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Old February 28th 10, 10:24 PM posted to misc.kids.health
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A Tipping Point For Homeopathy?
Tag it:?Sunday, 21 February 2010

A landmark paper on homeopathy and cancer has appeared in the February
2010 issue of the International Journal of Oncology. Scientists at the
University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center (MDA), led by Moshe Frenkel,
MD, have confirmed the ability of four homeopathic remedies to induce
apoptosis (programmed cell death) in breast cancer cell lines in the
laboratory. The scientists in question were from the Integrative Medicine
Program, the Department of Molecular Pathology, and the Department of
Melanoma Medical Oncology of MDA. Their two Indian collaborators were from
the Banerji Homeopathic Research Foundation, Kolkata, India, where these
same remedies are employed clinically with apparent success. The four
ultra-dilute remedies in question were Carcinosin, Phytolacca, Conium and
Thuja.


"The remedies exerted preferential cytotoxic effects against the two
breast cancer cell lines, causing cell cycle delay/arrest and apoptosis" the
authors wrote.


It was particularly interesting that the cell-killing effects of two
of the remedies investigated in this study, Carcinosin and Phytolacca,
appeared similar to the activity of paclitaxel (Taxol), the most commonly
used chemotherapeutic drug for breast cancer, when it was tested in the same
two adenocarcinoma cell lines investigated in this study.



Phytolacca is better known as pokeweed root, which grows as a towering
weed in the US and elsewhere. Conium maculatum is poison hemlock, while
Thuja occidentalis comes from the Eastern Arborvitae tree. Carcinosin is the
only non-botanical in the group. It is made from a highly diluted extract of
breast cancer tissue. These are typically used at the Banerjis' clinic in
India to treat breast cancer. The use of poisonous plants to treat cancer,
while unusual, is not necessarily controversial. Madagascar periwinkle, for
instance, yields the familiar vinca alkaloids--vincristine and vinblastine.
The aforementioned paclitaxel (Taxol) is derived from the bark of the
Pacific Yew tree.


Even the use of a cancer tissue extract might be explained in
immunological terms. No, what makes these remedies highly unusual is the
degree to which they have been diluted. These are given in the Frenkel
article as follows: Carcinosin, 30C; Conium maculatum, 3C; Phytolacca
decandra, 200C and Thuja occidentalis, 30C.






The "C" Number




What exactly does this "C" number mean? It is indication of the
dilution of the active ingredient in an inert medium such as water. Thus, a
"3C" dilution means that there is one molecule of an herb like Conicum
maculatum in one million molecules of inert medium. It is theoretically
possible that a medicine could consist of just one part of a chemical in a
million molecules of inert liquid. For instance, we know that the Food and
Drug Administration (FDA) has set a limit of 2 ppm for polychlorinated
biphenols (PCBs) in fish (two parts of PCBs per million parts of fish
tissue, per Maxim, 1984).


But as the "C" number rises, so does the dilution. Samuel Hahnemann,
MD, the 19th century inventor of homeopathy, used 30C dilutions for many
diseases. This means that there is 1 molecule in "10 to the minus sixty"
molecules of inert solvent. On average, this means you would have to give
two billion doses of a 30C remedy per second to 6 billion people for 4
billion years in order to deliver a single molecule of the original material
to any patient!













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Old February 28th 10, 10:32 PM posted to misc.kids.health
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john wrote:
A Tipping Point For Homeopathy?
Tag it:?Sunday, 21 February 2010

A landmark paper on homeopathy and cancer has appeared in the February
2010 issue of the International Journal of Oncology. Scientists at the
University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center (MDA), led by Moshe Frenkel,
MD, have confirmed the ability of four homeopathic remedies to induce
apoptosis (programmed cell death) in breast cancer cell lines in the
laboratory.


Tipping into the garbage, maybe. The paper basically shows that ethanol
kills cells. Nothing new there.

Jeff


crap deleted

PS, you can paste the same crap over and over again, but it still stinks
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Old February 28th 10, 10:46 PM posted to misc.kids.health
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On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 21:24:33 -0000, "john" wrote:

A landmark paper on homeopathy and cancer has appeared in the February
2010 issue of the International Journal of Oncology.


You tipped this once before. The comments made on it then still
remain unanswered.

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Old February 28th 10, 10:54 PM posted to misc.kids.health
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http://www.cancerdecisions.com/conte.../lang,english/


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Old February 28th 10, 11:04 PM posted to misc.kids.health
Peter Parry
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On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 21:54:01 -0000, "john" wrote:

http://www.cancerdecisions.com/


Yes, you posted that before as well. You still have not answered any
of the questions raised however. In particular why the Banerjis have
never produced verifiable proof of their claims despite them
supposedly having overcome the apparent problem with homeopathy of
having to make each nostrum uniquely for each client.


 




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