BU$TED?

"JohnDoe" wrote in message
. ..
Jason Johnson wrote:

In article , JohnDoe
wrote:

Jason Johnson wrote:
Mark,
I know that ONE vaccine that contains alumninum is not likely to
cause harm.
However, as you probably know, alumninum is in many different
products
such as antacids. If they started placing alumninum in all
vaccines (to replace
mercury), it could cause high levels of alumninum to build up in
the
bodies of people. Why would you ASSUME that there would be a
build up?
It could cause as much harm as high levels of mercury.
Why would you assume that? Different toxins act differently. Spend
some time learning the various types of "snake venom" and how they
work.
It could lead to alumninum poisoning. Heavy metal poisoning and
alumninum
poisoning are known medical issues. I was shocked when I noticed
that
almost every brand of antacids contains high levels of alumninum.
Does the body absorb it, though? Does the body retain it?
One dose
of alumninum is NOT a problem--however, I hope that even you would
agree
that 100 doses of alumninum is a problem--esp. in those people that
have
an allergic reactions to alumninum. Only if it accumulates to
a toxic level.
People that have various types of
kidney diseases are advised not to use productes that contain
alumninum. Why?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mark,
You made some good points in your post. I have conducted some research
related to kidney diseases mainly by reading a book that was written
by a
kidney specialist that is a professor at a medical college. I am NOT
an
expert on kidney diseases. It's my understanding based upon what I
read in
that book that diseased kidneys have a difficult time removing various
substances such as mercury, alumninum (and various types of
medications),
and other heavy metals from the body. As a result, those things
accumuluate and cause great harm. For example, if you drank an entire
bottle of an antacid (and had normal kidneys), it probably would not
harm
you. On the other hand, if someone that had weak or diseased kidneys,
drank a bottle of antacid, the alumninum in that bottle of antacid may
cause great harm and perhaps even alumninum poisoning. Dear Jason,
have you ever heard the expression: "the poison is in the dosage"? Or:
"one aspirin takes the headache away, a whole bottle takes the patient
away"? Are you aware that you can die from drinking too much water. Yes,
plain, good ol' H2O. Are you aware that aluminum is one of the most
ubiquitous element on the face of the earth and if it really were that
poisonous, life on earth as we know it would not exist? Are you aware
that aluminum is NOT a heavy metal, but in fact one of the lightest
metals that we know of?
You would be amazed
at the number of medications that have a warning that states: "People
that
have kidney disease or liver disease should NOT take this medication."
Yes--I would agree that heavy metals may in some cases (e.g. kidney
disease) accumulate to a toxic level.
Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~

JohnDoe,
True or False:
Is alumninum poisoning a know medical issue?

At what dose Jason, at what dose?

ZZzz.................[just a little dab ill do ya]......

This was answered...YESTERDAY!!

Note how John can't answer Jason's question.

Do babies ever develop reactions to the Hep-B vaccine that contains
alumninum?

And if they ever did, did aluminum cause it?

AND..............

Again...John canNOT answer.


Dear Jason, the word 'metal' does not equal 'so poisonous it should be
wholly removed from the environment'. While you may not be an anti-vac
liar, you certainly seem to suffer from a degree of delusion with regard
to the toxicity of metals.

Jason

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~

But..................John suffers from ARGUING.................and
IGNORING..............FACTS!

Aluminum Neurotoxicity


Redhead K, Quinlan GJ, Das RG, Gutteridge JM. Pharmacol Toxicol 1992
Apr;70(4):278-80.


Aluminium-adjuvanted vaccines transiently increase aluminium levels in
murine brain tissue.


Division of Bacteriology, National Institute for Biological Standards and
Control, Herts., UK.


Aluminum is widely used as an adjuvant in human vaccines, and children can
often receive up to 3.75 mg of parenteral aluminum during the first six
months of life. We show that intraperitoneal injection of aluminum adsorbed
vaccines into mice causes a transient rise in brain tissue aluminum levels
peaking around the second and third day after injection. This rise is not
seen in the saline control group of animals or with vaccine not containing
aluminum. It is likely that aluminum is transported to the brain by the
iron-binding protein transferrin and enters the brain via specific
transferrin receptors. PMID: 1608913, UI: 92302160


http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/516045_Tables

TDN/"HCN" [who thinks it is A OK for the CDC and FDA to
have vested interested in
vaccines]

"JohnDoe" wrote in message
. ..
Jason Johnson wrote:

.... And if they ever did, did aluminum cause it?
Dear Jason, the word 'metal' does not equal 'so poisonous it should be
wholly removed from the environment'. While you may not be an anti-vac
liar, you certainly seem to suffer from a degree of delusion with regard
to the toxicity of metals.

...

Hmmm... would that mean (according to those that equate metal to "bad")
that the following metals should never be ingested by humans:

snip SPAM

Jan Drew wrote:
"JohnDoe" wrote in message
. ..
Jason Johnson wrote:

In article , JohnDoe
wrote:

Jason Johnson wrote:
Mark,
I know that ONE vaccine that contains alumninum is not likely to
cause harm.
However, as you probably know, alumninum is in many different
products
such as antacids. If they started placing alumninum in all
vaccines (to replace
mercury), it could cause high levels of alumninum to build up in
the
bodies of people. Why would you ASSUME that there would be a
build up?
It could cause as much harm as high levels of mercury.
Why would you assume that? Different toxins act differently. Spend
some time learning the various types of "snake venom" and how they
work.
It could lead to alumninum poisoning. Heavy metal poisoning and
alumninum
poisoning are known medical issues. I was shocked when I noticed
that
almost every brand of antacids contains high levels of alumninum.
Does the body absorb it, though? Does the body retain it?
One dose
of alumninum is NOT a problem--however, I hope that even you would
agree
that 100 doses of alumninum is a problem--esp. in those people that
have
an allergic reactions to alumninum. Only if it accumulates to
a toxic level.
People that have various types of
kidney diseases are advised not to use productes that contain
alumninum. Why?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mark,
You made some good points in your post. I have conducted some research
related to kidney diseases mainly by reading a book that was written
by a
kidney specialist that is a professor at a medical college. I am NOT
an
expert on kidney diseases. It's my understanding based upon what I
read in
that book that diseased kidneys have a difficult time removing various
substances such as mercury, alumninum (and various types of
medications),
and other heavy metals from the body. As a result, those things
accumuluate and cause great harm. For example, if you drank an entire
bottle of an antacid (and had normal kidneys), it probably would not
harm
you. On the other hand, if someone that had weak or diseased kidneys,
drank a bottle of antacid, the alumninum in that bottle of antacid may
cause great harm and perhaps even alumninum poisoning. Dear Jason,
have you ever heard the expression: "the poison is in the dosage"? Or:
"one aspirin takes the headache away, a whole bottle takes the patient
away"? Are you aware that you can die from drinking too much water. Yes,
plain, good ol' H2O. Are you aware that aluminum is one of the most
ubiquitous element on the face of the earth and if it really were that
poisonous, life on earth as we know it would not exist? Are you aware
that aluminum is NOT a heavy metal, but in fact one of the lightest
metals that we know of?
You would be amazed
at the number of medications that have a warning that states: "People
that
have kidney disease or liver disease should NOT take this medication."
Yes--I would agree that heavy metals may in some cases (e.g. kidney
disease) accumulate to a toxic level.
Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~

JohnDoe,
True or False:
Is alumninum poisoning a know medical issue?

At what dose Jason, at what dose?

ZZzz.................[just a little dab ill do ya].

To quote an infamous Australian politician, Jan, "Please explain."

Yet again you've managed to write utter gobbledygook.

Remedial English, Jan. Once you can express yourself, people might
begin to give a **** what you think.

Although I doubt it.



......

This was answered...YESTERDAY!!

Note how John can't answer Jason's question.

Do babies ever develop reactions to the Hep-B vaccine that contains
alumninum?

And if they ever did, did aluminum cause it?

AND..............

Again...John canNOT answer.


Dear Jason, the word 'metal' does not equal 'so poisonous it should be
wholly removed from the environment'. While you may not be an anti-vac
liar, you certainly seem to suffer from a degree of delusion with regard
to the toxicity of metals.

Jason

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~

But..................John suffers from ARGUING.................and
IGNORING..............FACTS!

Aluminum Neurotoxicity


Redhead K, Quinlan GJ, Das RG, Gutteridge JM. Pharmacol Toxicol 1992
Apr;70(4):278-80.


Aluminium-adjuvanted vaccines transiently increase aluminium levels in
murine brain tissue.


Division of Bacteriology, National Institute for Biological Standards and
Control, Herts., UK.


Aluminum is widely used as an adjuvant in human vaccines, and children can
often receive up to 3.75 mg of parenteral aluminum during the first six
months of life. We show that intraperitoneal injection of aluminum adsorbed
vaccines into mice causes a transient rise in brain tissue aluminum levels
peaking around the second and third day after injection. This rise is not
seen in the saline control group of animals or with vaccine not containing
aluminum. It is likely that aluminum is transported to the brain by the
iron-binding protein transferrin and enters the brain via specific
transferrin receptors. PMID: 1608913, UI: 92302160


http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/516045_Tables

In article , "HCN"
wrote:

"JohnDoe" wrote in message
. ..
Jason Johnson wrote:

.... And if they ever did, did aluminum cause it?
Dear Jason, the word 'metal' does not equal 'so poisonous it should be
wholly removed from the environment'. While you may not be an anti-vac
liar, you certainly seem to suffer from a degree of delusion with regard
to the toxicity of metals.

...

Hmmm... would that mean (according to those that equate metal to "bad") that
the following metals should never be ingested by humans:

calcium ...
http://www.theodoregray.com/Periodic.../index.s7.html
iron ...
http://www.theodoregray.com/Periodic.../index.s7.html
sodium ...
http://www.theodoregray.com/Periodic.../index.s7.html
potassium ...
http://www.theodoregray.com/Periodic.../index.s7.html

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

HCN,
Good point--there are exceptions. I agree that calcium is safe. I'm sure
that you could easily point out other exceptions. There are even
exceptions related to plants. For example, plants such as poison ivy and
hemlock are harmful.
I also agree that low levels (or low doses) of products (eg antacids)
containing aluminum hydroxide don't usually cause medical problems for
MOST people. I copied the following warning from a bottle of Gaviscon
(antacid):

"WARNING: Do not take more than 16 tablets in a 24 hour period or 16
tablets daily for more than 2 weeks, except under the advice and
supervision of a physician...."

Even if aluminum hydroxide is safer than mercury--it does not mean that
aluminum should be used in vaccines. I have seen at least one study
indicating that at least some children develop severe reactions as a
result of taking vaccines.

Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

First off, Jason, if you learn to use standard posting conventions, it
will make it *much* easier for folks to read your responses to others.
My comments to your post are interspersed below.

Jason Johnson wrote:
snipped
HCN,
Good point--there are exceptions. I agree that calcium is safe. I'm sure
that you could easily point out other exceptions.


Jason, there are soooo many that are required for our health, but too
much will kill you. Take selenium for instance. It's necessary,
mandatory for good health. But the body requires only a teeny, tiny
amount. Going over that narrow window of requirement will kill you,
just as going under that narrow window of requirement will.


snipped
Even if aluminum hydroxide is safer than mercury--it does not mean that
aluminum should be used in vaccines. I have seen at least one study
indicating that at least some children develop severe reactions as a
result of taking vaccines.


This is true for anything. Most people can eat raw onions with no
problems, right? However, I'm mildly allergic to raw onions. My mouth
starts burning, then begins to tingle. My tongue swells slightly and
my mouth goes numb. But I'm the lucky one. My sister winds up in the
hospital with anaphylaxis. (sp?)

Same with shellfish. Most people have no problem eating shellfish.
But some people are deathly allergic. My FIL is so allergic that he
was hospitalized because his *wife* ate shrimp, then hours later kissed
him.

As with all else, YMMV.

Kitten

"Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe" wrote in
message ups.com...
First off, Jason, if you learn to use standard posting conventions, it
will make it *much* easier for folks to read your responses to others.

0000000000000000000000000000000000

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....9af528a461b337

Jun 26 2006 9:01 am

Jason Johnson wrote:
In article , "HCN"
wrote:

Can you find a way to learn how to quote properly?

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....a6dbdce5bcf82c

Mon, Jun 26 2006 9:03 am

David Wright wrote:
In article ,
Jason Johnson wrote:

[Mark replies to David]

NOT one word about learning how to quote properly..

Next?........................


My comments to your post are interspersed below.

Jason Johnson wrote:
snipped
HCN,
Good point--there are exceptions. I agree that calcium is safe. I'm sure
that you could easily point out other exceptions.


Jason, there are soooo many that are required for our health, but too
much will kill you. Take selenium for instance. It's necessary,
mandatory for good health. But the body requires only a teeny, tiny
amount. Going over that narrow window of requirement will kill you,
just as going under that narrow window of requirement will.


snipped
Even if aluminum hydroxide is safer than mercury--it does not mean that
aluminum should be used in vaccines. I have seen at least one study
indicating that at least some children develop severe reactions as a
result of taking vaccines.


This is true for anything. Most people can eat raw onions with no
problems, right? However, I'm mildly allergic to raw onions. My mouth
starts burning, then begins to tingle. My tongue swells slightly and
my mouth goes numb. But I'm the lucky one. My sister winds up in the
hospital with anaphylaxis. (sp?)

Same with shellfish. Most people have no problem eating shellfish.
But some people are deathly allergic. My FIL is so allergic that he
was hospitalized because his *wife* ate shrimp, then hours later kissed
him.

As with all else, YMMV.

Kitten

"HCN" wrote:


"JohnDoe" wrote in message
...
Jason Johnson wrote:

.... And if they ever did, did aluminum cause it?
Dear Jason, the word 'metal' does not equal 'so poisonous it should be
wholly removed from the environment'. While you may not be an anti-vac
liar, you certainly seem to suffer from a degree of delusion with regard
to the toxicity of metals.

...

Hmmm... would that mean (according to those that equate metal to "bad") that
the following metals should never be ingested by humans:

calcium ...
http://www.theodoregray.com/Periodic.../index.s7.html
iron ...
http://www.theodoregray.com/Periodic.../index.s7.html
sodium ...
http://www.theodoregray.com/Periodic.../index.s7.html
potassium ...
http://www.theodoregray.com/Periodic.../index.s7.html


I'm waiting for the day when the anti-psychiatry loons criticise
medications containing lithium because of the risk of heavy metal
poisoning.
--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

"Jan Drew" wrote:


TDN/"HCN" [who thinks it is A OK for the CDC and FDA to
have vested interested in
vaccines]

"JohnDoe" wrote in message
. ..
Jason Johnson wrote:

.... And if they ever did, did aluminum cause it?
Dear Jason, the word 'metal' does not equal 'so poisonous it should be
wholly removed from the environment'. While you may not be an anti-vac
liar, you certainly seem to suffer from a degree of delusion with regard
to the toxicity of metals.

...

Hmmm... would that mean (according to those that equate metal to "bad")
that the following metals should never be ingested by humans:

snip SPAM


The periodic table of the elements is spam??

Please try to drink less, Jan. Have you thought of attending a few
meetings?
--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...e024f1a30f2485

'Fraid so.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....206d13e5b75917

Fraid not.



That's "afraid," you illiterate twit

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....13874dc009b88b

Neither of your links worked, Jan. How about fixing that when you get over
your giggling fit?

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....6c9484fe669fc2


Those were my links, and I have no idea why they didn't work. I
certainly can't be bothered trying to find them again, when everyone
has read the pertinent stuff anyway.

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....msg/271e489e7b...


Fri, Jun 9 2006 10:55 pm


[posted links that didn't work].


http://groups.google.com/group/misc....msg/1c6c9484fe...


Sat, Jun 10 2006 2:57 am


Those were my links, and I have no idea why they didn't work. I
certainly can't be bothered trying to find them again, when everyone
has read the pertinent stuff anyway.


http://groups.google.com/group/misc....msg/5a2a3c5aa9...


Sun, Jun 11 2006 1:43 am


[posted correct links that worked].





http://groups.google.com/group/misc....c823b72b4903de

Gang* Behavior, Lies, Deceiving, Twisting, Insulting, False Blaming and
Belittling.

Another EXCELLENT example of the title of this thread.

Good job, Rich!



"cathyb" wrote in message
ps.com...



Jan Drew wrote:
"JohnDoe" wrote in message
. ..
Jason Johnson wrote:

In article , JohnDoe
wrote:

Jason Johnson wrote:
Mark,
I know that ONE vaccine that contains alumninum is not likely to
cause harm.
However, as you probably know, alumninum is in many different
products
such as antacids. If they started placing alumninum in all
vaccines (to replace
mercury), it could cause high levels of alumninum to build up in
the
bodies of people. Why would you ASSUME that there would be
a
build up?
It could cause as much harm as high levels of mercury.
Why would you assume that? Different toxins act differently.
Spend
some time learning the various types of "snake venom" and how they
work.
It could lead to alumninum poisoning. Heavy metal poisoning
and
alumninum
poisoning are known medical issues. I was shocked when I noticed
that
almost every brand of antacids contains high levels of
alumninum.
Does the body absorb it, though? Does the body retain it?
One dose
of alumninum is NOT a problem--however, I hope that even you
would
agree
that 100 doses of alumninum is a problem--esp. in those people
that
have
an allergic reactions to alumninum. Only if it accumulates
to
a toxic level.
People that have various types of
kidney diseases are advised not to use productes that contain
alumninum. Why?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mark,
You made some good points in your post. I have conducted some
research
related to kidney diseases mainly by reading a book that was
written
by a
kidney specialist that is a professor at a medical college. I am
NOT
an
expert on kidney diseases. It's my understanding based upon what I
read in
that book that diseased kidneys have a difficult time removing
various
substances such as mercury, alumninum (and various types of
medications),
and other heavy metals from the body. As a result, those things
accumuluate and cause great harm. For example, if you drank an
entire
bottle of an antacid (and had normal kidneys), it probably would
not
harm
you. On the other hand, if someone that had weak or diseased
kidneys,
drank a bottle of antacid, the alumninum in that bottle of antacid
may
cause great harm and perhaps even alumninum poisoning. Dear Jason,
have you ever heard the expression: "the poison is in the dosage"? Or:
"one aspirin takes the headache away, a whole bottle takes the patient
away"? Are you aware that you can die from drinking too much water.
Yes,
plain, good ol' H2O. Are you aware that aluminum is one of the most
ubiquitous element on the face of the earth and if it really were that
poisonous, life on earth as we know it would not exist? Are you aware
that aluminum is NOT a heavy metal, but in fact one of the lightest
metals that we know of?
You would be amazed
at the number of medications that have a warning that states:
"People
that
have kidney disease or liver disease should NOT take this
medication."
Yes--I would agree that heavy metals may in some cases (e.g. kidney
disease) accumulate to a toxic level.
Jason
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~

JohnDoe,
True or False:
Is alumninum poisoning a know medical issue?

At what dose Jason, at what dose?

ZZzz.................[just a little dab ill do ya].

To quote an infamous Australian politician, Jan, "Please explain."

Yet again you've managed to write utter gobbledygook.

Remedial English, Jan. Once you can express yourself, people might
begin to give a **** what you think.

Although I doubt it.



.....

This was answered...YESTERDAY!!

Note how John can't answer Jason's question.

Do babies ever develop reactions to the Hep-B vaccine that contains
alumninum?

And if they ever did, did aluminum cause it?

AND..............

Again...John canNOT answer.


Dear Jason, the word 'metal' does not equal 'so poisonous it should be
wholly removed from the environment'. While you may not be an anti-vac
liar, you certainly seem to suffer from a degree of delusion with
regard
to the toxicity of metals.

Jason

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~

But..................John suffers from ARGUING.................and
IGNORING..............FACTS!

Aluminum Neurotoxicity


Redhead K, Quinlan GJ, Das RG, Gutteridge JM. Pharmacol Toxicol 1992
Apr;70(4):278-80.


Aluminium-adjuvanted vaccines transiently increase aluminium levels in
murine brain tissue.


Division of Bacteriology, National Institute for Biological Standards and
Control, Herts., UK.


Aluminum is widely used as an adjuvant in human vaccines, and children
can
often receive up to 3.75 mg of parenteral aluminum during the first six
months of life. We show that intraperitoneal injection of aluminum
adsorbed
vaccines into mice causes a transient rise in brain tissue aluminum
levels
peaking around the second and third day after injection. This rise is not
seen in the saline control group of animals or with vaccine not
containing
aluminum. It is likely that aluminum is transported to the brain by the
iron-binding protein transferrin and enters the brain via specific
transferrin receptors. PMID: 1608913, UI: 92302160


http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/516045_Tables

"Peter Bowditch" wrote in message
...
"Jan Drew" wrote:
....
snip SPAM


The periodic table of the elements is spam??

Oh, gag! She thinks that Theodore Gray's website is spam? THIS is spam?..
http://www.theodoregray.com/PeriodicTable/

I think it is one of the most entertaining places to find information on the
elements. I found after reading Oliver Sacks' autobiography _Uncle
Tungston, Memoirs of a Chemical Boyhood_ and checking out Dr. Sacks' own
website when it was more blog like and mentioned the literal "Periodic
Table": http://www.oliversacks.com/tung.htm (it has since been removed).

If I wanted to spam for Gray I could have included this site:
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ (which is a very cool place to look up math
stuff).



Please try to drink less, Jan. Have you thought of attending a few
meetings?
--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com