A month versus 28 days

I got this weird problem. I pay a 1,000 dollars a month in CS. To me, that
means, 12,000 a year. California calculates it to be every 28 days. And
even with that, they can't get their math straight. If the court order says
a month, is it a month, or 28 days?

I mean, for 3 months I'll be in "arrears" for like 400 bucks or something
(ex had them take it out of my check via garnishment), then I'll get a check
FROM the Country for like 500 bucks, when, by chance, I'll have three
paydays in that 28 day period.

How can I fix this. I keep all my receipts. And I see at times, they
haven't been giving me credit for my CS, even though it's automatic.

It's not so wierd Dog. Florida does the same thing and I got into it
with the judge when I was at my paternity hearing. He kept on saying I
make x a month. I kept saying he was wrong as I am paid every two weeks
not once or twice a month. He didn't appreciate that. I think it's
complete bull****. Ya hear me Judge Roy Bean?????

Interesting... You have to pay every 28 days, not every month... And
the months that have more than 28 days in them will have 2-3 extra
"days" that you'll contributing to the kitty with. So after ten years
or so, those extra days will have added up and you'll have paid for a
month that never existed. Wonder where that money will have ended up?

Nah -- actually, I don't wonder at all.

- Ron ^*^


Simpledog wrote:

I got this weird problem. I pay a 1,000 dollars a month in CS. To me, that
means, 12,000 a year. California calculates it to be every 28 days. And
even with that, they can't get their math straight. If the court order says
a month, is it a month, or 28 days?

I mean, for 3 months I'll be in "arrears" for like 400 bucks or something
(ex had them take it out of my check via garnishment), then I'll get a check
FROM the Country for like 500 bucks, when, by chance, I'll have three
paydays in that 28 day period.

How can I fix this. I keep all my receipts. And I see at times, they
haven't been giving me credit for my CS, even though it's automatic.

Question is, is it worth going in to the county, and trying to sit down with
some civil servant to get it fixed? I mean, if it's 28 days, fine, but they
are messing all kinds of crap up.


"Werebat" wrote in message
news:QzoAd.9694$ce6.6043@lakeread07...

Interesting... You have to pay every 28 days, not every month... And the
months that have more than 28 days in them will have 2-3 extra "days" that
you'll contributing to the kitty with. So after ten years or so, those
extra days will have added up and you'll have paid for a month that never
existed. Wonder where that money will have ended up?

Nah -- actually, I don't wonder at all.

- Ron ^*^


Simpledog wrote:

I got this weird problem. I pay a 1,000 dollars a month in CS. To me,
that means, 12,000 a year. California calculates it to be every 28 days.
And even with that, they can't get their math straight. If the court
order says a month, is it a month, or 28 days?

I mean, for 3 months I'll be in "arrears" for like 400 bucks or something
(ex had them take it out of my check via garnishment), then I'll get a
check FROM the Country for like 500 bucks, when, by chance, I'll have
three paydays in that 28 day period.

How can I fix this. I keep all my receipts. And I see at times, they
haven't been giving me credit for my CS, even though it's automatic.

In article .com, R says...

It's not so wierd Dog. Florida does the same thing and I got into it
with the judge when I was at my paternity hearing. He kept on saying I
make x a month. I kept saying he was wrong as I am paid every two weeks
not once or twice a month. He didn't appreciate that. I think it's
complete bull****. Ya hear me Judge Roy Bean?????
====
Actually what they do in FL., is calculate the entire term and credit all
payments against the total due under the order. If more has been taken than what
is due under the order, they send it back after the kids turn 18 (well, if you
ask them for it). Yep, that's what they do.
====

People are paid to figure out ways to "mess things up" for the benefit
of the department. I don't believe the "28 days" decision was an
accident, someone made a conscious decision to use that unit of time
rather than the "month". I'm sure they did their math.

Remember, Black voters once got three-fifths of a vote. Someone did the
math there, too -- the number was not a coincidence!

- Ron ^*^


Simpledog wrote:

Question is, is it worth going in to the county, and trying to sit down with
some civil servant to get it fixed? I mean, if it's 28 days, fine, but they
are messing all kinds of crap up.


"Werebat" wrote in message
news:QzoAd.9694$ce6.6043@lakeread07...

Interesting... You have to pay every 28 days, not every month... And the
months that have more than 28 days in them will have 2-3 extra "days" that
you'll contributing to the kitty with. So after ten years or so, those
extra days will have added up and you'll have paid for a month that never
existed. Wonder where that money will have ended up?

Nah -- actually, I don't wonder at all.

- Ron ^*^


Simpledog wrote:


I got this weird problem. I pay a 1,000 dollars a month in CS. To me,
that means, 12,000 a year. California calculates it to be every 28 days.
And even with that, they can't get their math straight. If the court
order says a month, is it a month, or 28 days?

I mean, for 3 months I'll be in "arrears" for like 400 bucks or something
(ex had them take it out of my check via garnishment), then I'll get a
check FROM the Country for like 500 bucks, when, by chance, I'll have
three paydays in that 28 day period.

How can I fix this. I keep all my receipts. And I see at times, they
haven't been giving me credit for my CS, even though it's automatic.

Gini wrote:

In article .com, R says...

It's not so wierd Dog. Florida does the same thing and I got into it
with the judge when I was at my paternity hearing. He kept on saying I
make x a month. I kept saying he was wrong as I am paid every two weeks
not once or twice a month. He didn't appreciate that. I think it's
complete bull****. Ya hear me Judge Roy Bean?????

====
Actually what they do in FL., is calculate the entire term and credit all
payments against the total due under the order. If more has been taken than what
is due under the order, they send it back after the kids turn 18 (well, if you
ask them for it). Yep, that's what they do.
====

Yeah, that's the ticket.

*IF* you keep impeccable records. Because by the end of a decade, your
original case worker will have retired and your old records will have
been "misplaced" by THEIR computer. Do you seriously believe they will
let you have any of that money back?

I got handed the same line by my CSE department here in Rhode Island
when I made an issue out of their bullying me into paying $600 that I
never owed. They insisted that they had not until I threatened to call
a lawyer, then they had Mr. Softsoap give me a call and explain that I'd
get the money back in 15 years or so. Riiiiiight... They had just
spent four weeks denying up and down that there had ever BEEN an
overcharge -- what makes them think I'll believe they'll suddenly 'fess
up 15 years from now when the trail is cold?

- Ron ^*^

Are you sure it is not the employer's math rather than the states?
Normally, a wage withholding order stipulates as the court does (i.e.
$1000/month) and includes limitations as to the percentage of income
net of taxes which can be withheld; hence, If your after tax income is
$2500/mo and they may withhold up to 35%, only $875 can be withheld
regardless if the order says $1000. (note: percentage can be higher
when there are arrears).

I have dealt with several different "weekly" amounts of child support
based upon the same monthly amount ordered by the court simply due to
it being a different employer. I imagine your employer is concerned
that if $1000 on the nose does not arrive before the 1st, they will be
in trouble. Better for you to be out than for them to be in trouble
dontcha' know. Perhaps you would want to speak with your employer's
payroll dept/person and educate them. For instance, child support is
not considered in arrears until a full month is due for a full month.

If you are paid every other week and your order is for $1000/month,
then they should be withholding only $461.54 plus any processing fees
from each paycheck.

In any given year, every 6th month should have an additional payday
when paid every other week.

Month 1 payments 923.08 still owe 76.92
Month 2 Payments 923.08 still owe 153.84
Month 3 payments 923.08 still owe 230.76
Month 4 Payments 923.08 still owe 307.68
Month 5 payments 923.08 still owe 384.60
Month 6 Payments 1384.62 still owe -.02
Month 7 payments 923.08 still owe 76.90
Month 8 Payments 923.08 still owe 153.82
Month 9 payments 923.08 still owe 230.74
Month 10 Payments 923.08 still owe 307.66
Month 11 payments 923.08 still owe 384.58
Month 12 Payments 1384.62 still owe -.04

The above is worst case scenario on "being behind" as it assumes the 3
paycheck month to come last. Note: the "still owe" column never nears
$1000. And if your employer follows the law and remits payment
withheld within 7 days of withholding, your child doesn't suffer...
simply gets a steady stream of $461.54 every other week.

Feel free to print this out and take it to work with you. I'm betting
it is your payroll dept/person rather than the state since the state
returns the extra $500 when they get it.


On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 01:50:36 GMT, "Simpledog"
wrote:

I got this weird problem. I pay a 1,000 dollars a month in CS. To me, that
means, 12,000 a year. California calculates it to be every 28 days. And
even with that, they can't get their math straight. If the court order says
a month, is it a month, or 28 days?

I mean, for 3 months I'll be in "arrears" for like 400 bucks or something
(ex had them take it out of my check via garnishment), then I'll get a check
FROM the Country for like 500 bucks, when, by chance, I'll have three
paydays in that 28 day period.

How can I fix this. I keep all my receipts. And I see at times, they
haven't been giving me credit for my CS, even though it's automatic.

I just have to go to them and ask them what a "month" is. Sorta like Bill
Clinton and sex. Is a "month" every 28 days, or is a month those things
that happen 12 times a year?

It's just bizzare. I love my kids, but I wish they'd get to 18 quick. 4
more years.
"Beverly" wrote in message
...
Are you sure it is not the employer's math rather than the states?
Normally, a wage withholding order stipulates as the court does (i.e.
$1000/month) and includes limitations as to the percentage of income
net of taxes which can be withheld; hence, If your after tax income is
$2500/mo and they may withhold up to 35%, only $875 can be withheld
regardless if the order says $1000. (note: percentage can be higher
when there are arrears).

I have dealt with several different "weekly" amounts of child support
based upon the same monthly amount ordered by the court simply due to
it being a different employer. I imagine your employer is concerned
that if $1000 on the nose does not arrive before the 1st, they will be
in trouble. Better for you to be out than for them to be in trouble
dontcha' know. Perhaps you would want to speak with your employer's
payroll dept/person and educate them. For instance, child support is
not considered in arrears until a full month is due for a full month.

If you are paid every other week and your order is for $1000/month,
then they should be withholding only $461.54 plus any processing fees
from each paycheck.

In any given year, every 6th month should have an additional payday
when paid every other week.

Month 1 payments 923.08 still owe 76.92
Month 2 Payments 923.08 still owe 153.84
Month 3 payments 923.08 still owe 230.76
Month 4 Payments 923.08 still owe 307.68
Month 5 payments 923.08 still owe 384.60
Month 6 Payments 1384.62 still owe -.02
Month 7 payments 923.08 still owe 76.90
Month 8 Payments 923.08 still owe 153.82
Month 9 payments 923.08 still owe 230.74
Month 10 Payments 923.08 still owe 307.66
Month 11 payments 923.08 still owe 384.58
Month 12 Payments 1384.62 still owe -.04

The above is worst case scenario on "being behind" as it assumes the 3
paycheck month to come last. Note: the "still owe" column never nears
$1000. And if your employer follows the law and remits payment
withheld within 7 days of withholding, your child doesn't suffer...
simply gets a steady stream of $461.54 every other week.

Feel free to print this out and take it to work with you. I'm betting
it is your payroll dept/person rather than the state since the state
returns the extra $500 when they get it.


On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 01:50:36 GMT, "Simpledog"
wrote:

I got this weird problem. I pay a 1,000 dollars a month in CS. To me,
that
means, 12,000 a year. California calculates it to be every 28 days. And
even with that, they can't get their math straight. If the court order
says
a month, is it a month, or 28 days?

I mean, for 3 months I'll be in "arrears" for like 400 bucks or something
(ex had them take it out of my check via garnishment), then I'll get a
check
FROM the Country for like 500 bucks, when, by chance, I'll have three
paydays in that 28 day period.

How can I fix this. I keep all my receipts. And I see at times, they
haven't been giving me credit for my CS, even though it's automatic.

I can guarantee you, when it's in their best interests for a "month" to
be every 28 days, it'll be every 28 days... And in those instances
where it's best for them for it to be one of those things that happen
twelve times a year, it'll be one of those things that happen twelve
times a year. And if you complain about this shell game, they'll
skillfully set you on the runaround track.

Eventually you'll be directed to a fat, leathery old woman who will rasp
harshly at you, "You don't like it? GO SOMEWHERE ELSE!!!" Then she'll
laugh and laugh her cigarette hag laugh at you, because she knows you can't.

- Ron ^*^


Simpledog wrote:
I just have to go to them and ask them what a "month" is. Sorta like Bill
Clinton and sex. Is a "month" every 28 days, or is a month those things
that happen 12 times a year?

It's just bizzare. I love my kids, but I wish they'd get to 18 quick. 4
more years.
"Beverly" wrote in message
...

Are you sure it is not the employer's math rather than the states?
Normally, a wage withholding order stipulates as the court does (i.e.
$1000/month) and includes limitations as to the percentage of income
net of taxes which can be withheld; hence, If your after tax income is
$2500/mo and they may withhold up to 35%, only $875 can be withheld
regardless if the order says $1000. (note: percentage can be higher
when there are arrears).

I have dealt with several different "weekly" amounts of child support
based upon the same monthly amount ordered by the court simply due to
it being a different employer. I imagine your employer is concerned
that if $1000 on the nose does not arrive before the 1st, they will be
in trouble. Better for you to be out than for them to be in trouble
dontcha' know. Perhaps you would want to speak with your employer's
payroll dept/person and educate them. For instance, child support is
not considered in arrears until a full month is due for a full month.

If you are paid every other week and your order is for $1000/month,
then they should be withholding only $461.54 plus any processing fees
from each paycheck.

In any given year, every 6th month should have an additional payday
when paid every other week.

Month 1 payments 923.08 still owe 76.92
Month 2 Payments 923.08 still owe 153.84
Month 3 payments 923.08 still owe 230.76
Month 4 Payments 923.08 still owe 307.68
Month 5 payments 923.08 still owe 384.60
Month 6 Payments 1384.62 still owe -.02
Month 7 payments 923.08 still owe 76.90
Month 8 Payments 923.08 still owe 153.82
Month 9 payments 923.08 still owe 230.74
Month 10 Payments 923.08 still owe 307.66
Month 11 payments 923.08 still owe 384.58
Month 12 Payments 1384.62 still owe -.04

The above is worst case scenario on "being behind" as it assumes the 3
paycheck month to come last. Note: the "still owe" column never nears
$1000. And if your employer follows the law and remits payment
withheld within 7 days of withholding, your child doesn't suffer...
simply gets a steady stream of $461.54 every other week.

Feel free to print this out and take it to work with you. I'm betting
it is your payroll dept/person rather than the state since the state
returns the extra $500 when they get it.


On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 01:50:36 GMT, "Simpledog"
wrote:


I got this weird problem. I pay a 1,000 dollars a month in CS. To me,
that
means, 12,000 a year. California calculates it to be every 28 days. And
even with that, they can't get their math straight. If the court order
says
a month, is it a month, or 28 days?

I mean, for 3 months I'll be in "arrears" for like 400 bucks or something
(ex had them take it out of my check via garnishment), then I'll get a
check

FROM the Country for like 500 bucks, when, by chance, I'll have three

paydays in that 28 day period.

How can I fix this. I keep all my receipts. And I see at times, they
haven't been giving me credit for my CS, even though it's automatic.