arms.

About an hour earlier, Sampson had screamed and hurled herself at the
front door of a highrise apartment building at 105 West Lodge Ave.
where her daughter had been found dead. Her weeping friends had pulled
her into a car and tried to calm her.

Katelynn had been pronounced dead in a second-floor apartment shortly
after Toronto EMS responded to a 911 call made around 2:30 a.m.
regarding a young girl who had stopped breathing while choking on
food.

The paramedic realized quickly that the girl "had been dead for quite
some time" and that her body showed "obvious signs of trauma" that
contradicted the story, Toronto homicide Det. Sgt. Steve Ryan said at
a press conference at police headquarters yesterday.

"She clearly had not choked," Ryan said. "I can't get into specifics,
just that she was assaulted around her entire body."

Ryan, describing the scene, said, "It's the work of the devil. That's
what it is."

Police arrested Donna Irving, 29, who had called 911 and was alone in
the apartment with the victim at the time, and charged her with
second-degree murder. She is scheduled to appear in court today.


Irving was coherent as she was arrested and has no history of mental
illness, Ryan said. She had been granted sole custody of Katelynn in
January but Ryan could not confirm how or why.

He said Irving was living with her boyfriend who Bernice Sampson
identified as her friend Warren Johnson and their two biological
sons who were not harmed and are with their father. The father has
been co-operative with police and is not a suspect, Ryan said.

Irving has two other underage children who do not live with her, he
said.
[. . .]


Only flamingly incompetent and/or ignorant and/or
immature parents, cowards and perverts deliberately
cause children pain in the name of "discipline."

People who can't raise children without hurting them
should be closely monitored by child-care authorities
or lose custody of them altogether.

Assholes who are unable to control a child's behaviour
without violence -- something billions of people ARE
able to do -- have no business caring for children.

I say that not only as an advocate for children's
rights and welfare, but as a FATHER who managed
to raise three great kids without ever laying a
punitive hand on them.

I'm not Dr. Spock. If I can do it, so can you.

Unless, of course, you are one of those
above-mentioned incompetents, fools, immature parents,
cowards, perverts or assholes.



















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Old August 6th 08, 12:25 AM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.parenting.spanking
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"Ivan Gowch" wrote in message
...
Child's death 'work of the devil'

A 7-year-old girl becomes Toronto's 39th homicide of the year

Aug 04, 2008 09:45 AM

Joanna Smith
Staff Reporter

Beverley Walker wiped away tears as she spoke about the heartbreak her
long-time friend Bernice Sampson experienced yesterday after learning
her 7-year-old daughter had been killed.

"I'm sorry for Bernice," the 56-year-old woman said while sitting in a
coffee shop in the Queen St. W. and Lansdowne Ave. area with a group
of close friends.

"She's not going to make it. She's gone. She was having a hard time
already. She didn't want to give her up in the first place."

As she spoke, Walker spotted Sampson with a friend stumbling along the
sidewalk outside, clutching a school photograph of her chubby-faced
daughter Katelynn Sampson, who earlier in the morning had become
Toronto's 39th homicide victim of the year.

Walker ran outside to meet her and the grieving mother collapsed into
her arms.

About an hour earlier, Sampson had screamed and hurled herself at the
front door of a highrise apartment building at 105 West Lodge Ave.
where her daughter had been found dead. Her weeping friends had pulled
her into a car and tried to calm her.

Katelynn had been pronounced dead in a second-floor apartment shortly
after Toronto EMS responded to a 911 call made around 2:30 a.m.
regarding a young girl who had stopped breathing while choking on
food.

The paramedic realized quickly that the girl "had been dead for quite
some time" and that her body showed "obvious signs of trauma" that
contradicted the story, Toronto homicide Det. Sgt. Steve Ryan said at
a press conference at police headquarters yesterday.

"She clearly had not choked," Ryan said. "I can't get into specifics,
just that she was assaulted around her entire body."

Ryan, describing the scene, said, "It's the work of the devil. That's
what it is."

Police arrested Donna Irving, 29, who had called 911 and was alone in
the apartment with the victim at the time, and charged her with
second-degree murder. She is scheduled to appear in court today.


Irving was coherent as she was arrested and has no history of mental
illness, Ryan said. She had been granted sole custody of Katelynn in
January but Ryan could not confirm how or why.

He said Irving was living with her boyfriend - who Bernice Sampson
identified as her friend Warren Johnson - and their two biological
sons who were not harmed and are with their father. The father has
been co-operative with police and is not a suspect, Ryan said.

Irving has two other underage children who do not live with her, he
said.
[. . .]


Only flamingly incompetent and/or ignorant and/or
immature parents, cowards and perverts deliberately
cause children pain in the name of "discipline."

People who can't raise children without hurting them
should be closely monitored by child-care authorities
or lose custody of them altogether.

Assholes who are unable to control a child's behaviour
without violence -- something billions of people ARE
able to do -- have no business caring for children.

I say that not only as an advocate for children's
rights and welfare, but as a FATHER who managed
to raise three great kids without ever laying a
punitive hand on them.

I'm not Dr. Spock. If I can do it, so can you.

Unless, of course, you are one of those
above-mentioned incompetents, fools, immature parents,
cowards, perverts or assholes.


1. This was not a case of discipline gone wrong, its a case of abuse.
Child abuse. Learn the difference.

2. Spastic advocacy is not going to help your cause. Moderate your
personal feelings with common sense and wise words.

3. You have raised 3 kids. Congrats. I have raised 235. I'm not Dr.
Spock either, he's an idiot, one that has caused more damage to the family
structure and our society than the entire CPS system. I use CP when its
appropriate, but never on the foster children in my home. I dont throw away
a tool just because some moron out there does not like it, THAT would be
foolish.

Ron


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Old August 6th 08, 08:17 PM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.parenting.spanking
Ivan Gowch
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On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 18:25:37 -0500, "Ron"
wrote:

== Child's death 'work of the devil'
==
== A 7-year-old girl becomes Toronto's 39th homicide of the year
==
== Aug 04, 2008 09:45 AM
==
== Joanna Smith
== Staff Reporter
==
== Beverley Walker wiped away tears as she spoke about the heartbreak her
== long-time friend Bernice Sampson experienced yesterday after learning
== her 7-year-old daughter had been killed.
==
== "I'm sorry for Bernice," the 56-year-old woman said while sitting in a
== coffee shop in the Queen St. W. and Lansdowne Ave. area with a group
== of close friends.
==
== "She's not going to make it. She's gone. She was having a hard time
== already. She didn't want to give her up in the first place."
==
== As she spoke, Walker spotted Sampson with a friend stumbling along the
== sidewalk outside, clutching a school photograph of her chubby-faced
== daughter Katelynn Sampson, who earlier in the morning had become
== Toronto's 39th homicide victim of the year.
==
== Walker ran outside to meet her and the grieving mother collapsed into
== her arms.
==
== About an hour earlier, Sampson had screamed and hurled herself at the
== front door of a highrise apartment building at 105 West Lodge Ave.
== where her daughter had been found dead. Her weeping friends had pulled
== her into a car and tried to calm her.
==
== Katelynn had been pronounced dead in a second-floor apartment shortly
== after Toronto EMS responded to a 911 call made around 2:30 a.m.
== regarding a young girl who had stopped breathing while choking on
== food.
==
== The paramedic realized quickly that the girl "had been dead for quite
== some time" and that her body showed "obvious signs of trauma" that
== contradicted the story, Toronto homicide Det. Sgt. Steve Ryan said at
== a press conference at police headquarters yesterday.
[...]

==1. This was not a case of discipline gone wrong, its a case of abuse.
==Child abuse. Learn the difference.

Bull****. There is no difference between deliberately
causing a child pain in the name of discipline and
abuse, except in the minds of assholes who want
to excuse the damage they do to the children in their
care.

If I should decide to administer multiple blows to
some part of your anatomy, Ronnie, you sure as
hell would consider it abuse, you hypocritical sicko.

==2. Spastic advocacy is not going to help your cause. Moderate your
==personal feelings with common sense and wise words.

I don't take advice from douchebag apologists for
child abuse.

==3. You have raised 3 kids. Congrats. I have raised 235.

Sure you have.

==I'm not Dr.
==Spock either, he's an idiot,

Dr. Benjamin Spock is the most renowned name in
the science of baby and child care, and you are a
douchebag apologist for child-beating.
Gee, I wonder who has more credibility?

==I use CP when its
==appropriate,

What you mean is, you hurt children when doing so
will make YOU feel good. You are apparently a sadist
and an incompetent care-giver and I hope someone is
watching you carefully.

Clearly, you are a danger to any child unfortunate
enough to be within your foul reach.



















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Old August 7th 08, 08:22 AM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.parenting.spanking
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"Ivan Gowch" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 18:25:37 -0500, "Ron"
wrote:

== Child's death 'work of the devil'
==
== A 7-year-old girl becomes Toronto's 39th homicide of the year
==
== Aug 04, 2008 09:45 AM
==
== Joanna Smith
== Staff Reporter
==
== Beverley Walker wiped away tears as she spoke about the heartbreak
her
== long-time friend Bernice Sampson experienced yesterday after learning
== her 7-year-old daughter had been killed.
==
== "I'm sorry for Bernice," the 56-year-old woman said while sitting in
a
== coffee shop in the Queen St. W. and Lansdowne Ave. area with a group
== of close friends.
==
== "She's not going to make it. She's gone. She was having a hard time
== already. She didn't want to give her up in the first place."
==
== As she spoke, Walker spotted Sampson with a friend stumbling along
the
== sidewalk outside, clutching a school photograph of her chubby-faced
== daughter Katelynn Sampson, who earlier in the morning had become
== Toronto's 39th homicide victim of the year.
==
== Walker ran outside to meet her and the grieving mother collapsed into
== her arms.
==
== About an hour earlier, Sampson had screamed and hurled herself at the
== front door of a highrise apartment building at 105 West Lodge Ave.
== where her daughter had been found dead. Her weeping friends had
pulled
== her into a car and tried to calm her.
==
== Katelynn had been pronounced dead in a second-floor apartment shortly
== after Toronto EMS responded to a 911 call made around 2:30 a.m.
== regarding a young girl who had stopped breathing while choking on
== food.
==
== The paramedic realized quickly that the girl "had been dead for quite
== some time" and that her body showed "obvious signs of trauma" that
== contradicted the story, Toronto homicide Det. Sgt. Steve Ryan said at
== a press conference at police headquarters yesterday.
[...]

==1. This was not a case of discipline gone wrong, its a case of abuse.
==Child abuse. Learn the difference.

Bull****. There is no difference between deliberately
causing a child pain in the name of discipline and
abuse, except in the minds of assholes who want
to excuse the damage they do to the children in their
care.


Nice opinion, now prove your point.


If I should decide to administer multiple blows to
some part of your anatomy, Ronnie, you sure as
hell would consider it abuse, you hypocritical sicko.


Not likely. First you would have to have a reason, and second you would
have to prove that it is a better form of correction than others that are
used for the same problem. Ivan, I am an advocate for CP for all ages.
Read Heinleins Star Ship Troopers for more info.


==2. Spastic advocacy is not going to help your cause. Moderate your
==personal feelings with common sense and wise words.

I don't take advice from douchebag apologists for
child abuse.


You should take advice from someone, your current tact is less than
effective and only serves to make you look like some form of spastic idiot
with an agenda that you cannot credibility support.


==3. You have raised 3 kids. Congrats. I have raised 235.

Sure you have.

==I'm not Dr.
==Spock either, he's an idiot,

Dr. Benjamin Spock is the most renowned name in
the science of baby and child care, and you are a
douchebag apologist for child-beating.
Gee, I wonder who has more credibility?

==I use CP when its
==appropriate,

What you mean is, you hurt children when doing so
will make YOU feel good. You are apparently a sadist
and an incompetent care-giver and I hope someone is
watching you carefully.


Another nice opinion, supported with rhetoric and no facts. Not all that
unexpected really, but certainly as foolish as the rest of your statements.
Congratulations, you have tripped over the edge into fanaticism.


Clearly, you are a danger to any child unfortunate
enough to be within your foul reach.


Better myself than someone like you. My children learn that there are
consequences for their actions, and I dont wait until society imposes those
consequences for them to learn the lesson. You advocate for non-CP
parenting, ok, and therefore you must also advocate for psychological
parenting. This form of parenting is a direct cause of our societies ills,
rampant teen crime, growing child abuse rates, a general failure to accept
responsibility for one's own actions, all of it. Again congratulations, you
are one of the reasons that our society is coming apart at the seams.

Ron


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Old August 7th 08, 10:16 AM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.parenting.spanking
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On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 03:22:41 -0400, Ron
wrote:

"Ivan Gowch" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 18:25:37 -0500, "Ron"
wrote:

== Child's death 'work of the devil'
==
== A 7-year-old girl becomes Toronto's 39th homicide of the year
==
== Aug 04, 2008 09:45 AM
==
== Joanna Smith
== Staff Reporter
==
== Beverley Walker wiped away tears as she spoke about the heartbreak
her
== long-time friend Bernice Sampson experienced yesterday after
learning
== her 7-year-old daughter had been killed.
==
== "I'm sorry for Bernice," the 56-year-old woman said while sitting
in
a
== coffee shop in the Queen St. W. and Lansdowne Ave. area with a
group
== of close friends.
==
== "She's not going to make it. She's gone. She was having a hard time
== already. She didn't want to give her up in the first place."
==
== As she spoke, Walker spotted Sampson with a friend stumbling along
the
== sidewalk outside, clutching a school photograph of her chubby-faced
== daughter Katelynn Sampson, who earlier in the morning had become
== Toronto's 39th homicide victim of the year.
==
== Walker ran outside to meet her and the grieving mother collapsed
into
== her arms.
==
== About an hour earlier, Sampson had screamed and hurled herself at
the
== front door of a highrise apartment building at 105 West Lodge Ave.
== where her daughter had been found dead. Her weeping friends had
pulled
== her into a car and tried to calm her.
==
== Katelynn had been pronounced dead in a second-floor apartment
shortly
== after Toronto EMS responded to a 911 call made around 2:30 a.m.
== regarding a young girl who had stopped breathing while choking on
== food.
==
== The paramedic realized quickly that the girl "had been dead for
quite
== some time" and that her body showed "obvious signs of trauma" that
== contradicted the story, Toronto homicide Det. Sgt. Steve Ryan said
at
== a press conference at police headquarters yesterday.
[...]

==1. This was not a case of discipline gone wrong, its a case of
abuse.
==Child abuse. Learn the difference.

Bull****. There is no difference between deliberately
causing a child pain in the name of discipline and
abuse, except in the minds of assholes who want
to excuse the damage they do to the children in their
care.


Nice opinion, now prove your point.


If I should decide to administer multiple blows to
some part of your anatomy, Ronnie, you sure as
hell would consider it abuse, you hypocritical sicko.


Not likely. First you would have to have a reason, and second you would
have to prove that it is a better form of correction than others that are
used for the same problem. Ivan, I am an advocate for CP for all ages.
Read Heinleins Star Ship Troopers for more info.


Info on what - warmongering racist fascism as a childrearing technique?
Do you ever even ponder the depths of your stupidity?
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Old August 7th 08, 07:23 PM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.parenting.spanking
Ivan Gowch
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On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 02:22:41 -0500, "Ron"
wrote:

[snip]

IG:
== If I should decide to administer multiple blows to
== some part of your anatomy, Ronnie, you sure as
== hell would consider it abuse, you hypocritical sicko.

==Not likely. First you would have to have a reason, and second you would
==have to prove that it is a better form of correction than others that are
==used for the same problem.

Sure. You would, of course, thank me for
smacking you silly.

== Ivan, I am an advocate for CP for all ages.

Aaah, so I was right -- you ARE a sexual deviate
with a jones for inflicting pain.

'Nuff said. Your opinions on raising children
are obviously as twisted as you are, and therefore
irrelevant.

Discussion over, sicko. Go play with yourself.

--
Spankings do for a child's development what fistfights between spouses
do for a marriage. -PTAVE

















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Old August 7th 08, 09:39 PM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.parenting.spanking
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"Ivan Gowch" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 02:22:41 -0500, "Ron"
wrote:

[snip]

IG:
== If I should decide to administer multiple blows to
== some part of your anatomy, Ronnie, you sure as
== hell would consider it abuse, you hypocritical sicko.

==Not likely. First you would have to have a reason, and second you
would
==have to prove that it is a better form of correction than others that
are
==used for the same problem.

Sure. You would, of course, thank me for
smacking you silly.

== Ivan, I am an advocate for CP for all ages.

Aaah, so I was right -- you ARE a sexual deviate
with a jones for inflicting pain.

'Nuff said. Your opinions on raising children
are obviously as twisted as you are, and therefore
irrelevant.

Discussion over, sicko. Go play with yourself.


Just who do you think this type of advocation is helping ivan? Certainly
not children, abused or otherwise. I mean gee, you cant even understand how
much of a dork you are making yourself appear to be, much less the
difference between CP and abuse. Your understanding of things sexual also
seems to have severe limits, just how do you function in your society
anyway? Do you just bumble from one disaster to another, hoping that
somehow it will all work out in the end in your favor no matter how much
your inept attempts to help tend to screw things up?

Honestly dude, you really need to educate yourself on a subject before you
come into a Usenet newsgroup and start spouting your own personal version of
the party line. Here we chew up and discard ignorant little savages like
yourself on a weekly basis. Read a book, find some articles on the
internet, talk to your psychologist, do something to educate yourself on the
subject. Come back when you have SOME knowledge, and please leave your
deviant sexual history out of the newsgroup. I don't care to hear about
your "belief's", come back with facts or don't come back at all. And
please, leave your skewed idea of normal or abnormal sexual behavior in your
locker, it only makes you look really stupid.

Ron


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Old August 7th 08, 11:13 PM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.parenting.spanking
Ivan Gowch
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On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:39:10 -0500, "Ron"
wrote:

[snip]

R:
== Ivan, I am an advocate for CP for all ages.

IG:
== Aaah, so I was right -- you ARE a sexual deviate
== with a jones for inflicting pain.
== 'Nuff said. Your opinions on raising children
== are obviously as twisted as you are, and therefore
== irrelevant.
== Discussion over, sicko. Go play with yourself.

==Just who do you think this type of advocation is helping ivan? Certainly
==not children, abused or otherwise.

As I noted, you are a sexual deviate with a jones for
inflicting pain. Discussion over, sicko. Go play
with yourself and leave the adults alone.

[snip]

==Honestly dude, you really need to educate yourself on a subject before you
==come into a Usenet newsgroup and start spouting your own personal version of
==the party line.

As I noted, you are a sexual deviate with a jones for
inflicting pain. Discussion over, sicko. Go play
with yourself and leave the adults alone.

Getting a sexual thrill from causing pain to someone
has to be the sickest, most dishonourable "kink"
of all.

You are a very sick mother****er and need help . . .
fast, before you injure someone.
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Old August 8th 08, 11:57 PM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.parenting.spanking
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"Ivan Gowch" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 15:39:10 -0500, "Ron"
wrote:

[snip]

R:
== Ivan, I am an advocate for CP for all ages.

IG:
== Aaah, so I was right -- you ARE a sexual deviate
== with a jones for inflicting pain.
== 'Nuff said. Your opinions on raising children
== are obviously as twisted as you are, and therefore
== irrelevant.
== Discussion over, sicko. Go play with yourself.

==Just who do you think this type of advocation is helping ivan?
Certainly
==not children, abused or otherwise.

As I noted, you are a sexual deviate with a jones for
inflicting pain. Discussion over, sicko. Go play
with yourself and leave the adults alone.

[snip]

==Honestly dude, you really need to educate yourself on a subject before
you
==come into a Usenet newsgroup and start spouting your own personal
version of
==the party line.

As I noted, you are a sexual deviate with a jones for
inflicting pain. Discussion over, sicko. Go play
with yourself and leave the adults alone.

Getting a sexual thrill from causing pain to someone
has to be the sickest, most dishonourable "kink"
of all.

You are a very sick mother****er and need help . . .
fast, before you injure someone.


Yes, looks quite like someone we all know and loathe. Unfortunately his
ignorance is still showing, not that it surprises me any gregg, its fairly
common among fanatics. Now, if he was actually going to "attempt" to
discuss the subject instead of frothing at the mouth I might be willing to
entertain the idea of a conversation with him. This also seems to be
something he is not capable of, to busy indulging in his odd sexual
fantasies to become an adult for a while and make an honest attempt at
getting his point across. Another hallmark of the fanatic.

Anyway, since ranting is all he seems capable of doing I think I can safely
add him to my ignore list. Its where I usually put trolls, and is no less
than he seems to want. An honest discussion would be nice, but as I have
said in the past there seems to be a total disconnect from reality when the
fanatics begin discussing this subject. Honesty is just not something they
are capable of. ivan is no different.

Ron




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Old August 9th 08, 04:59 PM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.parenting.spanking
Ivan Gowch
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On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:57:58 -0500, "Ron"
wrote:

Ron:
== Ivan, I am an advocate for CP for all ages.

IG:
== Aaah, so I was right -- you ARE a sexual deviate
== with a jones for inflicting pain.
== 'Nuff said.

Sadism is the only truly dishonourable sexual kink
since, unlike, say, rubber- or foot-fetishes,
it requires that someone suffer pain -- either
real or symbolically.

This makes spankophilia disgusting, and its
"advocates" like Ron perverts and sickos
who should be closely monitored if they have
anything to do with children.

---
Hit your kid just once, and you communicate
the message that it is OK to visit violence on someone
-- as long as that person is smaller and weaker than you.
Hit your kid just once, and that child will never again love
you as much as s/he did before.
===

This is a story told by internationally renowned Swedish author Astrid
Lindgren:

There was a young mother who still thought that children would grow up
spoiled if they were not given regular beatings with a birch rod. One
day, when her young son had done something wrong, she decided the time
had come for his first beating. She told him to go outside and pick
out a birch rod for her to use. The little boy went out and was gone a
long time. At last he returned in tears and said: "I couldn't find a
birch rod, but here is a stone you can throw at me instead." Suddenly
seeing things from the child's point of view, the mother burst into
tears as well. The child must have thought: "My mother wants to hurt
me, so a stone will do the job as well as a birch rod." The mother
wrapped her arms around her son and they both cried. Then she placed
the stone on a shelf in her kitchen, where it remained as a permanent
reminder of the promise she had made to herself - no more violence
ever again!




















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