A coverup for a cause of Autism?

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You have repeatedly proven yourself to be deaf, blind and dumb to
evidence.

Please show where I have said anything that is incorrect based on the
available evidence.

You continue Probert's lie ... when ALL EVIDENCE points to the only
Mark S Probert in the 10th district of NY ... you lie and lie and lie
for him ... how pathetic.

Really? Mark says he is not the same Mark S. Probert. Unless you can prove
that he is the same Mark S. Probert (your repeating the same claim over and
over again doesn't count),

You have long lied that "there is no evidence that silicon (your
misspelling) ever harmed anyone" ... total and utter Quacking.

Actually, at the time that I said it. based on the evidence that I had, it
was correct. Furthermore, there is very little evidence and no definitive
studies that show that silicone is every harmed anyone.

If you can show that I was incorrect at the time I said it (e.g., you can
show that there was a good study that silicone harmed people), then please
show us.

www.BreastImplantAwarness.org/DisinfoAgents.htm

Totally irrelevant. I had nothing to do with the case.

Jeff

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Ilena Rose wrote:

06.25.2005 David Kirby

Mercury, Autism and the Coming Storm

Wake-up. The storm has passed. It was billed as a hurricane but instead
all we got was a sprinkling.

You're incorrect. There was a bunch of hype no storm. For there to have
been a storm, there would have had to be something to the hypothesis that
vaccines cause autism.

Concern was raised and widely debated.

The side that didn't think there was a link provided evidence, both
against mercury as a cause and for differential reporting for it, and
won the debate.

The mercury was removed from vaccines for political reasons anyway.

I totally agree that the reasons why the mercury was removed from
vaccines was primarily political.

However, there are two good scientific reasons to remove mercury from
vaccines:

1) In theory, the mercury in vaccines *might* cause damage. Considering
that other preservatives can be used, removing something that is
potentially dangerous is a wise scientific decision. I wold emphase that
this would only be a precaution based on theory. Certainly, there is very
little or no evidence that the thimerosal (the particular preservative
used) has caused any damage.

You mean no evidence that was *admitted*

No. I mean that there was no evidence. Please do not put words into my
mouth.

I would also add that kids are exposed to far more mercury in
the environment than vaccines, and the mercury from the environment is in
a more dangerous form.

More dangerous than being *injected*??

Yes. There is far more mercury in kids' bodies from the environment than
from vaccines. And that mercury is in a more dangerous form (methyl
mercury).

2) Using mercury as a preservative increases the amount of mercury in the
environment.

Correction:

IN THE BODY OF A BABY

Wrong. In the environment.



The amount of mercury that is released into the envorinment is
far less than the amount of mercury released by a power plant, but still,
I don't see any reason to release more mercury into the environment.

Skpping all around the fct the mercury is being *injected* inti the BODY
OF A BABY!

Actually, what does "skpping" mean?

I am fully aware that mercury is being injected into the babies. And that
the babies excrete most of the mercury. Furthermore, the amount of mercury
that is used in vaccines is not harmful.


I think removing mercury from vaccines was a good move from a scientific
standpoint, despite the fact that mercury in vaccines has never been
demonstrated to harm anyone.

As in keeping it a secret. As in never, never, never admitting to doing
any harm.

No, I mean "mercury in vaccines has never been demonstrated to harm anyone,
whether admitted publically or not."

Jeff


Jeff

Now, despite the absence of mercury, we are not seeing declines in
autism rates.

What more is there to discuss?

Trying to turn the clock back to re-argue a fight that was lost 5 years
ago can never accomplish anything unless the autism rates start to
drop - but they aren't.

--
00doc

On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 01:13:30 +0000, Jeff wrote:

1) In theory, the mercury in vaccines *might* cause damage. Considering
that other preservatives can be used, removing something that is
potentially dangerous is a wise scientific decision. I wold emphase that
this would only be a precaution based on theory. Certainly, there is very
little or no evidence that the thimerosal (the particular preservative
used) has caused any damage.

You mean no evidence that was *admitted*

No. I mean that there was no evidence. Please do not put words into my
mouth.

What kind of evidence would you accept?

I would also add that kids are exposed to far more mercury in
the environment than vaccines, and the mercury from the environment is in
a more dangerous form.

More dangerous than being *injected*??

Yes. There is far more mercury in kids' bodies from the environment than
from vaccines.

Care to provide numbers? No, this bull**** is very hard
to defend.

And that mercury is in a more dangerous form (methyl
mercury).

Well, a study showed that twice as much mercury is absorbed
into the brain from ethyl mercury than from methyl mercury.
So, what is more dangerous?


2) Using mercury as a preservative increases the amount of mercury in the
environment.

Correction:

IN THE BODY OF A BABY

Wrong. In the environment.

I am speechless. Are you pretending to be a moron or you really are?
If you drink (or better are injected) with say potassium cyanide
where will we see increased amounts of it - in your body or environment?

I am fully aware that mercury is being injected into the babies. And that
the babies excrete most of the mercury. Furthermore, the amount of mercury
that is used in vaccines is not harmful.

I wish it were true. Too late.

What is amazing about you people denying any possibility of a link
between thimerosal and autism is that your interest goes
no further than shutting up your opponents. If thimerosal is not
at fault then it is something else that is not known yet, right?
Cases increased in 15 times in 15 years. If the cause is unknown
the trend may continue, right? Another increase of that
magnitude and we will face a national disaster of unimaginable
proportions. So, urgent research is needed to identify the cause,
or else. But you are not concerned. Perhaps, you hope (or know)
that you are wrong, that the cause has been found (thimerosal)
and removed. Therefore there is nothing to be scared of.

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Ilena Rose wrote:

06.25.2005 David Kirby

Mercury, Autism and the Coming Storm

Wake-up. The storm has passed. It was billed as a hurricane but instead
all we got was a sprinkling.

You're incorrect. There was a bunch of hype no storm. For there to have
been a storm, there would have had to be something to the hypothesis
that vaccines cause autism.

Concern was raised and widely debated.

The side that didn't think there was a link provided evidence, both
against mercury as a cause and for differential reporting for it, and
won the debate.

The mercury was removed from vaccines for political reasons anyway.

I totally agree that the reasons why the mercury was removed from
vaccines was primarily political.

However, there are two good scientific reasons to remove mercury from
vaccines:

1) In theory, the mercury in vaccines *might* cause damage. Considering
that other preservatives can be used, removing something that is
potentially dangerous is a wise scientific decision. I wold emphase that
this would only be a precaution based on theory. Certainly, there is
very little or no evidence that the thimerosal (the particular
preservative used) has caused any damage.

You mean no evidence that was *admitted*

No. I mean that there was no evidence. Please do not put words into my
mouth.

I would also add that kids are exposed to far more mercury in
the environment than vaccines, and the mercury from the environment is
in a more dangerous form.

More dangerous than being *injected*??

Yes. There is far more mercury in kids' bodies from the environment than
from vaccines.

Proof Please?


And that mercury is in a more dangerous form (methyl
mercury).

More dangerous than being *injected*. Proof Please?

2) Using mercury as a preservative increases the amount of mercury in
the environment.

Correction:

IN THE BODY OF A BABY

Wrong. In the environment.

Proof Please?

The amount of mercury that is released into the envorinment is
far less than the amount of mercury released by a power plant, but
still, I don't see any reason to release more mercury into the
environment.

Skpping all around the fct the mercury is being *injected* inti the BODY
OF A BABY!

Actually, what does "skpping" mean?

Try real hard to figure it out, then stop acting like a child.

I am fully aware that mercury is being injected into the babies. And that
the babies excrete most of the mercury.

You are aware of what *organized medicine* has told you.

You are so brain washed, I posted a study, you remarked, if you ever treated
a mouse you would keep it in mind.

I have very little use for smart alecs like you.

http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInforma...sal/sld023.htm

http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInforma...sal/sld037.htm

http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInforma...sal/sld028.htm

http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInformation/asdexperts.htm


Furthermore, the amount of mercury
that is used in vaccines is not harmful.

ZZzz.


http://www.flu.org.cn/news/2004986362.htm
Thimerosal,New study reopens debate on vaccinations
Published: Sep ,8,2004 16:21 PM
By ###
Special to The Wall Street Journal & Medicalnewstoday



By Tara Parker-Pope
The Wall Street Journal

Just a few months after the nation's top medical adviser rejected a link
between vaccines and autism, a mouse study has reignited the debate and
raised new fears among parents considering vaccinations and flu shots for
their kids.


For years, a cadre of parents and physicians have contended that thimerosal,
an ethyl-mercury compound that has been one of the most widely used vaccine
preservatives, is partly responsible for an apparent rise in autism in
recent decades. But broad population studies haven't supported the claim. In
May, a major report from the Institute of Medicine's Immunization Safety
Review Committee rejected a link between autism and vaccines.



But today, a congressional committee will review a June study from Columbia
University, which found that a preservative used in vaccines can cause
autism-like symptoms in a specific strain of mice. The research raises
questions about whether some people might be genetically vulnerable to the
effects of thimerosal.



The study also raises questions about a new push by the Centers for Disease
Control and Prevention to add flu shots to the immunization schedule for
school-age kids. The vast majority of flu shots given still contain the
preservative.



In the study, researchers administered thimerosal to four strains of young
mice. Three of the mice strains were unaffected by thimerosal, but the
fourth developed problems consistent with autism such as delayed growth,
social withdrawal and brain abnormalities. The mice were known to have a
genetic susceptibility to mercury.



Thimerosal, found in childhood vaccines, can increase the risk of
autism-like damage in mice



A new study indicates that postnatal exposure to thimerosal, a mercury
preservative commonly used in a number of childhood vaccines, can lead to
the development of autism-like damage in autoimmune disease susceptible
mice. This animal model, the first to show that the administration of
low-dose ethylmercury can lead to behavioral and neurological changes in the
developing brain, reinforces previous studies showing that a genetic
predisposition affects risk in combination with certain environmental
triggers. The study was conducted by researchers at the Jerome L. and Dawn
Greene

Infectious Disease Laboratory at the Mailman School of Public Health,
Columbia University. Over the past 20 years, there has been a striking
increase--at least ten-fold since 1985--in the number of children diagnosed
with autism spectrum disorders. Genetic factors alone cannot account for
this rise in prevalence. Researchers at the Mailman School, led by Dr. Mady
Hornig, created an animal model to explore the relationship between
thimerosal (ethylmercury) and autism, hypothesizing that the combination of
genetic susceptibility and environmental exposure to mercury in childhood
vaccines may cause neurotoxicity.

Cumulative mercury burden through other sources, including in utero
exposures to mercury in fish or vaccines, may also lead to damage in
susceptible hosts. Timing and quantity of thimerosal dosing for the mouse
model were developed using the U.S. immunization schedule for children, with
doses calculated for mice based on 10th percentile weight of U.S. boys at
age two, four, six, and twelve months.

The researchers found the subset of autoimmune disease susceptible mice with
thimerosal exposure to express many important aspects of the behavioral and
neuropathologic features of autism spectrum disorders, including:

Abnormal response to novel environments;

Behavioral impoverishment (limited range of behaviors and decreased
exploration of environment); Significant abnormalities in brain
architecture, affecting areas subserving emotion and cognition; Increased
brain size.

These findings have relevance for identification of autism cases relating to
environmental factors; design of treatment strategies; and development of
rational immunization programs. The use of thimerosal in vaccines has been
reduced over the past few years, although it is still present in some
influenza vaccines. Identifying the connection between genetic
susceptibility and an environmental trigger for autism--in this case
thimerosal exposure--is important because it may promote discovery of
effective interventions for and limit exposure in a specific population,
stated the lead author Dr. Mady Hornig. Because the developing brain can be
exposed to toxins that are long gone by the time symptoms appear, clues
gathered in these animal models can then be evaluated through prospective
human birth cohorts--providing a powerful to tool to dissect the interaction
between genes and the environment over time.

Citation source: Molecular Psychiatry 2004 Volume 9, advance on line
publication doi:10.1038/sj.mp.4001529

For further information on this work, please contact Mady Hornig, MD,
Columbia University, Mailman School of Public Health, Greene Infectious
Disease Laboratory, 722 W 168th St, New York, New York 10032, United States
of America, phone: 212-342-9036; FAX: 949-824-1229; e-mail:


ARTICLE: "Neurotoxic effects of postnatal thimerosal are mouse
strain-dependent"

M Hornig, D Chian, W. I. Lipkin

Greene Infectious Disease Laboratory, Mailman School of Public Health,
Columbia University, 722 W 168th St, New York, New York 10032

I think removing mercury from vaccines was a good move from a scientific
standpoint, despite the fact that mercury in vaccines has never been
demonstrated to harm anyone.

As in keeping it a secret. As in never, never, never admitting to doing
any harm.

No, I mean "mercury in vaccines has never been demonstrated to harm
anyone, whether admitted publically or not."

Jeff


Jeff

Now, despite the absence of mercury, we are not seeing declines in
autism rates.

What more is there to discuss?

Trying to turn the clock back to re-argue a fight that was lost 5 years
ago can never accomplish anything unless the autism rates start to
drop - but they aren't.

--
00doc

Jeff wrote:
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Ilena Rose wrote:

The amount of mercury that is released into the envorinment is
far less than the amount of mercury released by a power plant, but still,
I don't see any reason to release more mercury into the environment.

Skpping all around the fct the mercury is being *injected* inti the BODY
OF A BABY!

Actually, what does "skpping" mean?

I am fully aware that mercury is being injected into the babies. And that
the babies excrete most of the mercury. Furthermore, the amount of mercury
that is used in vaccines is not harmful.

I'd like to the study that proves that most of the Hg is excreted
and also that there is no variation in childrens ability to excrete
Hg. Furthermore the debate is on whether thimersol causes autism, the
worst side effect imaginable. Now suddenly the pro-thimersolists keep
repeating over and over that "x amount of Hg is not harmful". this is
the common phrase associated with Hg. How in tarnation do you know
that?

could thimersol cause speech delays, immune system reactions
or any other minor side effects? and you have studies that prove
all that? NO? then don't keep repeating over and over
"x amount of Hg is NOT harmful" like some cluess drone.

In article , mike wrote:

Well, a study showed that twice as much mercury is absorbed
into the brain from ethyl mercury than from methyl mercury.

Surrrre it did. Cite the study or put a sock in it.

What is amazing about you people denying any possibility of a link
between thimerosal and autism is that your interest goes
no further than shutting up your opponents. If thimerosal is not
at fault then it is something else that is not known yet, right?
Cases increased in 15 times in 15 years. If the cause is unknown
the trend may continue, right? Another increase of that
magnitude and we will face a national disaster of unimaginable
proportions. So, urgent research is needed to identify the cause,
or else. But you are not concerned. Perhaps, you hope (or know)
that you are wrong, that the cause has been found (thimerosal)
and removed. Therefore there is nothing to be scared of.

God, but you *are* an idiot. I've been saying all along that it's
clear that thimerosal is NOT the culprit; if it were, autism rates
would have plunged in Canada and Denmark years ago, but they didn't.

So, if we assume that autism rates are shooting up (this is disputed),
then the cause must be elsewhere, and the thimerosal loons are causing
far more harm to their own cause than the mythical pharmaceutical
conspiracists ever could, simply because the loons are focusing vast
amounts of time and energy on the wrong culprit.

And to say that nobody here is concerned is simply wrong. I know I'm
concerned, but frankly, I don't know what we should be researching.

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Ilena Rose wrote:

The amount of mercury that is released into the envorinment is
far less than the amount of mercury released by a power plant, but
still,
I don't see any reason to release more mercury into the environment.

Skpping all around the fct the mercury is being *injected* inti the
BODY
OF A BABY!

Actually, what does "skpping" mean?

I am fully aware that mercury is being injected into the babies. And that
the babies excrete most of the mercury. Furthermore, the amount of
mercury
that is used in vaccines is not harmful.

I'd like to the study that proves that most of the Hg is excreted
and also that there is no variation in childrens ability to excrete
Hg. Furthermore the debate is on whether thimersol causes autism, the
worst side effect imaginable. Now suddenly the pro-thimersolists keep
repeating over and over that "x amount of Hg is not harmful". this is
the common phrase associated with Hg. How in tarnation do you know
that?

could thimersol cause speech delays, immune system reactions
or any other minor side effects? and you have studies that prove
all that? NO? then don't keep repeating over and over
"x amount of Hg is NOT harmful" like some cluess drone.

Fact is they IGNORE anything not endorse by LYING *organized medicine * as
you and I well know.

Blood work from kids SHOULD have been taken within two to four hours, NOT
days
after vaccines, thimerosal crosses the blood brain barrier and is stored in
the
brain.


Kids were given as much as seven to nine shots a day and thimerosal level
reaching 100% OVER the acceptable limit.


Rogam (sp?) was given to pregnant women, doctors not knowing it contained
thimerosal.


At a conservative rate of 10% of kids affected, that's 50,000 kids in the
US.
Rate likely to be higher.


The CDC says records of adverse effects can be found, however it was told
the
hoops people must jump through to get these records. One doctor even
submitted
150 pages to get through this red tape, but that was not good enough.


Invalid data in reaching the statistics of affected kids.

1: Pediatrics. 2001 May;107(5):1147-54.Related Articles, Links


Comment in:
Pediatrics. 2001 May;107(5):1177-8.

An assessment of thimerosal use in childhood vaccines.

Ball LK, Ball R, Pratt RD.

Division of Vaccines and Related Products Applications, Office of Vaccines
Research and Review, Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research, Foodand
Drug Administration, Rockville, Maryland 20852, USA.

BACKGROUND: On July 7, 1999, the American Academy of Pediatrics and the US
Public Health Service issued a joint statement calling for removal of
thimerosal, a mercury-containing preservative, from vaccines. This action
was prompted in part by a risk assessment from the Food and Drug
Administration that is presented here. METHODS: The risk assessment
consisted of hazard identification, dose-response assessment, exposure
assessment, and risk characterization. The literature was reviewed to
identify known toxicity of thimerosal, ethylmercury (a metabolite of
thimerosal) and methylmercury (a similar organic mercury compound) and to
determine the doses at which toxicity occurs. Maximal potential exposure to
mercury from vaccines was calculated for children at 6 months old and 2
years, under the US childhood immunization schedule, and compared with the
limits for mercury exposure developed by the Environmental Protection Agency
(EPA), the Agency for Toxic Substance and Disease Registry, the Food and
Drug Administration, and the World Health Organization. RESULTS:
Delayed-type hypersensitivity reactions from thimerosal exposure are
well-recognized. Identified acute toxicity from inadvertent high-dose
exposure to thimerosal includes neurotoxicity and nephrotoxicity. Limited
data on toxicity from low-dose exposures to ethylmercury are available, but
toxicity may be similar to that of methylmercury. Chronic, low-dose
methylmercury exposure may cause subtle neurologic abnormalities. Depending
on the immunization schedule, vaccine formulation, and infant weight,
cumulative exposure of infants to mercury from thimerosal during the first 6
months of life may exceed EPA guidelines. CONCLUSION: Our review revealed no
evidence of harm caused by doses of thimerosal in vaccines, except for local
hypersensitivity reactions. However, some infants may be exposed to
cumulative levels of mercury during the first 6 months of life that exceed
EPA recommendations. Exposure of infants to mercury in vaccines can be
reduced or eliminated by using products formulated without thimerosal as a
preservative.

Publication Types:
Review
Review, Tutorial

PMID: 11331700 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

http://poisonevercure.150m.com/autism.htm

Autistic children are shown to retain abnormally high concentrations of
mercury from environmental sources such as vaccines.

********* (Until recently, the FDA administration concealed their knowledge
that thimerosal has been known to cross through the blood-brain barrier and
concentrate in the brain).***********

In a recent communication with Congressman Dr. Weldon, CDC conceded that
some of the routinely recommended vaccines contained the full amount of
thimerosal (25 mcg) as late as 2003. Those are not to expire until towards
the end of 2005. There is no existing reason to believe that manufactures
have it in mind to completely remove thimerosal from childhood vaccines in
the near future. Much to my alarm, documents recently obtained from the
World Health Organization (WHO)state that their policy is to lobby strongly
for maintaining thimerosal in vaccines as they see it necessary to use
childhood vaccines in third world countries. The mentality is that if
thimerosal is taken out of American childhood vaccines, the third world
countries will not accept thimerosal-containing childhood vaccines. This
seems to be a clear disturbing indication that, for whatever reason, WHO
desires to inoculate third world country populations with thimerosal
containing vaccines. This is an agency that claims to have an interest in
making sure that children in developing countries have the best
opportunities at life. How is that possible when they are being
deliberately poisoned with high concentrations of a neurotoxins?
There exists many decades worth of peer-reviewed literature (literally
hundreds) on the dangers of thimerosal which include case-reports, animal
studies, tissues culture studies, genetic studies, toxicology studies, and
biochemical studies. According to the above article, CDC, HHS and AAP warns
that 1/166 children have autistic spectrum disorders and even more alarming,
1/6 children have developmental and or behavioral disorders.
The World Health Organization's (WHO) Expert Committee on Biological
Standardization acknowledges that thimerosal is essential during vaccine
production to inactivate certain pathogenic organisms and toxins and prevent
microbial growth during vaccine storage and use. (click here to view
document). Read the Eli Lilly's, manufacturer of thimerosal, safety data
sheet on thimerosal. According to this document, thimerosal will react with
strong oxidizing agents and one listed is peroxides. Another vaccine
component. Also listed are the effects, including signs and symptoms of
exposure such as topical allergic dermatitis, topical hypersensitivity
reactions. Early signs of mercury poisoning are noted as nervous system
effects which include narrowing of the visual field and numbness in the
extremities. "Exposure to mercury in utero and in children can cause mild
to severe mental retardation and mild to severe motor coordination's
impairment". Primary routes of entry are listed as inhalation and skin
contact. For shipping information, there's no question of the label:
POISONS accompanied by the skull and bones picture label.
Mercury over stimulates the brain's immune system. Over stimulation of the
brain results in activation of the microglia widely dispersed in the brain.
When the microglia are activated, they release toxins killing surrounding
brains cells. Prolonged stimulation of the microglia by too many vaccines
kills far too many brain cells.
Though, some may find the reasoning of this imitation form of immunization
to make sense and logic, studying the peer review, lab work and studies
conducting the safety of such the practice will encourage you to think
twice. The dangers of inoculating children and adults with vile
microorganisms is potentially fatal. World Health Organization is privy to
this information. Other material indicate they know that more children
would die and or die quicker without the thimerosal. Sounds insane, but a
fact worth keeping in mind and or researching on your own. So, in order to
inactivate these microorganisms something even more toxic is needed to do
just that. That's where the thimerosal comes in. These facts alone should
raise a few eyebrows. Remember, in the records of mercury toxicology, it
only takes 35 mcg to kill a rabbit. Now, think about how much is in each
vaccine. There's 25mcg in Hib, Pneumococcal (except for Prevnar), DTaP, all
Tetanus brands. Then there's 12.5 in the Hep b. How much thimerosal is
needed should be your other indicator of the dangers of vaccines. The next
indicator is how many doses children receive by school registration.
It's one Russian roulette game after another to keep the big bucks packing
into the pockets of the big dogs.

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Jan

"David Wright" wrote in message
. ..
In article , mike
wrote:

Well, a study showed that twice as much mercury is absorbed
into the brain from ethyl mercury than from methyl mercury.

Surrrre it did. Cite the study or put a sock in it.

What is amazing about you people denying any possibility of a link
between thimerosal and autism is that your interest goes
no further than shutting up your opponents. If thimerosal is not
at fault then it is something else that is not known yet, right?
Cases increased in 15 times in 15 years. If the cause is unknown
the trend may continue, right? Another increase of that
magnitude and we will face a national disaster of unimaginable
proportions. So, urgent research is needed to identify the cause,
or else. But you are not concerned. Perhaps, you hope (or know)
that you are wrong, that the cause has been found (thimerosal)
and removed. Therefore there is nothing to be scared of.

God, but you *are* an idiot. I've been saying all along that it's
clear that thimerosal is NOT the culprit; if it were, autism rates
would have plunged in Canada and Denmark years ago, but they didn't.

So, if we assume that autism rates are shooting up (this is disputed),
then the cause must be elsewhere, and the thimerosal loons are causing
far more harm to their own cause than the mythical pharmaceutical
conspiracists ever could, simply because the loons are focusing vast
amounts of time and energy on the wrong culprit.

And to say that nobody here is concerned is simply wrong. I know I'm
concerned, but frankly, I don't know what we should be researching.

I wonder just how much more we need to know?

Mol Psychiatry. 2004 Sep;9(9):833-45. Related Articles, Links


Neurotoxic effects of postnatal thimerosal are mouse strain dependent.

Hornig M, Chian D, Lipkin WI.

Jerome L and Dawn Greene Infectious Disease Laboratory, Department of
Epidemiology, Mailman School of Public Health, Columbia University, New
York, NY 10032, USA.

The developing brain is uniquely susceptible to the neurotoxic hazard posed
by mercurials. Host differences in maturation, metabolism, nutrition, sex,
and autoimmunity influence outcomes. How population-based variability
affects the safety of the ethylmercury-containing vaccine preservative,
thimerosal, is unknown. Reported increases in the prevalence of autism, a
highly heritable neuropsychiatric condition, are intensifying public focus
on environmental exposures such as thimerosal. Immune profiles and family
history in autism are frequently consistent with autoimmunity. We
hypothesized that autoimmune propensity influences outcomes in mice
following thimerosal challenges that mimic routine childhood immunizations.
Autoimmune disease-sensitive SJL/J mice showed growth delay; reduced
locomotion; exaggerated response to novelty; and densely packed,
hyperchromic hippocampal neurons with altered glutamate receptors and
transporters. Strains resistant to autoimmunity, C57BL/6J and BALB/cJ, were
not susceptible. These findings implicate genetic influences and provide a
model for investigating thimerosal-related neurotoxicity.

PMID: 15184908 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

1: Neurotoxicology. 1989 Winter;10(4):699-706. Related Articles, Links


Effect of organic and inorganic mercuric salts on Na+K+ATPase in different
cerebral fractions in control and intrauterine growth-retarded rats:
alterations induced by serotonin.

Chanez C, Flexor MA, Bourre JM.

Unite 26, INSERM, Hopital Fernand WIDAL, Paris, France.

An intrauterine growth-retarded (IUGR) model based on restriction of blood
supply to the rat fetus at the 17th day of pregnancy was studied. We
investigated in vitro the effects of thimerosal and mercuric chloride on
Na+K+ATPase activity in total brain homogenate, synaptosomes and myelin at
weaning. In addition, we evaluated the reversal effect of serotonin on
mercury-inhibited Na+K+ATPase activity. The toxicity, in terms of inhibition
of Na+K+ATPase activity was greater with mercuric chloride than with
thimerosal. Synaptosomes and principally myelin were more sensitive to the
metal salts than total homogenate. Serotonin stimulated the Na+K+ATPase
activity in total brain homogenate and synaptosomes but inhibited the enzyme
in the myelin fraction. This effect was more marked in the IUGR group than
in the control group. Serotonin (1 mM) added to total homogenate pretreated
with the mercury salts produced variable reversal effects. In the
synaptosomal fraction reverse effect was noted with serotonin. In myelin
fraction, added serotonin increased inhibition caused by thimerosal.

PMID: 2562765 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

1: Int J Biochem. 1983;15(1):5-7. Related Articles, Links


Rat brain (Na+-K+)ATPase: modulation of its ouabain-sensitive K+-PNPPase
activity by thimerosal.

Lewis RN, Bowler K.

1. The (Na+ + K+) ATPase activity of a rat brain synaptic membrane
preparation was inhibited by 10(-5) M thimerosal. 2. The ouabain inhibitable
K+-PNPPase activity of thimerosal treated membranes was compared with that
of untreated membranes with respect to sensitivity to temperature, ouabain,
K+ and ATP. 3. All those kinetic characteristics were substantially altered
by treatment with thimerosal.

PMID: 6298022 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Jan


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Fact is they IGNORE anything not endorse by LYING *organized medicine * as
you and I well know.

Blood work from kids SHOULD have been taken within two to four hours, NOT
days
after vaccines, thimerosal crosses the blood brain barrier and is stored in
the
brain.


Kids were given as much as seven to nine shots a day and thimerosal level
reaching 100% OVER the acceptable limit.


They should have said to Burton, well, you want to remove the
thimersol and look at the CDC records? no problem. I believe
Burton actually wrote a letter to Bush asking him to hold
a conference to investigate all the possible causes of
autism. Bush's response was that he was too busy.

"LadyLollipop" wrote in message
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Fact is they IGNORE anything not endorse by LYING *organized medicine * as
you and I well know.


The is no "*organized medicine*", Jan. You STILL haven't defined the term.
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