Bad news for liars, good news for kids

On Jan 16, 8:59*pm, Mark Probert wrote:


I know what your antics are in the newsgroup and my comments are
specific to that. I thought a great mind like you would not need an
explanation.


You only think you know me. Referencing "antics," no that would not
be me. It is common knowledge how it works in this newsgroup and
others.
If one is in the "LOOP GROUP," every time one of the "LOOP GROUP"
accuses
someone of doing something that they are not, it is usually one of the
"LOOP GROUP"
that is doing it. The people that support alternative and integrated
theories, and therapies
that come to this newsgroup to share ideas which are different than
what the "LOOP GROUP"
has deemed standard protocol for medicine, are always under attack.
That would be what you
call "antics."

On Jan 16, 9:02*pm, Mark Probert wrote:
.

TestiMOANials are all about personal experience. I thought you supported
the idea that personal experience trumps science.

Testimonials are b.s. They are advertising hype. Personal experience
is
something else. Knowing the difference makes one wiser.

On Jan 17, 8:47*pm, (David Wright) wrote:


My tag line is insulting the president. *As for the attitude, well,
you're entitled to your opinion.


I support the President of the U.S. I might not like all of his
viewpoints,
or his decisions but being an American, despite who is in the White
House,
I do support the President. In my humble opinion, anyone that insults
the
President insults the Veterans, and the American Flag, and what it
stands for.

Debbee wrote:
On Jan 16, 8:59 pm, Mark Probert wrote:

I know what your antics are in the newsgroup and my comments are
specific to that. I thought a great mind like you would not need an
explanation.


You only think you know me. Referencing "antics," no that would not
be me.

Sure it is. ou have your little games and play them.

It is common knowledge how it works in this newsgroup and
others.
If one is in the "LOOP GROUP," every time one of the "LOOP GROUP"
accuses
someone of doing something that they are not, it is usually one of the
"LOOP GROUP"
that is doing it. The people that support alternative and integrated
theories, and therapies
that come to this newsgroup to share ideas which are different than
what the "LOOP GROUP"
has deemed standard protocol for medicine, are always under attack.
That would be what you
call "antics."

Debbee wrote:
On Jan 16, 9:02 pm, Mark Probert wrote:
.
TestiMOANials are all about personal experience. I thought you supported
the idea that personal experience trumps science.

Testimonials are b.s. They are advertising hype. Personal experience
is
something else. Knowing the difference makes one wiser.


TestiMOANials are based on personal experiences.

Debbee wrote:
On Jan 17, 8:47 pm, (David Wright) wrote:

My tag line is insulting the president. As for the attitude, well,
you're entitled to your opinion.


I support the President of the U.S. I might not like all of his
viewpoints,
or his decisions but being an American, despite who is in the White
House,
I do support the President. In my humble opinion, anyone that insults
the
President insults the Veterans, and the American Flag, and what it
stands for.

I disagree. Anyone who insults this president is a True American. I call
him Bar Stool Butt because of his lack of effort in his so-called
military service where he was not courts-martialed for serious
violations such as disobeying orders, AWOL, and rendering military
equipment unfit for service.

Mark Probert wrote:

Debbee wrote:
On Jan 17, 8:47 pm, (David Wright) wrote:

My tag line is insulting the president. As for the attitude, well,
you're entitled to your opinion.


I support the President of the U.S. I might not like all of his
viewpoints,
or his decisions but being an American, despite who is in the White
House,
I do support the President. In my humble opinion, anyone that insults
the
President insults the Veterans, and the American Flag, and what it
stands for.

I disagree. Anyone who insults this president is a True American. I call
him Bar Stool Butt because of his lack of effort in his so-called
military service where he was not courts-martialed for serious
violations such as disobeying orders, AWOL, and rendering military
equipment unfit for service.

The inability to distinguish the office from the man hampered the
Watergate investigation. How could Nixon be a lying crook? He was the
President!

--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

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Debbee wrote:
On Jan 17, 8:47*pm, (David Wright) wrote:


My tag line is insulting the president. *As for the attitude, well,
you're entitled to your opinion.

I support the President of the U.S. I might not like all of his
viewpoints, or his decisions but being an American, despite who is in
the White House, I do support the President. In my humble opinion,
anyone that insults the President insults the Veterans, and the
American Flag, and what it stands for.

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or
that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only
unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American
public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt


George W. Bush is a disgrace. He and Cheney should long ago have been
impeached.

But I guess we are wandering rather far from alternative health,
aren't we? So I'll stop now.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"Without Bush, what will America's schoolchildren have to look down on?"
-- Bill Maher

"Debbee" wrote in message
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On Jan 17, 8:47 pm, (David Wright) wrote:


My tag line is insulting the president. As for the attitude, well,
you're entitled to your opinion.


I support the President of the U.S. I might not like all of his
viewpoints,
or his decisions but being an American, despite who is in the White
House,
I do support the President. In my humble opinion, anyone that insults
the
President insults the Veterans, and the American Flag, and what it
stands for.


And anyone who insults the President does so out of ignorance and hate.
I don't care if it was Clinton, Nixon, Roosevelt, Hoover, Lincoln, Bush,
Kennedy.

Every one had positives that far outweighed negatives

On Jan 16, 9:26*pm, "Jan Drew" wrote:
"Mark" wrote in message

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On Jan 14, 1:58 pm, Debbee wrote:

Mark L, I have a hypothetical situation for you:

If I remember correctly, you work for some kind of Medical group.
Say you have a child that comes to
see you with his parents because they want a 3rd opinion -- ---the
chances for survival of the child are slim with the other two proposed
therapies. * *The parents tell you that they have heard about a
therapy that
as Probert likes to call it, that is "fringe" that there have been
some limited studies done about--say in Denmark and in Germany, but
nothing stateside, but there is a strong possibility that these large
doses of Vitamin supplement IVS might work for the child. *As a
doctor, what do you do in a case like this? *You already know the odds
of the chance for survival for the other two methods. *The parents
have handed over to you the studies from *that they pulled out of peer
reviewed journals. *Based on the information you know about the other
two treatments, then seeing this rather limited alternative medicine
study information from Europe with good results, what would you
recommend? * Would you abandon the conventional treatment way of
thinking to recommend trying the alternative medicine therapy, or
would you stand by it all of the way because you work for a Medical
group and your colleagues would not favor your decision?

Firstly, I take umbrage at your thinly veiled sneer that I make
decisions based on how some "group" thinks I should. *I have been
blessed with a working brain, and I use it on a daily basis, thank you
very much.

Does that so-called working brain include. *Oh my ****in God*?







If the hypothetical studies have been published in peer-reviewed
journals, and there is supposedly a "strong possibility" that the
third therapy would work better than the first two, I imagine that the
oncologists (I assume you are talking about cancer...) would have
heard about it and would have an opinion of their own. *I can read
about this therapy or that, but I wouldn't be so vain as to believe
that a trained pediatric oncologist knows less than I how to interpret
studies on new cancer therapies.

Curiously enough, this topic came up about 16-17 months ago. *I had a
darling little girl in my practice who was dying of metastatic
neuroblastoma. *The 5 doctors in the Neuroblastoma division or the
department of pediatric oncology at Sloan-Kettering in New York had
worked like devils for a year to cure this girl, but she was, frankly,
beyond hope. *All conventional, and some experimental, approaches had
been exhausted.

Her mother called me and then brought me copies of
"research" (actually just self-published testimonials, and not true
research) from some doctor in Colorado who actually told this poor
woman that he had treated and cured God-knows-how-many kids with
*exactly her daughter's condition.* *[The nerve of this *******...]

Mom wanted to know my opinion of this guy's approach. *I don't
remember the exact details, but it involved mega-doses of vitamins,
some I had heard of and some which sounded totally fictitious. *I told
Mom that I understood her desperation, but I doubted that anything
could really be done to delay the inevitable. *I did tell her that
nothing on this guy's list of supplements looked harmful, so I
wouldn't try to stop her from wasting her money.

There's your answer, Debbee.



Mom called Dr. Colorado to ask how much his treatment would cost, and
this son of a bitch responded with "Well, how much is your daughter's
life worth?" *I actually called him and demanded to know what the hell
he thought he was up to, and the conversation, needless to say, went
nowhere.

Do you know his mother? *Was she a bitch?



Two months and about $6,000 later, Mom still had a dying kid on her
hands. *I got the call at 6:00 am when she passed.

That's my personal experience with miracle cures that "they" don't
want you to know about.

Mark, MD

our experience with conventional medicine who did not cure..is??-


Here's a quote you can cut and paste to your heart's delight, Jan:

"Shut the **** up, you evil, vindictive, ignorant, nasty, heartless,
stupid, and horribly misguided bitch."

Does that do it for you? Can you add that to the list of things
you'll e-mail to people who you think are my bosses? Tell you
what...you mined the 'net to find my clinic and decided to tattle to
the person you thought had some sway over me. (BTW, it didn't work;
we both had a good laugh at your expense...) How about you tell me
your pastor's name and I'll send him some of *your* choice quotes?
Are you willing to have people outside this NG scrutinize your nasty
posts, you horrible, shriveled twit?

You are bad. You are nasty and ignorant and just plain stupid.
There...cut and paste that all you want...

Mark, MD