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The Rod must RETURN!
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If you are tired of the "hands-off" approach of parents, teachers, and many others concerning discipline, you need to say so! If you are tired of prisoners being treated like hotel guests instead of being treated as criminals, you need to say so! If you are tired of the cruel and unusal punishment innocent people endure because of the ABSENCE of corporal punishment being used in the criminal justice system, you need to say so! http://www.angelfire.com/extreme2/cp/rod/ |
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E.P. wrote:
: http://www.angelfire.com/extreme2/cp/rod/ Aside from providing spanking fetishists (such as the notorious Charles Gleason and several other members with spanko-related stuff in their online profiles) with a way to meet each other, what exactly does your organization *do*? Chris |
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Papaioannou wrote:
Countries that have banned corporal punishment have MORE incidents of real child not to mention juvenile crimes. You are sorely mistaken, Papaioannou. Countries that have banned corporal punishment have far fewer incidents of juvenile crime than is experienced in the US. Now, since you made the challenge, let's see your evidence. Whether they have "MORE incidents of real child" is open to debate. I'm not sure whether being a "REAL child" is more prevalent in countries that have banned or permitted corporal punishment. Perhaps you could enlighten the ng. Cruel punishment is to put someone in a prison with dangerous criminals for a minor offence! Of course it is. Who was talking about this and what does this have to do with the subject of your post? LaVonne ? "LaVonne Carlson" ?????? ??? ?????? ... "E.P." wrote: If you are tired of the "hands-off" approach of parents, teachers, and many others concerning discipline, you need to say so! I haven't noticed a "hands off" approach. Corporal punishment by parents of minor children under the age of 18 is legal in every US state. Corporal punishment in schools is legal in approximately 23 states, and more and more states are seeking to once again reinstate the practice of children being hit by school officials in the name of discipline. This is hardly a hands off approach. Many European countries have legally banned corporal punishment, and all have fewer incidents of violent crime than experienced in the US. If you are tired of prisoners being treated like hotel guests instead of being treated as criminals, you need to say so! You've been staying in some strange hotels, E.P. I'd demand my money back if I were you. If you are tired of the cruel and unusal punishment innocent people endure because of the ABSENCE of corporal punishment being used in the criminal justice system, you need to say so! Now here's an interesting statement. Innocent people are enduring cruel and unusual punishment as a result of no corporal punishment in the criminal justice system. What, pray tell, does this mean? LaVonne |
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Papaioannou wrote: I meant of real child ABUSE since the parent in a 100% angry rage results in a fit to corporal punishment something better done when calm than like a lost lunatic. Oh, that is what you meant. Thanks for clarifying. Regardless of what one is attempting to do, I suspect it is generally better to be calm than a "lost lunatic." I do find something chilling about people who can advocate calmly looking into the eyes of a little child and raising his/her hand and hitting the body of that little child in the name of discipline. I suspect a child would understand a parent loosing his/her temper before he/she understands calm and calculated cruelty and humiliation. I also pity the adult who has so few parenting resources that he/she believes this behavior is a necessary and acceptable part of parenting. But do you people really care about the children's good.? I'm not "you people" -- I am one person. I cannot respond for whoever "you people" may be. I can only responsibly respond for myself. Yes, I care about "children's good." It's one of the reasons I attempt to educate future teachers and parents in child development and alternative and more appropriate ways to raise, teach, and discipline children. I think NOT! All you care about is to pass your little anti-God parenting theories which have destroyed millions of families since that evil Dr Spock or whatever appeared. God have mercy on his soul! Please become informed. The "evil Dr. Spock" that you refer to did not denounce the practice of corporal punishment until shortly before his death. Dr. Spock accepted the practice for the vast majority of his literary and professional life. Good grief -- learn before making such ridiculous statements. Respecting children and not hurting them in the name of discipline is not anti-God. It's pro-Jesus. Show me any words in the NT where Jesus advocates hitting and hurting children in the name of discipline. LaVonne Ï "Papaioannou" ?ãñáøå óôï ì?íõìá .. . Countries that have banned corporal punishment have MORE incidents of real child not to mention juvenile crimes. Cruel punishment is to put someone in a prison with dangerous criminals for a minor offence! WAKE UP! ? "LaVonne Carlson" ?????? ??? ?????? ... "E.P." wrote: If you are tired of the "hands-off" approach of parents, teachers, and many others concerning discipline, you need to say so! I haven't noticed a "hands off" approach. Corporal punishment by parents of minor children under the age of 18 is legal in every US state. Corporal punishment in schools is legal in approximately 23 states, and more and more states are seeking to once again reinstate the practice of children being hit by school officials in the name of discipline. This is hardly a hands off approach. Many European countries have legally banned corporal punishment, and all have fewer incidents of violent crime than experienced in the US. If you are tired of prisoners being treated like hotel guests instead of being treated as criminals, you need to say so! You've been staying in some strange hotels, E.P. I'd demand my money back if I were you. If you are tired of the cruel and unusal punishment innocent people endure because of the ABSENCE of corporal punishment being used in the criminal justice system, you need to say so! Now here's an interesting statement. Innocent people are enduring cruel and unusual punishment as a result of no corporal punishment in the criminal justice system. What, pray tell, does this mean? LaVonne |
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Posted with Newsforce for Windows CE Vote Bush for President in 2004! Vote Arnold Schwarzenegger for CA governor in 2003! ---------- "Papaioannou" wrote... Countries that have banned corporal punishment have MORE incidents of real child not to mention juvenile crimes. Cruel punishment is to put someone in a prison with dangerous criminals for a minor offence! WAKE UP! I agree. Spanking must return to the home, to schools, and to prisons. ? "LaVonne Carlson" ?????? ??? ?????? ... "E.P." wrote: If you are tired of the "hands-off" approach of parents, teachers, and many others concerning discipline, you need to say so! I haven't noticed a "hands off" approach. Corporal punishment by parents of minor children under the age of 18 is legal in every US state. Corporal punishment in schools is legal in approximately 23 states, and more and more states are seeking to once again reinstate the practice of children being hit by school officials in the name of discipline. This is hardly a hands off approach. Many European countries have legally banned corporal punishment, and all have fewer incidents of violent crime than experienced in the US. If you are tired of prisoners being treated like hotel guests instead of being treated as criminals, you need to say so! You've been staying in some strange hotels, E.P. I'd demand my money back if I were you. If you are tired of the cruel and unusal punishment innocent people endure because of the ABSENCE of corporal punishment being used in the criminal justice system, you need to say so! Now here's an interesting statement. Innocent people are enduring cruel and unusual punishment as a result of no corporal punishment in the criminal justice system. What, pray tell, does this mean? LaVonne |
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"LaVonne Carlson" wrote in message ... Papaioannou wrote: Countries that have banned corporal punishment have MORE incidents of real child not to mention juvenile crimes. You are sorely mistaken, Papaioannou. Countries that have banned corporal punishment have far fewer incidents of juvenile crime than is experienced in the US. Now, since you made the challenge, let's see your evidence. Lavone, you migh want to qualify that statement. Those countries are experienceing a rising number of incidents of child crime, from their historic lows. No country, anywhere, has ever had as high a crime rate as the United States, and that has absolutely nothing to do with spanking. It has to do with poverty, a free society, social inequities, and a whole plethora of other things, but spanking cannot be counted among them. Historically, corporal punishment has been a staple of child rearing. 20,000 years or more of parents correcting inappropriate behaviors by using natures own behavior modification system. And it has worked. We are where we are as a species because we use those methods that prove reliable, and those things that are a natural part of being human. Pain is the best behavior modifier ever known. It is built into the human body and we depend on it every minute of every day to tell us when we are doing something that we should not be doing. It works, period. Always has, always will. 20,000 years of testing, and while its not quite perfect, as nothing is, it is effective. The auspices of psychology cannot say the same thing. They are still in the infant / testing stage of their theories in comparison. There are many theories and studies out there, but none can say with certainty, or anything close to it, that the methods they recommend are as or more effective. Psychologists stumble and bumble around, trying to understand the human mind, pronouncing findings from short term studies, as if they actually know what they are talking about. But, when one is finally pined down without any wiggle room, they all admit that their theories are just that, theories. Unproven, and unproveable. But the individuals that post to these news groups sure feel free to make the claim of fact. You can argue that what I say above is incorrect, but not credibly. Not until your theories have had 20,000 + years in which to be studied and tested. Give me a call when they get to that point, we can discuss it then. Until then, you can babble all you like, it just wont mean anything. Ron Whether they have "MORE incidents of real child" is open to debate. I'm not sure whether being a "REAL child" is more prevalent in countries that have banned or permitted corporal punishment. Perhaps you could enlighten the ng. Cruel punishment is to put someone in a prison with dangerous criminals for a minor offence! Of course it is. Who was talking about this and what does this have to do with the subject of your post? LaVonne ? "LaVonne Carlson" ?????? ??? ?????? ... "E.P." wrote: If you are tired of the "hands-off" approach of parents, teachers, and many others concerning discipline, you need to say so! I haven't noticed a "hands off" approach. Corporal punishment by parents of minor children under the age of 18 is legal in every US state. Corporal punishment in schools is legal in approximately 23 states, and more and more states are seeking to once again reinstate the practice of children being hit by school officials in the name of discipline. This is hardly a hands off approach. Many European countries have legally banned corporal punishment, and all have fewer incidents of violent crime than experienced in the US. If you are tired of prisoners being treated like hotel guests instead of being treated as criminals, you need to say so! You've been staying in some strange hotels, E.P. I'd demand my money back if I were you. If you are tired of the cruel and unusal punishment innocent people endure because of the ABSENCE of corporal punishment being used in the criminal justice system, you need to say so! Now here's an interesting statement. Innocent people are enduring cruel and unusual punishment as a result of no corporal punishment in the criminal justice system. What, pray tell, does this mean? LaVonne |
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