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Refuse CPS Services?
greg also forgot to mention his two convictions for domestic violence
and how many times rentors had to sue him to get their money, huge indicators of instability. Lets talk about you greg. For instance making your girlfriends daughter take cold showers for wetting her pants, of course while you supervised. Putting her outside on a freezing Iowa winter day with no shoes or coat? Your harrassment of any parent who comes to this boads that had their children returned to them. Firemonkey On Jun 12, 4:45 am, Dragon's Girl wrote: On Jun 12, 3:49 am, Greegor wrote: On Jun 10, 10:41 pm, Dragon's Girl wrote: On Jun 10, 3:55 pm, Greegor wrote: On Jun 10, 4:49 pm, Dragon's Girl wrote: On Jun 10, 12:42 pm, Greegor wrote: Ah, the system sucks don't want you to know what your rights are. CPS generally does not have a legal right to prevent you from leaving the state unless they get a COURT ORDER. If there is a state law in TX that extends their power as the system sucks have described, let's see it! I don't recall seeing anyone lead this guy down the path but you. We have used phrases like 'may be illegal' and 'consult an attorney'. What have you offered except a hunk of 'do whatcha wanna do and dare 'em to stop ya'? If you look up Betty's own story of skipping state you will see that she was NOT unfounded before she left. You are incorrect Greg. An allegation was made that I was not feeding my three week old daughter. The worker investigated at my home and noted that she found used bottles in the sink that hadn't been there for very long. (obvious by the fact that they were mostly empty but not soured) She advised me to take the baby to the Trauma Satellite for a physical. The attending physician there refused to comply with the worker's request to write up a neglect report because he said that he could see no signs of neglect other than the child was underweight. Specifically he cited that her mouth was moist and skin in good condition...meaning she wasn't dehydrated and so she had obviously been fed in recent days, her diaper was wet when he opened it, and he made a huge point of pointing out that unlike other babies her age, she did not have the bald spot on the back of her head from being left to lay and cry...in fact, her hair was completely in tact there. She was transferred to a hospital and admitted, and tests begun to find out why she constantly spit up most of her bottle. The worker didn't like the 'no neglect' determination there, so she had her sent to another hospital and admitted. Whoa! How did this caseworker have the legal right to decide where medical care/exams were to be under that circumstance? She was found to have Gastric Reflux...relieved by use of Raglan. Documented fully by the second hospital and undeniable in that once the Raglan was started she no longer threw up, and she began to gain weight rapidly. The ALLEGATION was NEGLECT. Because I had been calling the doctor's office for weeks complaining about the way she vomited (they logged those calls because they were a managed health company), and because I had complained to a county nurse incessantly, and she wrote on her files that I was being 'obsessive' over some 'spit up', and because the Trauma Dr nor the doctors at the two hospitals she was in could find ANY sign of neglect what so ever, only Failure to thrive that was not caused by abuse or neglect, the allegation was coded UNSUBSTANTIATED. Now, I know that 'unsubstantiated' isn't a word in your vocab, but Bud, I gotta tell you, it DOES exist. DFS ASKED me to agree to a service plan after the baby was released from the hospital that would allow them to monitor her progress. I did sign. Most people in that situation would tell them where to stuff it. WHY did you sign? And when the 'monitoring' was no longer needed (and began to look more like interference to me)and the baby hadn't thrown up in quite some time and DFS was still not getting out of the picture and wanted me to sign another I left...no case on my family, the first agreement had expired and I left before they could get a court order to make me stipulate. Just because I did it doesn't mean it was wise, and doesn't mean that everyone should do it. You want people to do as you say, not as you did. Got it! The caseworker was such a FREAK that she would never have unfounded Betty unless she was forced to. Betty agreed to services also, right before she skipped. Or so she said. I have to agree with you about her being a freak. And she certainly wouldn't have ever let go if I hadn't left, but I didn't agree to services 'right before' I left. It was quite some time...if I recall correctly I'm thinking somewhere in the neighborhood of three months. If your caseworker is really suspicious NOW, the additional suspicion they get from you moving might not matter! Like in Betty's stated case, for example, the worker was such a total FREAK that the additional suspicion wouldn't hurt much. Except that you keep forgetting that pesky little TPR he's got. I didn't have one, nor a founded DFS record from either state that I had lived in. It makes a huge difference, but you keep telling him that and when he gets screwed he can thank YOU. In the case where the caseworkers crossed into another state to instigate a case, caseworkers looked like the insane obsessed nut cases they really are. You refuted this thinking I was referring here to YOUR case, when I was referring to a case where two caseworkers actually TRAVELED well into the next state to try to instigate a case. Yes, they did look obsessed and insane. So. You gave up on hounding me about being a bad mommy for hanging out in Sturgis for two hours last summer, and now you turn to yammering about me 'skipping' state with my own kids with no service plan or court order to stop me? Why didn't you tell the new poster what you did Betty? Because I realize in his case that might not be a good idea and didn't want to give the guy ideas about doing something that would cause him to lose his kid forever. Is that ok with you? You want him to do what you say, not what you do, right? Do what I 'say'? Uh huh? What did I 'say' for him to do? I didn't actually TELL the guy to do anything. You're losing it Greg. On the other hand, you DID tell the guy what to do. Hope your advice is sound. But with your track record I kinda feel for the guy if he takes your advice. Betty wrote What next? Going to imply that I'm a whore because I take off all my clothes when I take a bath? LOL Greg wrote Yuck! Like Jabba the Hutt or a Rhino in a bathtub. Betty wrote LOL If you only knew. Your picture's online, remember? Yes, I remember, where's your's Adonis? LOL Bariatric surgery?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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Refuse CPS Services?
On Jun 12, 10:10 am, "0:-]" wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 01:49:44 -0700, Greegor wrote: On Jun 10, 10:41 pm, Dragon's Girl wrote: On Jun 10, 3:55 pm, Greegor wrote: On Jun 10, 4:49 pm, Dragon's Girl wrote: On Jun 10, 12:42 pm, Greegor wrote: Ah, the system sucks don't want you to know what your rights are. CPS generally does not have a legal right to prevent you from leaving the state unless they get a COURT ORDER. If there is a state law in TX that extends their power as the system sucks have described, let's see it! I don't recall seeing anyone lead this guy down the path but you. We have used phrases like 'may be illegal' and 'consult an attorney'. What have you offered except a hunk of 'do whatcha wanna do and dare 'em to stop ya'? If you look up Betty's own story of skipping state you will see that she was NOT unfounded before she left. You are incorrect Greg. An allegation was made that I was not feeding my three week old daughter. The worker investigated at my home and noted that she found used bottles in the sink that hadn't been there for very long. (obvious by the fact that they were mostly empty but not soured) She advised me to take the baby to the Trauma Satellite for a physical. The attending physician there refused to comply with the worker's request to write up a neglect report because he said that he could see no signs of neglect other than the child was underweight. Specifically he cited that her mouth was moist and skin in good condition...meaning she wasn't dehydrated and so she had obviously been fed in recent days, her diaper was wet when he opened it, and he made a huge point of pointing out that unlike other babies her age, she did not have the bald spot on the back of her head from being left to lay and cry...in fact, her hair was completely in tact there. She was transferred to a hospital and admitted, and tests begun to find out why she constantly spit up most of her bottle. The worker didn't like the 'no neglect' determination there, so she had her sent to another hospital and admitted. Whoa! How did this caseworker have the legal right to decide where medical care/exams were to be under that circumstance? Because a health professional reported Betty? She was found to have Gastric Reflux...relieved by use of Raglan. Documented fully by the second hospital and undeniable in that once the Raglan was started she no longer threw up, and she began to gain weight rapidly. The ALLEGATION was NEGLECT. Because I had been calling the doctor's office for weeks complaining about the way she vomited (they logged those calls because they were a managed health company), and because I had complained to a county nurse incessantly, and she wrote on her files that I was being 'obsessive' over some 'spit up', and because the Trauma Dr nor the doctors at the two hospitals she was in could find ANY sign of neglect what so ever, only Failure to thrive that was not caused by abuse or neglect, the allegation was coded UNSUBSTANTIATED. Now, I know that 'unsubstantiated' isn't a word in your vocab, but Bud, I gotta tell you, it DOES exist. DFS ASKED me to agree to a service plan after the baby was released from the hospital that would allow them to monitor her progress. I did sign. Most people in that situation would tell them where to stuff it. WHY did you sign? Different times, different circumstances. Or are you insinuating, yet again, Greg. Everyone but YOU has to be wrong, right? And when the 'monitoring' was no longer needed (and began to look more like interference to me)and the baby hadn't thrown up in quite some time and DFS was still not getting out of the picture and wanted me to sign another I left...no case on my family, the first agreement had expired and I left before they could get a court order to make me stipulate. Just because I did it doesn't mean it was wise, and doesn't mean that everyone should do it. You want people to do as you say, not as you did. Got it! Nope. She points out later that circumstances are different for different people at different times. Do you think there is some formula that will beat CPS? Yours, perhaps? 0:] You seem a bit dysfunctional, or possibly deprived, in the strategy and tactical area. 7years=Greg'sResults. The caseworker was such a FREAK that she would never have unfounded Betty unless she was forced to. Betty agreed to services also, right before she skipped. Or so she said. I have to agree with you about her being a freak. And she certainly wouldn't have ever let go if I hadn't left, but I didn't agree to services 'right before' I left. It was quite some time...if I recall correctly I'm thinking somewhere in the neighborhood of three months. If your caseworker is really suspicious NOW, the additional suspicion they get from you moving might not matter! Like in Betty's stated case, for example, the worker was such a total FREAK that the additional suspicion wouldn't hurt much. Except that you keep forgetting that pesky little TPR he's got. I didn't have one, nor a founded DFS record from either state that I had lived in. It makes a huge difference, but you keep telling him that and when he gets screwed he can thank YOU. In the case where the caseworkers crossed into another state to instigate a case, caseworkers looked like the insane obsessed nut cases they really are. You refuted this thinking I was referring here to YOUR case, when I was referring to a case where two caseworkers actually TRAVELED well into the next state to try to instigate a case. Yes, they did look obsessed and insane. So. You gave up on hounding me about being a bad mommy for hanging out in Sturgis for two hours last summer, and now you turn to yammering about me 'skipping' state with my own kids with no service plan or court order to stop me? Why didn't you tell the new poster what you did Betty? Because I realize in his case that might not be a good idea and didn't want to give the guy ideas about doing something that would cause him to lose his kid forever. Is that ok with you? You want him to do what you say, not what you do, right? Nope. She wants him to consider HIS circumstances, not hers. And you want him, Greg, obviously, to do what you did? How many years has Lisa and her daughter been apart now? Isn't coming up on 7 years next anniversary? You want him to do what you did? Focus on challenging "Evil CPS" for being "Evil" rather than challenging their practice IN THIS CASE? Betty wrote What next? Going to imply that I'm a whore because I take off all my clothes when I take a bath? LOL Greg wrote Yuck! Like Jabba the Hutt or a Rhino in a bathtub. Betty wrote LOL If you only knew. Your picture's online, remember? Bariatric surgery? What did you find particularly Jabba-like about Betty, Greg? Bet you are chicken to put YOUR pic on line, Greg. What a simple little vicious **** you are. Totally predictable, completely transparent, as a fool and evil ****ant yourself. 0:] All I have to say to the original poster is, do NOT take Greg's advice about anything. I will give you a personal example as to why you can NOT trust his advice. He told me to take an illegally obtained recording into the courtroom to challenge our recording laws. That way, I could be arrested so I can commence with the challenging of the law. Now grant you, my cps case was closed..my kids home. We were done. Finished. Over. And here comes super intelligent Greg suggesting I get myself arrested, in the courtroom, which would open myself and my family up to another round with cps. Yeah, he's sure a brilliant one, alright. |
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Refuse CPS Services?
Betty reported the caseworker directed medical care, switching to
another hospital Greg wrote Whoa! How did this caseworker have the legal right to decide where medical care/exams were to be under that circumstance? Kane wrote Because a health professional reported Betty? Some desk sitter at County Health characterized her concerns as "obsessive" about spitups. Were they going for the Munchausens By Proxy angle or what? But this doesn't explain how a CPS caseworker had any legal authority to direct medical care. She had NO court removal order, no strong evidence, and as it turns out mostly just a huge ATTITUDE. So what legal authority was she acting on when she directed the medical care be SWITCHED? Did you wonder that at the time, Betty? She was found to have Gastric Reflux...relieved by use of Raglan. Documented fully by the second hospital and undeniable in that once the Raglan was started she no longer threw up, and she began to gain weight rapidly. The ALLEGATION was NEGLECT. Because I had been calling the doctor's office for weeks complaining about the way she vomited (they logged those calls because they were a managed health company), and because I had complained to a county nurse incessantly, and she wrote on her files that I was being 'obsessive' over some 'spit up', and because the Trauma Dr nor the doctors at the two hospitals she was in could find ANY sign of neglect what so ever, only Failure to thrive that was not caused by abuse or neglect, the allegation was coded UNSUBSTANTIATED. Now, I know that 'unsubstantiated' isn't a word in your vocab, but Bud, I gotta tell you, it DOES exist. DFS ASKED me to agree to a service plan after the baby was released from the hospital that would allow them to monitor her progress. I did sign. Most people in that situation would tell them where to stuff it. WHY did you sign? Different times, different circumstances. Or are you insinuating, yet again, Greg. Everyone but YOU has to be wrong, right? When bureaucrats try to intrude, overrule and override parents they had better have much more than an aire of superiority. Presuming caseworkers are actually more competent than parents could be a tragic mistake! And when the 'monitoring' was no longer needed (and began to look more like interference to me)and the baby hadn't thrown up in quite some time and DFS was still not getting out of the picture and wanted me to sign another I left...no case on my family, the first agreement had expired and I left before they could get a court order to make me stipulate. Just because I did it doesn't mean it was wise, and doesn't mean that everyone should do it. You want people to do as you say, not as you did. Got it! Nope. She points out later that circumstances are different for different people at different times. Was the posters explanation so detailed you could determine that FOR THEM? Do you think there is some formula that will beat CPS? Yours, perhaps? 0:] It's really up to the the poor poster (under siege from CPS) and their ""highly competent, highly motivated"" public pretender isn't it now? You seem a bit dysfunctional, or possibly deprived, in the strategy and tactical area. You seem like a Megalomaniac former caseworker. 7years=Greg'sResults. A little off on the math there. Is that an ADHD symptom, or did you take too much medication? The caseworker was such a FREAK that she would never have unfounded Betty unless she was forced to. Betty agreed to services also, right before she skipped. Or so she said. I have to agree with you about her being a freak. And she certainly wouldn't have ever let go if I hadn't left, but I didn't agree to services 'right before' I left. It was quite some time...if I recall correctly I'm thinking somewhere in the neighborhood of three months. If your caseworker is really suspicious NOW, the additional suspicion they get from you moving might not matter! Like in Betty's stated case, for example, the worker was such a total FREAK that the additional suspicion wouldn't hurt much. Except that you keep forgetting that pesky little TPR he's got. I didn't have one, nor a founded DFS record from either state that I had lived in. It makes a huge difference, but you keep telling him that and when he gets screwed he can thank YOU. In the case where the caseworkers crossed into another state to instigate a case, caseworkers looked like the insane obsessed nut cases they really are. You refuted this thinking I was referring here to YOUR case, when I was referring to a case where two caseworkers actually TRAVELED well into the next state to try to instigate a case. Yes, they did look obsessed and insane. So. You gave up on hounding me about being a bad mommy for hanging out in Sturgis for two hours last summer, and now you turn to yammering about me 'skipping' state with my own kids with no service plan or court order to stop me? Why didn't you tell the new poster what you did Betty? Because I realize in his case that might not be a good idea and didn't want to give the guy ideas about doing something that would cause him to lose his kid forever. Is that ok with you? You want him to do what you say, not what you do, right? Nope. She wants him to consider HIS circumstances, not hers. And you want him, Greg, obviously, to do what you did? How many years has Lisa and her daughter been apart now? Isn't coming up on 7 years next anniversary? You want him to do what you did? Focus on challenging "Evil CPS" for being "Evil" rather than challenging their practice IN THIS CASE? Try telling the Original Poster they aren't evil. A caseworker swore in writing to a fictional ""sex abuse history"" in order to make a case. We proved the caseworker lied using his agencies OWN records! How is that not challenging their practice in this case? How is asking the court to correct ON RECORD what paper documents prove was a LIE not a challenge regarding practices? The "evil" part is rather obvious. Particularly when two caseworkers committed even MORE perjury so obvious the Judge rolled his eyes! Betty wrote What next? Going to imply that I'm a whore because I take off all my clothes when I take a bath? LOL Greg wrote Yuck! Like Jabba the Hutt or a Rhino in a bathtub. Betty wrote LOL If you only knew. Your picture's online, remember? Bariatric surgery? What did you find particularly Jabba-like about Betty, Greg? ROFL! Bet you are chicken to put YOUR pic on line, Greg. Mine has been. Yours, Mr. Anonymity? Donald from Oregon? What a simple little vicious **** you are. Totally predictable, completely transparent, as a fool and evil ****ant yourself. Are you having rage and anger problems Don? Swearing while you call somebody vicious is funny! |
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On Jun 12, 1:49 pm, Greegor wrote:
Betty reported the caseworker directed medical care, switching to another hospital Greg wrote Whoa! How did this caseworker have the legal right to decide where medical care/exams were to be under that circumstance? She did have the authority to direct me to take the child to the nearest medical center. Which she did. She did not have the right to call the attending physician and ASK him to write up a neglect report before he even saw the child. She did not have the right to direct the child to be moved to another facility. Kane wrote Because a health professional reported Betty? Some desk sitter at County Health characterized her concerns as "obsessive" about spitups. Were they going for the Munchausens By Proxy angle or what? No. They were going for the 'didn't feed baby' angle. Unfortunate for them, there was absolutely no indication that this was true, and on top of that, the hospital staff saw the baby throwing up, my concerns were documented from the time she was born until she was admitted to the hospital for failure to thrive, and it was documented that upon receiving Raglan the vomiting after feeding stopped. But this doesn't explain how a CPS caseworker had any legal authority to direct medical care. She had NO court removal order, no strong evidence, and as it turns out mostly just a huge ATTITUDE. So what legal authority was she acting on when she directed the medical care be SWITCHED? Did you wonder that at the time, Betty? Nope. Didn't wonder a bit about it. I was young, and had seen their interactions with my sister, and suuuuuure didn't want to get myself into a heap of that mess. I didn't know that they couldn't do what they were doing. That is, until I asked an attorney once I was already hip deep in it. She was found to have Gastric Reflux...relieved by use of Raglan. Documented fully by the second hospital and undeniable in that once the Raglan was started she no longer threw up, and she began to gain weight rapidly. The ALLEGATION was NEGLECT. Because I had been calling the doctor's office for weeks complaining about the way she vomited (they logged those calls because they were a managed health company), and because I had complained to a county nurse incessantly, and she wrote on her files that I was being 'obsessive' over some 'spit up', and because the Trauma Dr nor the doctors at the two hospitals she was in could find ANY sign of neglect what so ever, only Failure to thrive that was not caused by abuse or neglect, the allegation was coded UNSUBSTANTIATED. Now, I know that 'unsubstantiated' isn't a word in your vocab, but Bud, I gotta tell you, it DOES exist. DFS ASKED me to agree to a service plan after the baby was released from the hospital that would allow them to monitor her progress. I did sign. Most people in that situation would tell them where to stuff it. WHY did you sign? Different times, different circumstances. Or are you insinuating, yet again, Greg. Everyone but YOU has to be wrong, right? When bureaucrats try to intrude, overrule and override parents they had better have much more than an aire of superiority. Presuming caseworkers are actually more competent than parents could be a tragic mistake! And when the 'monitoring' was no longer needed (and began to look more like interference to me)and the baby hadn't thrown up in quite some time and DFS was still not getting out of the picture and wanted me to sign another I left...no case on my family, the first agreement had expired and I left before they could get a court order to make me stipulate. Just because I did it doesn't mean it was wise, and doesn't mean that everyone should do it. You want people to do as you say, not as you did. Got it! Nope. She points out later that circumstances are different for different people at different times. Was the posters explanation so detailed you could determine that FOR THEM? No. That's why I don't offer advice until I know what someone is up against. Do you think there is some formula that will beat CPS? Yours, perhaps? 0:] It's really up to the the poor poster (under siege from CPS) and their ""highly competent, highly motivated"" public pretender isn't it now? You seem a bit dysfunctional, or possibly deprived, in the strategy and tactical area. You seem like a Megalomaniac former caseworker. 7years=Greg'sResults. A little off on the math there. Is that an ADHD symptom, or did you take too much medication? The caseworker was such a FREAK that she would never have unfounded Betty unless she was forced to. Betty agreed to services also, right before she skipped. Or so she said. I have to agree with you about her being a freak. And she certainly wouldn't have ever let go if I hadn't left, but I didn't agree to services 'right before' I left. It was quite some time...if I recall correctly I'm thinking somewhere in the neighborhood of three months. If your caseworker is really suspicious NOW, the additional suspicion they get from you moving might not matter! Like in Betty's stated case, for example, the worker was such a total FREAK that the additional suspicion wouldn't hurt much. Except that you keep forgetting that pesky little TPR he's got. I didn't have one, nor a founded DFS record from either state that I had lived in. It makes a huge difference, but you keep telling him that and when he gets screwed he can thank YOU. In the case where the caseworkers crossed into another state to instigate a case, caseworkers looked like the insane obsessed nut cases they really are. You refuted this thinking I was referring here to YOUR case, when I was referring to a case where two caseworkers actually TRAVELED well into the next state to try to instigate a case. Yes, they did look obsessed and insane. So. You gave up on hounding me about being a bad mommy for hanging out in Sturgis for two hours last summer, and now you turn to yammering about me 'skipping' state with my own kids with no service plan or court order to stop me? Why didn't you tell the new poster what you did Betty? Because I realize in his case that might not be a good idea and didn't want to give the guy ideas about doing something that would cause him to lose his kid forever. Is that ok with you? You want him to do what you say, not what you do, right? Nope. She wants him to consider HIS circumstances, not hers. And you want him, Greg, obviously, to do what you did? How many years has Lisa and her daughter been apart now? Isn't coming up on 7 years next anniversary? You want him to do what you did? Focus on challenging "Evil CPS" for being "Evil" rather than challenging their practice IN THIS CASE? Try telling the Original Poster they aren't evil. A caseworker swore in writing to a fictional ""sex abuse history"" in order to make a case. We proved the caseworker lied using his agencies OWN records! How is that not challenging their practice in this case? How is asking the court to correct ON RECORD what paper documents prove was a LIE not a challenge regarding practices? The "evil" part is rather obvious. Particularly when two caseworkers committed even MORE perjury so obvious the Judge rolled his eyes! Betty wrote What next? Going to imply that I'm a whore because I take off all my clothes when I take a bath? LOL Greg wrote Yuck! Like Jabba the Hutt or a Rhino in a bathtub. Betty wrote LOL If you only knew. Your picture's online, remember? Bariatric surgery? What did you find particularly Jabba-like about Betty, Greg? ROFL! Bet you are chicken to put YOUR pic on line, Greg. Mine has been. Yours, Mr. Anonymity? Donald from Oregon? Kane isn't anonymous. I've seen his pic. He's exactly as he's described himself. What a simple little vicious **** you are. Totally predictable, completely transparent, as a fool and evil ****ant yourself. Are you having rage and anger problems Don? Swearing while you call somebody vicious is funny! |
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