alt.parenting.spanking FAQ

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Frequently Asked Questions

1) What is "alt.parenting.spanking?"

Alt.parenting.spanking is a newsgroup on Usenet. Usenet is a text based system
of distributing postings in a group accessible format, which predates the more
recent World Wide Web by many years.

Some Usenet newsgroups are moderated, which means that one or more individuals
determine what and who may post notes to the newsgroup. Others are unmoderated.
Alt.parenting.spanking is an unmoderated newsgroup. As such anyone attempting
to be a NetCensor should be ignored as such.


2) When did a.p.s. first begin?

Alt.parenting.spanking began on 8 August 1995.


3) What is the purpose of a.p.s.?

Alt.parenting.spanking is a discussion group for the topic of corporal
punishment by parents in a legitimate fashion as defined by relevant law.
Any notes relating directly or indirectly to the issue of use of corporal
punishment by parents are on topic on a.p.s.


4) What is "spanking?"

The reasonable non-inflammatory definition of spanking is the legitimate and
legal use of corporal (physical) punishment in the furtherance of disciplined
behavior of a child by the parent or legal guardian of said child. The form
and manner of such corporal punishment is widely left to the discretion of
said parent or guardian and is fully within their legal rights and
prerogatives up to the point such actions violate the legal statutes.

There are those participants in the newsgroup who seek to use inflammatory and
emotionalistic, hyperbolic, hysterical and misrepresentative terms and
agenda-serving definitions which only cloud the issue and shut down any
reasonable and meaningful discussion on the topic. Such should just be pointed
out as such and then ignored as the intentional attempts at disruption that
they are.


5) May spanking fetishists post on a.p.s.?

Anyone can post to an unmoderated newsgroup, as there is little that can be
done to stop them, but since this is a parenting newsgroup, not a fetish
newsgroup, such posts are usually ignored or looked upon with disfavor.


6)Is "flaming" permitted on a.p.s.?

Since a.p.s. is unmoderated, posters are free to heap insults and slanders on
whomever they wish. Remember you can be insulting and offensive even if you use
only polite and diplomatic terminology and language. Profanity is generally
frowned upon as unnecessarily vulgar.

In addition to the obvious division between posters who agree with spanking and
posters who are against spanking, there is also a division between posters who
desire a civil discourse and posters who desire a "flame war." In the past
there have been "flamers" at times on both sides of the spanking issue. There
are also those who seem to think they are not flaming when they are, who do
not think they are being offensive when they are and who do not think they are
being uncivil when they are. Their swaggering selfrighteousness and holier-
than-thou arrogance will become readily apparent in short order.


7) What is a "killfile?"

A killfile is a simple feature of the software which you use to read Usenet
newsgroups. When you place someone's address in your killfile, all of their
notes will cease to appear on your screen. This is generally considered to be
the Usenet equivalent of sticking one's fingers in one's ears and humming.
The sole purpose of it is to perpetuate one's own ignorance. Whether or not
you read someone else's posts they can still read yours and respond.


8) Are discussions about Child Protective Services on topic on a.p.s.?

Absolutely! Since Children's Protective Services, by whatever local name they
go by, deal with issues of child abuse and since several extreme position
posters continue to claim that all spanking is child abuse, even that which
is clearly legal in all fifty states of the union, the discussion of CPS is
entirely on topic, because people should be entirely aware of what exactly
they are doing and causing if they report someone to one of these agencies.

Another newsgroup specifically about CPS is alt.support.child-protective-
services, and posts can be made there as well, but since the world is not as
ultracompartmentalized as some would wish it to be, such posts are also on
topic in a.p.s.

Those who object most strenuously to posts in the newsgroup about CPS are those
who tend to advocate or play apologist for those agencies and do not wish the
general public to know the truth about these agencies.


9) Are binary (image) files appropriate for a.p.s.?

Binary files are heavily frowned on throughout Usenet, except in newsgroups
expressly designed for the posting of binary files. Please do not post binary
files to alt.parenting.spanking or other newsgroups without "binaries" in their
names. Compared to the text messages which predominate in Usenet newsgroups,
binary files typically take up much larger amounts of memory space and
require more downloading time. Some readers of alt.parenting.spanking pay for
the online time during which they download new messages to their computers.
They will not be amused to discover that more than half of their download
consisted of a binary file.


10) Are fictional stories appropriate for a.p.s.?

It is very unlikely that a fictional story of any sort will be appropriate for
a.p.s. or widely appreciated by readers of a.p.s. Alt.parenting.spanking is
devoted to discussion of how spanking impacts the lives of the current
generation of non-fictional children. Unless your fictional story somehow
relates in a clear and direct manner to real-life spankings of real-life
children, it would be best posted elsewhere.

11) What is a "troll?"

In Usenet parlance, a "troll" is someone who posts notes on a newsgroup
intending to provoke chaos from others while they skip out and leave the
firestorm they created for the regular participants of the newsgroup to deal
with. No one likes a troll, generally speaking.


12) How can I begin posting to a.p.s.?

The best way to read and post to a.p.s. is to use a Usenet "newsreader" devoted
to the purpose. The "rn" newsreader is primitive but servicable. The "tin"
newsreader is recommended. Ask your ISP about accessing Usenet to find out what
is available for someone with your internet account. Also Netscape and Outlook
have newsreader capabilities and are usually available on most PCs.

Alt.parenting.spanking may also be accessed from the world wide web through
any number of newsgroup access sites such as Remarq, Google and others. Some
charge for their services, and others do not.

13. Is "terrorism" an appropriate topic for a.p.s?

Of course, not. Those who continued to post on the topic of terrorism
are spamming the group. They are showing that they have no respect for
the participants of a.p.s!

Doan

The following is a copy of the exact unchanged FAQ from Chris' site.
Below it you'll find a reply to Doan's nonsense FAQ


What is "alt.parenting.spanking?"

Alt.parenting.spanking is a newsgroup on Usenet. Usenet is the
"original internet," predating the more recent World Wide Web by many
years. Usenet newsgroups are text-based. Usenet computers use the
programming language, Unix.

Some Usenet newsgroups are moderated, which means that one or
more individuals determine what and who may post notes to the
newsgroup. Others are unmoderated. Alt.parenting.spanking is an
unmoderated newsgroup.

When did a.p.s. first begin?

Alt.parenting.spanking began on 8 August 1995.


What is the purpose of a.p.s.?

Alt.parenting.spanking is devoted to discussion of whether or not
to use corporal punishment on children in the home. Any notes
relating to the issue of use of corporal punishment by parents are on
topic on a.p.s.

What is "spanking?"

The short answer is, "use of physical pain, but not physical
injury, to discipline a child." In some parts of the English-speaking
world, the word "smacking" is prefered.
The definition of "spanking" is a recurrent topic of debate on
a.p.s. For example, some argue that bruising of a child's buttocks is
normal during a spanking while others argue that this goes too far.
Some define "spanking" only as striking the buttocks with a flat
object, while others use the term more broadly to include such things
as slapping a child's hand or face. In one respect, all parents who
use physical punishment do seem to agree: whatever they do is
"spanking," while "abuse" is something a bit more severe than anything
they have ever done.

May spanking fetishists post on a.p.s.?

People with a sexual preoccupation with the subject of spanking
are as welcome to post to a.p.s. as anyone else. However, since this
newsgroup is part of the parenting heirarchy, x-rated posts and
spanking-oriented fantasy material are more appropriately posted in
other venues expressly set up for such purposes. The
soc.sexuality.spanking, alt.sex.spanking and alt.spanking.reality
newsgroups are for fetish-oriented notes, while alt.personals.spanking
is the appropriate newsgroup for fetishists attempting to find
partners and penpals online.

Is "flaming" permitted on a.p.s.?

Since a.p.s. is unmoderated, posters are free to heap insults and
slanders on whomever they wish. However, an ongoing pattern of
personal attacks will tend to cause a poster to be added to the
killfiles of other regular posters and ignored. Those who maintain a
civil tone, and who address the arguments of people with whom they
disagree rather than attack the person speaking, are more likely to
influence others to their point of view.
In addition to the obvious division between posters who agree with
spanking and posters who are against spanking, there is also a
division between posters who desire a civil discourse and posters who
desire a "flame war." In the past there have been "flamers" at times
on both sides of the spanking issue.

What is a "killfile?"

A killfile is a simple program in the software which permits you
to read Usenet newsgroups. When you place someone's address in your
killfile, all of their notes will cease to appear on your screen. The
killfile saves you the trouble of ignoring the poster by blocking
their messages from your view. If you decide you would like to
permanently ignore a certain poster and don't know if you have the
ability to killfile that person, contact your ISP.
Killfiles are particularly useful for those who do not wish to
read personal attack "flame" notes, since at any given time on a.p.s.
the majority of such notes are usually written by only a small number
of authors. Placing two or three carefully selected chronic "flamers"
in your killfile will greatly decrease the "noise" level of the
newsgroup as it appears on your screen.

Are discussions about Child Protective Services on topic on a.p.s.?

Discussions about issues relating to actions and policies of Child
Protective Services agencies are on topic provided that they relate in
some way to the spanking issue. Discussions of Child Protective
Services issues which do no relate discernably to the topic of
spanking are more appropriately posted to
alt.support.child-protective-services, the Usenet newsgroup devoted to
that topic.

Are binary (image) files appropriate for a.p.s.?

Binary files are heavily frowned on throughout Usenet, except in
newsgroups expressly devoted to the posting of binary files. Please
do not post binary files to alt.parenting.spanking or other newsgroups
without "binaries" in their names.
Compared to the text messages which predominate in Usenet
newsgroups, binary files typically take up hugely larger amounts of
memory space and require more downloading time. Some readers of
alt.parenting.spanking pay for the online time during which they
download new messages to their computers. They will not be amused to
discover that more than half of their download consisted of a binary
file.

Are fictional stories appropriate for a.p.s.?

It is very unlikely that a fictional story of any sort will be
appropriate for a.p.s. or widely appreciated by readers of a.p.s.
Alt.parenting.spanking is devoted to discussion of how spanking
impacts the lives of the current generation of non-fictional children.
Unless your fictional story somehow relates in a clear and direct
manner to real-life spankings of real-life children, it would be best
posted elsewhere.

What is a "troll?"

In Usenet parlance, a "troll" is someone who posts notes on a
newsgroup intended to provoke negative reactions from others. On
alt.parenting.spanking, though, the word "troll" usually refers to a
person, typically a spanking fetishist, who is attempting to pass
themselves off as something or someone they aren't. Examples include
single, childless males portraying themselves as strict mothers, or
adults posting misspelling-ridden notes claiming to be from naughty
children.

Alt.parenting.spanking is read by real parents of real children
who are looking for advice and insights regarding how to raise their
children. These readers have the right to expect that what they read
on a parenting newsgroup is genuine, and not fiction masquerading as
fact. The lives of real-life children may be impacted by notes their
parents read on a.p.s. Hence it is extremely irresponsible to post
"advice" about discipline techniques "worked" with a fake parent's
imaginary child.

How can I begin posting to a.p.s.?

The best way to read and post to a.p.s. is to use a Usenet
"newsreader" devoted to the purpose. The "rn" newsreader is primitive
but servicable. The "tin" newsreader is recommended. Ask your ISP
about accessing Usenet to find out what is available for someone with
your internet account.

Alt.parenting.spanking may also be accessed from the world wide
web. Direct your browser to
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e...ing.span king
to read the most recent notes. Google does not currently permit
posting to Usenet newsgroups, but may offer this option in the future.
Check
http://groups.google.com/googlegroups/help.html
for latest information.

AND BELOW MY REPLY TO THE DOAN PLAGERIZED FAQ


Doan wrote:

And wrote, and wrote, and wrote, and still won't write and answer to
The Question, nor write the simple requirements for debate on the
Embry study, nor provide answers to his claims instead instisting
someone else prove him wrong, instead of proving himself right.

Now why IS that I wonder, other than the possible excuse of that he is
still suffering from the treachery of his parents from childhood?

Frequently Asked Questions

1) What is "alt.parenting.spanking?"

Alt.parenting.spanking is a newsgroup on Usenet. Usenet is a text based system
of distributing postings in a group accessible format, which predates the more
recent World Wide Web by many years.

So far so good.

Some Usenet newsgroups are moderated, which means that one or more individuals
determine what and who may post notes to the newsgroup. Others are unmoderated.
Alt.parenting.spanking is an unmoderated newsgroup.

The following was added by the Doananatory, publically exposing
himself yet again.
Can't even write a FAQ of his own, he has to plagerize another's work
with comments uncited as being by him. Tsk.

As such anyone attempting
to be a NetCensor should be ignored as such.

The just miligned redundant and trite "such" overused by a small boy
who can't find his Funkin' White. R R R R R

2) When did a.p.s. first begin?

Alt.parenting.spanking began on 8 August 1995.


3) What is the purpose of a.p.s.?

Alt.parenting.spanking is a discussion group for the topic of corporal
punishment by parents

The following is an attempt, of course, by our every so neutral "let
them make up their own minds" public Doananism Champ, to limit the
discussion and attempt to redefine spanking to HIS liking rather to
the truth...that "spanking" has more than one standard of evaluation
among the civilised and thinking population. Hence you can see where
HIS reasoning and bogus attempts to mislead and deceive come from.

in a legitimate fashion as defined by relevant law.

And below we return the the poorly plagerized, but in this sentence,
correct statement. ALL considerations of spanking, pro or con, are
welcomed here.

Any notes relating directly or indirectly to the issue of use of corporal
punishment by parents are on topic on a.p.s.


4) What is "spanking?"

Watch him go, he's in high gear now. Notice the use of an inflammatory
term, "inflammatory" when discribing spanking as the use of physical
pain...like spanking isn't painful...sure, Doanantor, sure.

The reasonable non-inflammatory definition of spanking is the legitimate and
legal use of corporal (physical) punishment

I do not believe this ng is designed to discuss only the legal
aspects, as I said before....it's open to ALL discussion, even the
sadly offtopic.

in the furtherance of disciplined
behavior of a child by the parent or legal guardian of said child.

I thought you said, "I let them make up their own mind?'

That above is starting to depart pretty extremely from your claimed
neutrality, as in you want them to get their own information, but here
are trying to fob off a definition of this ng that limits it to the
law instead of the entire field of inquiry.

I guess your moral and ethical bias is becoming more clear today, is
it not?

The form
and manner of such corporal punishment is widely left to the discretion of
said parent or guardian and is fully within their legal rights and
prerogatives up to the point such actions violate the legal statutes.

Actually, Doan, that is not quite what this ng is about. But your
attempt to invade and corrupt the FAQ is certainly what you spanking
compulsives are about. Dishonesty to yourselves, each other, and the
new visitor is duly noted. chuckle

(lest we forget one of our greatest contributors to misinformation and
foolishness....let them eat peppers....yeah that's legal, except when
it isn't.)

I see you are busy pushing "legal" when it isn't all that clear. And
we like to talk about when it isn't clear. How does that wash with
your "parents doing this and that without interference" etc.?

There are those participants in the newsgroup who seek to use inflammatory

Your words appear to me an attempt to defame so as to minimize
arguments against spanking. Is that really fair, given that you are
being inflammatory in your OWN choice of words?

Or is it okay when you and the other compulsives do so because YOU are
RIGHT?

and
emotionalistic, hyperbolic, hysterical and misrepresentative terms and
agenda-serving definitions which only cloud the issue and shut down any
reasonable and meaningful discussion on the topic.

The only thing that get's shut down does so in exactly the way I have
shut YOU down recently....with the truth. You can't handle the heat.
Kitchen door is thataway.

Such should just be pointed
out as such

Ah, the truth of "such"ness is used to hammer the opposition once
again. We are, really we are, just devestated by your command of the
logic and honorable, as well as intelligent argument.

and then ignored as the intentional attempts at disruption that
they are.

If you are going to talk that way about the pro spankers don't you
think folks might get us confused?

The only "attempts at disruption" and you just ran into one a few
weeks ago, are honest confrontations on vital questions of importance
to the safety and well being of children, and in fact, to that of
parents as well that could run afoul of the law if they do NOT take
considerably more pains to seek out information and advice that goes a
bit beyond the Donanation of, "reasonable standards."


5) May spanking fetishists post on a.p.s.?

Anyone can post to an unmoderated newsgroup, as there is little that can be
done to stop them, but since this is a parenting newsgroup, not a fetish
newsgroup, such posts are usually ignored or looked upon with disfavor.

Gee, now why would you cut and snip and otherwise mutilate a very
reasoned and thoughtful invitation, polite too, to take this stuff
elsewhere and substitute this rather vapid bit of prose in it's place?


6)Is "flaming" permitted on a.p.s.?

Since a.p.s. is unmoderated, posters are free to heap insults and slanders on
whomever they wish. Remember you can be insulting and offensive even if you use
only polite and diplomatic terminology and language. Profanity is generally
frowned upon as unnecessarily vulgar.

Interesting...at least to someone that has studied learning theory.
Chris posts a balanced and complete section that focuses on what kind
of behavior is wanted, and encourages folks toward that, when you,
against the commonest and long known and proven learning theory
concepts, focus entirely on the negative, what is not wanted.

You do know that such an approach tends to the anchor the negative in
one's mind thus causing them to surface that very thing in their
behaviors, do you not? No, I guess you do not know that.

But then that is common among punishers, those that are attracted to
compulsively spanking when a child presents and unwanted behavior.

In addition to the obvious division between posters who agree with spanking and
posters who are against spanking, there is also a division between posters who
desire a civil discourse and posters who desire a "flame war." In the past
there have been "flamers" at times on both sides of the spanking issue.

Well, so far Chris had a clear description. Let's see what a
Doananator can do to mess it up, eh?

There
are also those who seem to think they are not flaming when they are,

Doan, you are OUTed at last, and by yourself. Congrats.

who do
not think they are being offensive when they are and who do not think they are
being uncivil when they are.

That's why, when you are doing such a bangup job of it, and likely
neurotically blind to your insults, I lay into you to get your
attention. Have you not noticed that I get more insulting at times?
Just assume you did it again, without knowing it.

That IS a common, in fact majority wise, characteristic of people who
have been spanked in childhood. They are poor readers of others
feelings and thoughts, and very good at deluding themselves they are
making polite intelligent and oh so logical contributions, when in
fact they are often dishonest, peddlers of ignorance as fact, with a
callous regard to the feeling, opinions, and thoughts of
others....more especially children.

Some of those like you...scuse me, some of those like that have left
this ng, and good riddance. And when you grow up you'll find your own
little self being treated with considerably more gentleness. Until
then, yah earn what's yah get, clearly.

Their swaggering selfrighteousness and holier-
than-thou arrogance will become readily apparent in short order.

Tsk, tsk, little braggart and bully, you shouldn't talk about NNN, the
long missing Onanator-lil'O, and other such as such who are such
suchers of suchness.


7) What is a "killfile?"

A killfile is a simple feature of the software which you use to read Usenet
newsgroups. When you place someone's address in your killfile, all of their
notes will cease to appear on your screen. This is generally considered to be
the Usenet equivalent of sticking one's fingers in one's ears and humming.

For you perhaps. For other's it amounts more to smackin' an annoying
humming buzzing mosquito and putting it in a box for safekeeping.

The sole purpose of it is to perpetuate one's own ignorance.

Or to fight off overwhelming boredom with twits such as you that put
yourself in positions of importance you haven't earned or deserve. You
Drone Doan.

Whether or not
you read someone else's posts they can still read yours and respond.

Interesting that, once again, Chris posted, under this subject title,
a very carefully and intelligently thought out bit of advice. He even
points to their use to avoid having to read posts of flame wars, a
perfectly legitimate use. When I'm conversing with you, for instance,
I am really very okay with folks dumping me into the their
twit-filter. They shouldn't have to be annoyed at what I say to annoy
you, and they certainly should not be subjected to the flaming
embarrassment you perpetrate on yourself with you silly childish "I
DARE YOU I DOUBLE DARE YOU" antics and evasions.

Really. Some of us are embarrassed for you, Droan.


8) Are discussions about Child Protective Services on topic on a.p.s.?

Absolutely! Since Children's Protective Services, by whatever local name they
go by, deal with issues of child abuse and since several extreme position
posters continue to claim that all spanking is child abuse, even that which
is clearly legal in all fifty states of the union, the discussion of CPS is
entirely on topic, because people should be entirely aware of what exactly
they are doing and causing if they report someone to one of these agencies.

Let me see now. It's not appropriate to claim that spanking is a bad
thing because it's legal in all states, (I believe you opened early
with this claim) but it's really perfectly okay to post all kinds of
things from ascsp because someone it's a legal thing only...hmmm. Am I
missing something here.

Could you clarify a bit for us, having it both ways wise I mean?

No, of course you won't. YOu never do. YOu just are just one of those
Plantlike Declarative Whine.....opps, WINNERS!

Funny, too. Chris didn't go as far as you in your attempt to control
peoples thinking. He used the word "appropriate" alot, making
suggestions about what is more likely the place to explore CPS issues,
and saying that of course, when you discuss spanking AND CPS then this
is also a good place to post to.

I think you are trying to make out that Chris is saying something he
isn't. Now why WOULD you do that? Why would you keep hammering away at
this FAQ if you didn't have some residual and reactionary response to
some asswhuppins' Chris gave you in the past?

Another newsgroup specifically about CPS is alt.support.child-protective-
services, and posts can be made there as well, but since the world is not as
ultracompartmentalized as some would wish it to be, such posts are also on
topic in a.p.s.

That's just what I say...and I say it about trying to compartmentalize
into false and fabricated compartments, like "parents can decide on
their own" when you can't even answer a simple question about the most
vital of information they DO need, other than to use the vague and
misleading (since it's admitted even by legal experts as unclear and
no standard at all) "reasonable standards."

Those who object most strenuously to posts in the newsgroup about CPS are those
who tend to advocate or play apologist for those agencies and do not wish the
general public to know the truth about these agencies.

And of course here you are again treating us to your wonderful and
pious neutrality. How is it that you don't just tell the to get more
information like you do about spanking? AFraid of what they will find
if they really shovel enough manure aside and get down to the truth?

I hereby invite all who read Doan's smarmy attempt to mislead, once
again, to really dig down, and leave the garbage in ascps behind and
go to government and scientific and social work studies of this issues
of child abuse in this country.

It has little to do with the aside he just offered to lead you
down....sometimes referred to as The Garden Path.

9) Are binary (image) files appropriate for a.p.s.?

Binary files are heavily frowned on throughout Usenet, except in newsgroups
expressly designed for the posting of binary files. Please do not post binary
files to alt.parenting.spanking or other newsgroups without "binaries" in their
names. Compared to the text messages which predominate in Usenet newsgroups,
binary files typically take up much larger amounts of memory space and
require more downloading time. Some readers of alt.parenting.spanking pay for
the online time during which they download new messages to their computers.
They will not be amused to discover that more than half of their download
consisted of a binary file.

I take it back. You ARE honest. You left one issue unchanged.
Congrats. Of course how important it was to the issues discussed here
that you DO lie about remains the question.

Speaking of The Question. How about it?

10) Are fictional stories appropriate for a.p.s.?

It is very unlikely that a fictional story of any sort will be appropriate for
a.p.s. or widely appreciated by readers of a.p.s. Alt.parenting.spanking is
devoted to discussion of how spanking impacts the lives of the current
generation of non-fictional children. Unless your fictional story somehow
relates in a clear and direct manner to real-life spankings of real-life
children, it would be best posted elsewhere.

11) What is a "troll?"

In Usenet parlance, a "troll" is someone who posts notes on a newsgroup
intending to provoke chaos from others while they skip out and leave the
firestorm they created for the regular participants of the newsgroup to deal
with. No one likes a troll, generally speaking.

You seem to do that every few weeks or so, with your post of a phony
FAQ.

But then I do not want anyone claiming you are a troll, so here I am.

SURPRISE!!!!

Ain't we got fun? R R R R R


12) How can I begin posting to a.p.s.?

The best way to read and post to a.p.s. is to use a Usenet "newsreader" devoted
to the purpose. The "rn" newsreader is primitive but servicable. The "tin"
newsreader is recommended. Ask your ISP about accessing Usenet to find out what
is available for someone with your internet account. Also Netscape and Outlook
have newsreader capabilities and are usually available on most PCs.

Yah know, I find this odd little recommendation, not posted by Chris,
fascinating. "tin" and "rn" are far more closed or easily firewalled
while Outlook, especially the Express model, and somewhat Netscape
newsreaders are terribly "porous" to hacking, or should I say
cracking.

Given your technical expertise wouldn't it be more thoughtful and
helpful to recommend more secure and more solidly firewall capable
newsreaders such as Agent, or even the latest addition of Outlook,
specifically, that comes with XP?

Oh, well, probably no big thing. Crackers are pretty much into
everyone's workstation that post to and recieve directly from Usenet.

I guess you forgot to recommend the most secure way of reading mail of
all....a web based, such as google, newsreader.

Glad I can be of assistance.

Alt.parenting.spanking may also be accessed from the world wide web through
any number of newsgroup access sites such as Remarq, Google and others. Some
charge for their services, and others do not.

Hey, guess what. You just DID get one over on Chris. He is remiss in
not updating his FAQ file on this. I'll try to give him a heads up. He
still has google as opting out on this ng. ...though he does point to
the update page.

You want to email him or shall I?

13. Is "terrorism" an appropriate topic for a.p.s?

Of course, not. Those who continued to post on the topic of terrorism
are spamming the group. They are showing that they have no respect for
the participants of a.p.s!

Well, until you start to look into the parenting practice of the
nations that seem to produce and extraordinarily high proportion of
terrorists, which also includes one of the nations with nearly the
highest incident of admitted spanking in the world, the United States
of America.

We have our very on OK bomber, folks that take Civvy models of the AK
47 (real full auto machine guns, AK 47's, are hard to get) in semi
auto...very deadly and high cyclic firing rate, and those folks that
pitch a burning can of gas into a crowded dance hall and kill dozens
and even hundreds, and folks that drive their cars into crowds of
people, even little children, and people that slip into homes at
night, or grab children in the street in broad daylight...well, I'd
say something is setting this off...

And WE brag, well some like Doanantor do, in this ng that 90% or more
of US families use spanking, yet they consider it provocative and
inflammatory of us to bring these two facts into juxtaposition,
pretending it's just Cargo Cult Science.

Me, I kinda sorta tend to go with the long well proven principle that
violence begats violence, and children learn...as well know and use
for everything else....by what they see and hear, and witness.

'course how COULD there possibly be a connection between the violence
in the country and the 90% spanking...after all, the only folks that
do violence are those that were not spanked as children, right?

Doan

Well, at least you signed it. That's to your credit. Somewhere down
under that cringing, terrified child left from your childhood, is an
honorable, decent, honest man. I'm sure of it or I wouldn't bother
with you.

Spanking hurts, just like when I spank you here. Only for a child
there's no escape, until they are grown. None. They have to bear it,
and they have to find a way to that usually amounts to becoming what
you are.

Never fear, I won't give up on you, child. You are worth it.

Am I getting a bit too inflammatory for yah, old boy? Unlike you who
promulgate your thoughtful and fairminded and evenhanded and neutral
commentary in these ngs?

Sorry 'bout that.

I guess the reader will have to, between us, "decide for themselves"
as you so often have said.

I sure hope they know how to google and google your ass into the light
of truth.

Kane