Beating Kids With Ball Bats

On Sun, 20 May 2007 01:11:13 GMT, "Mike Painter"
wrote:

Bible Bob wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2007 05:08:30 GMT, "Mike Painter"
wrote:

Bible Bob wrote:
snip
Maybe someone on another soap box has some better solutions. From
my perspective the solution for "Christian" parents is to learn to
do things God's way. Unbelievers (and carnal Christians) are going
to do what they do until Child Protective Services Employees become
gun carrying law enforcement officers.

Absolutely. Genesis gives us a lot of rules.
20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long
upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
So if a child dies either it did not honor it's parents or this god
lies.

21:7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall
not go out as the menservants do.
It's OK to seel your kids but daughteres have less value.

21:17 And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be
put to death.

22:29 Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits,
and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto
me.

Naturally the salad bar christian will have explanations as to why
this *really* does not apply to the christian, but it is from the
same place the ten commanments come from.

Mikey,

The problem is that the entire Old Covenant was written to Israel; not
the church of God which lives under the New Covenant. The ten
commandments were addressed to Israel beause they are in the Old
Covenant. The Old Covenanat Laws were written to carnal man. The New
Covenant was written to spiritual man.

Right on cue. Ignore what Christ said about it, and only quote OT when it
suits you.
Christ said *specifically* that the law was still in effect. Where
specifically did he enumarate the parts you can ignore?

Mikey,

Duh! Jesus spoke that while the law was still in effect. Duh! Jesus
was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Duh! The Gospels
complete the Old Testament and are not pat of the New Covenant. What
Jesus spoke He spoke to those under the Law while the Law was in
effect. The Law is still in effect for Israel "to whom" it was
written. It was not written "to" the church of God. The "Law"
remains in effect for Israel until Jesus assumes control of the
kingdom.

Maybe you should learn some Bible; learn to read it for yourself
rather than trying to parrot the teachings of those you cherry pick
for false doctrines to propogate on Usenet. What ever happened to
honest atheists. Oh, I forgot; you are an anti-theist, not a true
atheist.

On Sun, 20 May 2007 01:14:35 GMT, "Mike Painter"
wrote:

Bible Bob wrote:
On 19 May 2007 10:54:26 -0700, firemonkey
wrote:


Can you dudes take your bible thumping arguments elsewhere?
This is not the place, TY
firemonkey

Firemonkey,

It is on topic in all of the groups in the header.

BB

Which shows you who did the crossposting.

I would normally snip groups but it is important for people to seed how
BBrain and the other fundies here think.

All of them claim to be right, none of them agree with each other and all
use the same tool as their weapon.
If they had their way this country would make Iraq's religious wars look
like a play yard.
They did it in the past.
These people do more for atheism than we could ever do.

Which shows that you can not read headers. All of the groups are on
topic for the post. Here, read the address line
"free.christians,alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.parenting.spanking"

On 19 May 2007 18:54:04 -0700, "~(Hey,
WhaddyaKnow?JesusSaysI'mAWhosoeverToo!)~"
wrote:

On May 19, 6:11 pm, "Mike Painter" wrote:

Right on cue. Ignore what Christ said about it, and only quote OT when it
suits you.

Personally, I've never understood those who claim to be Christians,
yet feel they have a God-given right and reason to ignore the OT; as
if God had changed His mind. BB falls dangerously close into the
category of heretic with this and other teachings and beliefs he
touts. (Maybe it's not completely his fault; he is a former cultist,
after all - and then, maybe not so former) Nonetheless, his
"teachings" are so far off the mark at times they would be laughable
if they weren't so tragic.

You could understand spiritual matters if you would allow the spirit
of God a little breathing room in your life. Of course it doesn't
hurt to be able to do something called reading. The you would be able
to understand what words like "Hear O Israel" or maybe the really hard
to understand "The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by
Malachi." (Mal 1:1). You might then learn how to understand the wors
of Jesus as in the cae where He said "I am not sent but unto the lost
sheep of the house of Israel. " (Mat 15:24).

You claim to be a Christian; why don't you act like one? Your lust
for women and the spiritual influences that cause that lust cause you
to rationalize too much.

Let's just look at the silliness of some of your statements above.

(1) Personally, I've never understood those who claim to be
Christians

That is because it takes a Christian to love a Christian. A Christian
is a disciple of Christ. You are not a disciple of Christ because
your allegiance is to your lusts which are contrary to Christ. You
lack the discipline to be a disciple. Your lusts for your woman god
and self gratification have preeminence over Christ in your life. You
have much potential but waste it because of your own selfish desires.
Ever read the verse where it says "Flee fornication"? Maybe if you
fled fornication and ran to Christ you could know and understand your
brothers and sisters in Christ.

(2) yet feel they have a God-given right and reason to ignore the OT

Well, all people do have a God-given right to ignore the words in the
different books of the Bible. It is called free will. If you were
not so heavily into bondage, you would be able to understand that
concept. But those who keep slaves or are slaves have trouble
understanding the concept of freedom.

(3) as if God had changed His mind

You claimed to be a minister of God but fail to understand the basic
concept of foreknowledge. "Change His mind," indeed. There is no
need to change a mind that is already made up. And speaking of "made
up" your "made up" doctrines don't cut the mustard. You might want to
spend less time attacking me and more time learning what the Bible
says which you will be able to do as soon as you flee fornication. God
is not going to teach you His word so long as you are hell bent on
wrongly dividing it to rationalize your own lusts.

(4) BB falls dangerously close into the category of heretic with this
and other teachings and beliefs he touts.

And just how many times in the past year or two have you been able to
prove what I have said to be wrong from the Scriptures? None. Since,
what I have written is in harmony with the Scriptures and what you
have written is not in harmony with the Scriptures; you are the
heretic.

(5) (Maybe it's not completely his fault; he is a former cultist,
after all - and then, maybe not so former)

That is called a deliberate lie. Did you notice steps you took to get
to this low point? I enumerated them for you in the numbered
statements.

(6) Nonetheless, his "teachings" are so far off the mark at times
they would be laughable if they weren't so tragic.

Yet in the past couple of years you have not been able to prove even
one thing I wrote to be wrong. You show is a hypocrite and a liar.

That, along with his megalomaniacal and sadistic need to control and
convince others that they can't possibly know the Bible as well as he
(because he holds the secrets to decoding it), makes his words and
behaviors here decidedly anti-Christ. He does NOT represent
Christianity and certainly not Christ, no matter how much he likes to
label himself a reconciler and Christian Ambassador.

You are the control freak, not me. It is you who tie up silly women
in sin so that they and you can not do the will of the Lord. I have
no need control or convince others that they can not know the Bible.
Only a fool or a liar would make such a stupid statement. You made
it. I try to share what I have learned hoping that others may learn
something that proftits them. I have never said anything about
holding the secret codes. I have said that I know how to read the
Bible and that I do understand many of the research principles
involved in its study.

Your hysteria is proof that you are presenting falsehoods. A decent
honest woman grounded in Christ would not need to make all of the
ridiculous allegations you make. Your hysteeria is proof that you are
becoming more and more reprobate and that your mind is becoming more
and more seared by a hot iron as a result of your idolatry to the
women you worship - yes, I said women. You fool no one (other than
the women you use and abuse).

You do not represent Christ. Christ was not into homosexuality and
did not promote it as god as you do. I may not be perfect, but your
allegations of antichrist are pathetic since my posts prove just the
opposite. I did not label myself. I know you hate God and His words;
but it was God that gave me the ministry of reconcilation so that I
could attempt to reconcile people to God with the word of
reconcilation he gave me (and all the rest of His children).

2Co 5:17-21 KJV
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creatu old
things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by
Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto
himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed
unto us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech
you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we
might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Don't take your hatred for God and Christ out on me. I didn't write
the book. It was Gid that said fornication is a no no; not me.

Christ said *specifically* that the law was still in effect. Where
specifically did he enumarate the parts you can ignore?

I'd like to see that, too.

I already explained it in another response.

In article , Bible
Bob declared...
On Sun, 20 May 2007 01:14:35 GMT, "Mike Painter"
wrote:

Bible Bob wrote:
On 19 May 2007 10:54:26 -0700, firemonkey
wrote:


Can you dudes take your bible thumping arguments elsewhere?
This is not the place, TY
firemonkey

Firemonkey,

It is on topic in all of the groups in the header.

BB

Which shows you who did the crossposting.

I would normally snip groups but it is important for people to seed how
BBrain and the other fundies here think.

All of them claim to be right, none of them agree with each other and all
use the same tool as their weapon.
If they had their way this country would make Iraq's religious wars look
like a play yard.
They did it in the past.
These people do more for atheism than we could ever do.

Which shows that you can not read headers. All of the groups are on
topic for the post. Here, read the address line
"free.christians,alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.parenting.spanking"


Bible Bob,

Could you do me a little favor? Please reread what Mike wrote and
explain to me why you think that it shows he cannot read headers.
If upon, rereading you decide that it does not show that, please
feel free to respond to his message again, this time with a post
that makes a little more sense.

Thanks.


--
Greg
----
http://www.spencerbooksellers.com
greg00 -at- spencersoft -dot- com

On Sun, 20 May 2007 06:12:54 GMT, Gregory A Greenman
wrote:

In article , Bible
Bob declared...
On Sun, 20 May 2007 01:14:35 GMT, "Mike Painter"
wrote:

Bible Bob wrote:
On 19 May 2007 10:54:26 -0700, firemonkey
wrote:


Can you dudes take your bible thumping arguments elsewhere?
This is not the place, TY
firemonkey

Firemonkey,

It is on topic in all of the groups in the header.

BB

Which shows you who did the crossposting.

I would normally snip groups but it is important for people to seed how
BBrain and the other fundies here think.

All of them claim to be right, none of them agree with each other and all
use the same tool as their weapon.
If they had their way this country would make Iraq's religious wars look
like a play yard.
They did it in the past.
These people do more for atheism than we could ever do.

Which shows that you can not read headers. All of the groups are on
topic for the post. Here, read the address line
"free.christians,alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.parenting.spanking"


Bible Bob,

Could you do me a little favor? Please reread what Mike wrote and
explain to me why you think that it shows he cannot read headers.
If upon, rereading you decide that it does not show that, please
feel free to respond to his message again, this time with a post
that makes a little more sense.

Thanks.

Gregory,

The original post was on topic in the groups I posted to (in my
opinion). It became a "religious" discussion in subsequent posts. So,
if one is to consider the responses to be off topic; then it was I who
was wrong.

Bible Bob wrote:

"in my opinion"
This sums up BB. Never mind what other say or think.

Bible Bob wrote:
Duh! Jesus spoke that while the law was still in effect. Duh! Jesus
was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Duh! The Gospels
complete the Old Testament and are not pat of the New Covenant. What
Jesus spoke He spoke to those under the Law while the Law was in
effect. The Law is still in effect for Israel "to whom" it was
written. It was not written "to" the church of God. The "Law"
remains in effect for Israel until Jesus assumes control of the
kingdom.

Maybe you should learn some Bible; learn to read it for yourself
rather than trying to parrot the teachings of those you cherry pick
for false doctrines to propogate on Usenet. What ever happened to
honest atheists. Oh, I forgot; you are an anti-theist, not a true
atheist.

I guess the world has ended then, otherwisw it would seem either you or
Matthew

Matthew 5:18-19
Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle shall nowise pass from the
law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these
least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in
the kingdom of heaven.

On Mon, 21 May 2007 04:42:48 GMT, "Mike Painter"
wrote:

Bible Bob wrote:
Duh! Jesus spoke that while the law was still in effect. Duh! Jesus
was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Duh! The Gospels
complete the Old Testament and are not pat of the New Covenant. What
Jesus spoke He spoke to those under the Law while the Law was in
effect. The Law is still in effect for Israel "to whom" it was
written. It was not written "to" the church of God. The "Law"
remains in effect for Israel until Jesus assumes control of the
kingdom.

Maybe you should learn some Bible; learn to read it for yourself
rather than trying to parrot the teachings of those you cherry pick
for false doctrines to propogate on Usenet. What ever happened to
honest atheists. Oh, I forgot; you are an anti-theist, not a true
atheist.

I guess the world has ended then, otherwisw it would seem either you or
Matthew

Matthew 5:18-19
Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle shall nowise pass from the
law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these
least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in
the kingdom of heaven.

Spoken to the Jews "to whom" the kingdom of heaven and the Law apply.

Bible Bob wrote:
On Mon, 21 May 2007 04:42:48 GMT, "Mike Painter"
wrote:

Bible Bob wrote:
Duh! Jesus spoke that while the law was still in effect. Duh!
Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Duh! The
Gospels complete the Old Testament and are not pat of the New
Covenant. What Jesus spoke He spoke to those under the Law while
the Law was in effect. The Law is still in effect for Israel "to
whom" it was written. It was not written "to" the church of God.
The "Law" remains in effect for Israel until Jesus assumes control
of the kingdom.

Maybe you should learn some Bible; learn to read it for yourself
rather than trying to parrot the teachings of those you cherry pick
for false doctrines to propogate on Usenet. What ever happened to
honest atheists. Oh, I forgot; you are an anti-theist, not a true
atheist.

I guess the world has ended then, otherwisw it would seem either you
or Matthew

Matthew 5:18-19
Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle shall nowise pass from
the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one
of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be
called the least in the kingdom of heaven.

Spoken to the Jews "to whom" the kingdom of heaven and the Law apply.

As I said, you pick and choose to find the answer you want.
You even quote the OT to support your arguments when it suits you.

Do we throw out all of Matthew?
Just that chapter?
Or maybe just that chapter and the next?

I can see why you'd want to toss Chapter five, you certainly are not meek.
5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

Mike Painter wrote:
Bible Bob wrote:
On Mon, 21 May 2007 04:42:48 GMT, "Mike Painter"
wrote:

Bible Bob wrote:
Duh! Jesus spoke that while the law was still in effect. Duh!
Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Duh! The
Gospels complete the Old Testament and are not pat of the New
Covenant. What Jesus spoke He spoke to those under the Law while
the Law was in effect. The Law is still in effect for Israel "to
whom" it was written. It was not written "to" the church of God.
The "Law" remains in effect for Israel until Jesus assumes control
of the kingdom.

Maybe you should learn some Bible; learn to read it for yourself
rather than trying to parrot the teachings of those you cherry pick
for false doctrines to propogate on Usenet. What ever happened to
honest atheists. Oh, I forgot; you are an anti-theist, not a true
atheist.

I guess the world has ended then, otherwisw it would seem either you
or Matthew

Matthew 5:18-19
Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle shall nowise pass from
the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one
of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be
called the least in the kingdom of heaven.

Spoken to the Jews "to whom" the kingdom of heaven and the Law apply.

Follow up.
BB claims Jesus was preaching to only the Jews in Matthew 5.
However in 4:12, we have,
4:12 Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed
into Galilee;

and 4:15 tells us that Galilee is of the gentiles.
4:15 The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea,
beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles;

The last verse tells us that people from all over followed him, including
people from Galilee
4:25 And there followed him great multitudes of people from Galilee, and
from Decapolis, and from Jerusalem, and from Judaea, and from beyond Jordan.

Odd that the writers of chapter five didn't bother to add the part where
Jesus told the multitude that gentiles were not included in his speech.

But BB will make more excuses and tell us another story.


As I said, you pick and choose to find the answer you want.
You even quote the OT to support your arguments when it suits you.

Do we throw out all of Matthew?
Just that chapter?
Or maybe just that chapter and the next?

I can see why you'd want to toss Chapter five, you certainly are not
meek. 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.