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Hi all that are aware of our situation. A turn of events hit our
household last
night when we picked up the mail. Seems after almost 11 months,
and two weeks

[snip]

It's seems possible to me that the paternal grandparents are not
materialistic and are petitioning with genuine intentions for the
sake
of the baby.

Your daughter does not seem fit to be a mother right now.

If you feel you are fit, perhaps you should try and adopt the baby.

Karen

That is not an option because it would require consent from the
father.

I would say it is better than 50/50 odds that primary custody will be
awarded to father at this point, and the mother will be required to
pay child support.




yeah right Paul........ you really think the system would do that? lol
(make the mother pay support)

I should have said 'ordered'.......they will order CS from the mom, but
doubtful they would enforce it.




How you doing by the way?

Hanging in there........doing lots of chauffeur work LOL.

Looking forward to New Yeas in the Carribean again :-)


Can I come? ~bats eyelashes~

You trying to make Tiff jealous again? LOL


Ok, compromise, bring us both. lol

Christine

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yeah right Paul........ you really think the system would do that?
lol
(make the mother pay support)

How you doing by the way?

I think the system does make the mother pay child support, if she
works and earns money.

Karen

No, typically the CS system is sexist. Do some research if you like.
Don't
assume just because it should be that way that it is. If a mother is
told
to
pay support, it is also typically lower then when the tables are
turned.

T

Not here. Here we have a table. Across the top is the
province/territory of residence, and down the side is the income level
of the noncustodial parent. Embedded are figures at each level for
each number of kids up to, as I remember, four, and after that the
additional amount.

It's applied to determine the amount expected of a noncustodial
parent, regardless of gender. When it came in about ten years ago it
took a lot of unnecessary rubbish out of the courts.

Cele

Tables or not, judges can make there own ruling. I am not going to get
into a major thing about the CS system, that is better done elsewhere. I
use to think things were equal but have since found out they are not.

Ooopp..... you are way up north??? I forgot. Up there, things might be
very different.

Here in the states at least.......women are far less likely to be pursued
for CS than men.......and women are more likely to be ordered to pay less
than the guidelines.

But there are other countries in the world, and I live in one of them.

Cele

Definitely and I don't have much knowledge of how it works for Canadians so
I take your word for it. But we were discussing someone living in the
states. Here, its not a fair system.

T

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Subject: what do you think?
From: 'Kate
Date: 11/15/2004 3:36 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:28:04 -0500, "Tiffany"
wrote:

You suck! lol

T

Oh god.. I hope he does!

yeah but I've heard he sucks at sucking don't waist yer time, he'll
leave ya
hanging, and god that sucks !
AS does our situation, which sucks that these two suckers had to take it
off
topic in thier sucky sucked up way. Ya know whether or not I am metally
ill
(which I am not) or my daughter is mentally ill , we love this baby with
all
our hearts, Paul has disliked me from day one and I really don't care, I
expected him to be the asshole he is. Tomorrow we will fight the fight
many
parents have fought, It is heart breaking to everyone , If my daughter
losses
her baby because of her mental health, I will hurt for her as any mother
would
for thier childs pain, Is it possible, yeah it is, it hurts, it hurts a
lot,
and it sucks that Paul and Tiff suck and you are so hard up for it you
lost
compassion. So if "What you think" about what is happening for us is you
pray
to a god you don't believe in that Paul "sucks"
Well thanks for your advice Kate, but I'm sucked fine , he is all yours.


'K

What the hell is your problem? Paul commented to me that he was going to
the islands for the new year and I said he sucks. There was no sexual
innuendo there..... Kate made the extra comment. He did not take it off
topic, he told you exactly how he felt. That hurt I am sure but his
thinking might be the JUDGES thinking too. Better get use to it.


You have to remember...'it is all about her' which is the crux of the
problem......she hads never been motivated by what is best for her
daughter or grandaughter.......it is only what is best for her.

T

Yeah I've sure noticed that as well.

Christine

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yeah right Paul........ you really think the system would do that?
lol
(make the mother pay support)

How you doing by the way?

I think the system does make the mother pay child support, if she
works and earns money.

Karen

No, typically the CS system is sexist. Do some research if you like.
Don't
assume just because it should be that way that it is. If a mother is
told
to
pay support, it is also typically lower then when the tables are turned.

T

Not here. Here we have a table. Across the top is the
province/territory of residence, and down the side is the income level
of the noncustodial parent. Embedded are figures at each level for
each number of kids up to, as I remember, four, and after that the
additional amount.

It's applied to determine the amount expected of a noncustodial
parent, regardless of gender. When it came in about ten years ago it
took a lot of unnecessary rubbish out of the courts.

Cele

Tables or not, judges can make there own ruling. I am not going to get
into
a major thing about the CS system, that is better done elsewhere. I use to
think things were equal but have since found out they are not.

Ooopp..... you are way up north??? I forgot. Up there, things might be
very
different.

Tiff

Canada, Tiff. Whole other country.

Cele

Yeah, the country up north. I get it! lol

T

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Hi all that are aware of our situation. A turn of events hit our
household last
night when we picked up the mail. Seems after almost 11 months,
and two weeks

[snip]

It's seems possible to me that the paternal grandparents are not
materialistic and are petitioning with genuine intentions for the
sake
of the baby.

Your daughter does not seem fit to be a mother right now.

If you feel you are fit, perhaps you should try and adopt the
baby.

Karen

That is not an option because it would require consent from the
father.

I would say it is better than 50/50 odds that primary custody will
be awarded to father at this point, and the mother will be required
to pay child support.




yeah right Paul........ you really think the system would do that?
lol (make the mother pay support)

I should have said 'ordered'.......they will order CS from the mom,
but doubtful they would enforce it.

Ok.... that I can agree with. Doesn't matter....... the daughter makes
no money...... I think there would be no support ordered. But really,
it is irrevelent. Do you see another situation where family court is
going to do bad things to a family? I sure do. Money is going to
destroy another childs life. Sad.

It is already being destroyed by a sick grandmother who only thinks of
herself. The father has a lot going for himself, the child currently
resides in a highly dysfunctional household with a mentaly unstable
mother and grandmother.


Trust Paul to get to the crux of the problem.

She has created a hostile environment for the father.....and she maintains
an 'ownership' mentality toward the grandchild.......neither will play
well with a judge if the father has a competent lawyer.



Well unfortunately it doesn't seem either parent is what's best for this
child but then again we're only seeing one side of the story. Let's hope
the judge gets all the facts and makes the best decision for this child and
not the children fighting over her.

Christine

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Subject: what do you think?
From: 'Kate
Date: 11/15/2004 3:36 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:28:04 -0500, "Tiffany"
wrote:

You suck! lol

T

Oh god.. I hope he does!

yeah but I've heard he sucks at sucking don't waist yer time, he'll
leave ya
hanging, and god that sucks !
AS does our situation, which sucks that these two suckers had to take it
off
topic in thier sucky sucked up way. Ya know whether or not I am metally
ill
(which I am not) or my daughter is mentally ill , we love this baby with
all
our hearts, Paul has disliked me from day one and I really don't care, I
expected him to be the asshole he is. Tomorrow we will fight the fight
many
parents have fought, It is heart breaking to everyone , If my daughter
losses
her baby because of her mental health, I will hurt for her as any mother
would
for thier childs pain, Is it possible, yeah it is, it hurts, it hurts a
lot,
and it sucks that Paul and Tiff suck and you are so hard up for it you
lost
compassion. So if "What you think" about what is happening for us is you
pray
to a god you don't believe in that Paul "sucks"
Well thanks for your advice Kate, but I'm sucked fine , he is all yours.


'K

What the hell is your problem? Paul commented to me that he was going to
the islands for the new year and I said he sucks. There was no sexual
innuendo there..... Kate made the extra comment. He did not take it off
topic, he told you exactly how he felt. That hurt I am sure but his
thinking might be the JUDGES thinking too. Better get use to it.


You have to remember...'it is all about her' which is the crux of the
problem......she hads never been motivated by what is best for her
daughter or grandaughter.......it is only what is best for her.

T




Yeah and you suck. You just plain suck.

I often wonder how the daughter really feels about being a mom. What does
she tell her friends...... because kids don't always tell parents the truth.
Yeah, yeah, I know.... "my kid tells me everything". No, they don't. They
just don't. The thing is women are taught that they are to be mothers, its
what women do. But not all females feel they want to mother. Then those
feelings make them feel BAD for not having a motherly drive so they still
have kids.

T

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Hi all that are aware of our situation. A turn of events hit our
household last
night when we picked up the mail. Seems after almost 11 months,
and two weeks

[snip]

It's seems possible to me that the paternal grandparents are not
materialistic and are petitioning with genuine intentions for the
sake
of the baby.

Your daughter does not seem fit to be a mother right now.

If you feel you are fit, perhaps you should try and adopt the
baby.

Karen

That is not an option because it would require consent from the
father.

I would say it is better than 50/50 odds that primary custody will
be awarded to father at this point, and the mother will be required
to pay child support.




yeah right Paul........ you really think the system would do that? lol
(make the mother pay support)

I should have said 'ordered'.......they will order CS from the mom, but
doubtful they would enforce it.




How you doing by the way?

Hanging in there........doing lots of chauffeur work LOL.

Looking forward to New Yeas in the Carribean again :-)


Can I come? ~bats eyelashes~

You trying to make Tiff jealous again? LOL


Ok, compromise, bring us both. lol

That is not a compromise....that is a death wish LOL

How would an old guy like me keep up with both of you two young things?
;-)




Christine

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From: "CME"
Date: 11/15/2004 6:20 PM Eastern Standard Time
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Hi all that are aware of our situation. A turn of events hit our
household last
night when we picked up the mail. Seems after almost 11 months,
and two weeks

[snip]

It's seems possible to me that the paternal grandparents are not
materialistic and are petitioning with genuine intentions for the
sake
of the baby.

Your daughter does not seem fit to be a mother right now.

If you feel you are fit, perhaps you should try and adopt the
baby.

Karen

That is not an option because it would require consent from the
father.

I would say it is better than 50/50 odds that primary custody will
be
awarded to father at this point, and the mother will be required to
pay child support.




yeah right Paul........ you really think the system would do that?
lol
(make the mother pay support)

I should have said 'ordered'.......they will order CS from the mom,
but
doubtful they would enforce it.

Ok.... that I can agree with. Doesn't matter....... the daughter makes
no
money...... I think there would be no support ordered. But really, it
is
irrevelent. Do you see another situation where family court is going
to do bad things to a family? I sure do. Money is going to destroy
another childs life. Sad.

It is already being destroyed by a sick grandmother who only thinks of
herself. The father has a lot going for himself, the child currently
resides in a highly dysfunctional household with a mentaly unstable
mother
and grandmother.


Trust Paul to get to the crux of the problem.

Christine


Apparently you suck too.............

Original. Very original. Why bash on Christine because she pointed out
Paul's ability to get to the crux?

T

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Subject: what do you think?
From: 'Kate
Date: 11/15/2004 3:36 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:28:04 -0500, "Tiffany"
wrote:

You suck! lol

T

Oh god.. I hope he does!

yeah but I've heard he sucks at sucking don't waist yer time, he'll
leave ya
hanging, and god that sucks !
AS does our situation, which sucks that these two suckers had to take
it off
topic in thier sucky sucked up way. Ya know whether or not I am
metally ill
(which I am not) or my daughter is mentally ill , we love this baby
with all
our hearts, Paul has disliked me from day one and I really don't care,
I
expected him to be the asshole he is. Tomorrow we will fight the fight
many
parents have fought, It is heart breaking to everyone , If my daughter
losses
her baby because of her mental health, I will hurt for her as any
mother would
for thier childs pain, Is it possible, yeah it is, it hurts, it hurts a
lot,
and it sucks that Paul and Tiff suck and you are so hard up for it you
lost
compassion. So if "What you think" about what is happening for us is
you pray
to a god you don't believe in that Paul "sucks"
Well thanks for your advice Kate, but I'm sucked fine , he is all
yours.


'K

What the hell is your problem? Paul commented to me that he was going to
the islands for the new year and I said he sucks. There was no sexual
innuendo there..... Kate made the extra comment. He did not take it off
topic, he told you exactly how he felt. That hurt I am sure but his
thinking might be the JUDGES thinking too. Better get use to it.


You have to remember...'it is all about her' which is the crux of the
problem......she hads never been motivated by what is best for her
daughter or grandaughter.......it is only what is best for her.

T

Yeah I've sure noticed that as well.


But all she sees is I somehow 'hate' her.....(I think it is a 'little bit'
of projection on her part)



Christine

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Hi all that are aware of our situation. A turn of events hit our
household last
night when we picked up the mail. Seems after almost 11 months,
and two weeks

[snip]

It's seems possible to me that the paternal grandparents are not
materialistic and are petitioning with genuine intentions for the
sake
of the baby.

Your daughter does not seem fit to be a mother right now.

If you feel you are fit, perhaps you should try and adopt the
baby.

Karen

That is not an option because it would require consent from the
father.

I would say it is better than 50/50 odds that primary custody will
be awarded to father at this point, and the mother will be required
to pay child support.




yeah right Paul........ you really think the system would do that?
lol (make the mother pay support)

I should have said 'ordered'.......they will order CS from the mom,
but doubtful they would enforce it.




How you doing by the way?

Hanging in there........doing lots of chauffeur work LOL.

Looking forward to New Yeas in the Carribean again :-)


Can I come? ~bats eyelashes~

You trying to make Tiff jealous again? LOL


Ok, compromise, bring us both. lol

That is not a compromise....that is a death wish LO



How would an old guy like me keep up with both of you two young things?
;-)




Viagra and heart meds.

T