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Circumcision as abuse
Todd, as a former medical assistant, I agree with you that infant
circumcision is child abuse. I've wondered if that, along with hormonal differences, of course, is what makes boys and girls different from each other psychologically. Maybe even sets males up for aggressive behavior later because they then have a need to defend themselves by presenting a good offense. Anyway, those are just my musings about it. I have watched a baby boy strapped to a board scream and scream in pain. After witnessing one, I could not assist my doctor with that procedure ever again. I think you're right that at least unanesthetized circ should be considered criminal child abuse. In the best situation, the procedure should be left to the individual to make his own choice after the age of consent. I'm afraid your wild rhetorical style will doom your effectiveness, but I wish you the best in your quest. |
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Circumcision as abuse
How can it be anything other than abuse? The physical mutilation, the
severe emotional and mental stress the child is placed under, are all quite clearly a disturbing form of abuse. If the child's health/life depended on it, then it would be understandable. What would you call it if someone came up to you and briefly informed you (if they even bothered!) that they were going to cut a part of you away from yourself? Because THEY had decided it would be best for you. I cant imagine what a child must feel as all this is going on, strangers cutting away at his body, removing a part of who he is, whilst mummy and/or daddy are standing there watching? How messed up is that? That leads to the very good point you raise that this could well then lead that child to grow up more aggressively as a form of protection and prevention of that happening again. Then the emotional issues for later on in life....it's truly appalling. Johanne- |
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Circumcision as abuse
From the perspective of an observant old grandma......
I've seen the benefits of circumcision for little boys through the years. When they are babies it is much easier to keep them clean. As they aged and become sexually active, the guys who were not circumcised tended to pick up 'diseases' more readily.....they were not as physically 'attractive' to females as were circumcised men......and they were not as 'relaxed and confident' about their sexual abilities or performance. Perhaps not being as physically 'attractive' lead them to have sex with the type of women who were more likely to carry sexual diseases (via multi 'unconfident' partners). Likewise, when speaking openly with uncircumcised adult males in a safe non-sexual environment, they would express feeling a bit 'out of the norm' and wished they'd been circumcised as babies. No, I have no 'scientific' data or funded 'study' to reference. I have never heard of a circumcised male who was traumatized and wished as an adult that he'd never been circumcised. Quite the opposite. Coleah ==================== "Johanne" wrote in message m... How can it be anything other than abuse? The physical mutilation, the severe emotional and mental stress the child is placed under, are all quite clearly a disturbing form of abuse. If the child's health/life depended on it, then it would be understandable. What would you call it if someone came up to you and briefly informed you (if they even bothered!) that they were going to cut a part of you away from yourself? Because THEY had decided it would be best for you. I cant imagine what a child must feel as all this is going on, strangers cutting away at his body, removing a part of who he is, whilst mummy and/or daddy are standing there watching? How messed up is that? That leads to the very good point you raise that this could well then lead that child to grow up more aggressively as a form of protection and prevention of that happening again. Then the emotional issues for later on in life....it's truly appalling. Johanne- |
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Rich.@. wrote in message ... ......and they were not as 'relaxed and confident' about their sexual abilities or performance. Actually circumcision causes desensitization of the penis which is not good wrt sexual performance or enjoyment (for the male). From a woman's perspective 'sensitive penis' are not as satisfiying for "them" longevity-wise. If a balance is desired between enjoyment (for the male) and a climatic ending performance (for the female) a circumcised penis is perferred by the woman. If on the other hand a man is 'super sensitive' and his enjoyment thus short-lived he could experience the same effect with a box of warm liver. No, I have no 'scientific' data or funded 'study' to reference. I have never heard of a circumcised male who was traumatized and wished as an adult that he'd never been circumcised. Quite the opposite. That is not true. As I was speaking strictly for myself and my experience....it is. There are many men who have decreased sensitivity in their penis that wish they were not circumcised. This is especially true when they get older when it is more difficult to get an erection. Aloha, Rich This is a new area for me to learn and understand. I have heard of difficult in older men with getting and maintaining erections, but thought it was an internal hormonal or prostrate type condition. Women have discomfort as they get older which can assist in a general lack of desire for sex. I've seen the television commercials about erectile dysfunction (Bob Dole), but have not taken the opportunity to educate myself from a males perspective (probably since any overwhelming desire for sex was years and years ago g.) Thanks for sharing, Rich. I will do some reading for an expanded point of view. Coleah |
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Circumcision as abuse
For those who are interested, there was an article in Men's Health a
few years back on the topic of circumcising infants. I believe they have it archived online. I'd never really thought about the matter much before reading the article. Between it and the accompanying pictures, I came away convinced that (barring immediate medical necessity) I just didn't have the heart to do that to a kid. The topic came up again when I got married and became pregnant. My husband was relatively pro-circumcision until he, too, read the article. I admit that uncircumcised penises look odd and unfamiliar to me, but I'll get used to it. In the end, it's the kid's penis, not mine or his father's. His dad and I will just be looking after it for a few years until he's old enough to bathe and toilet himself. If he decides later on that he wants to get it cut, he can. The reverse isn't so true. As for whether future prospective mates will find his "little something extra" off-putting, I'm not too worried. People are attracted to and repelled by all sorts of traits, many of which can't be controlled by the person who has them. Height, baldness, breast size, skin color, body hair, and so forth. One could go nuts trying to second guess what someone else will find attractive. Hopefully a loving mate will see my kid as a whole person, not just a flap of skin on the end of his penis - just as I'd hope he'd see his mate as a whole person and not just a set of breasts. But if having a foreskin is a deal breaker at some point, at least it's something that can be changed - this time with anaesthetic and his knowing consent. |
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"nahasafeemapetelan" wrote in message In the best situation, the procedure should be left to the individual to make his own choice after the age of consent. I'm afraid your wild rhetorical style will doom your effectiveness, but I wish you the best in your quest. ======================= I agree 100%! I was talked into having this done by the hospital personal (and my mother) to my own son back in the 1960s. To think how he must have suffered.... and all for nothing! -- Kim The most amazing BS artists there a http://members.rogers.com/kirkkolas/index.html http://www.geocities.com/naturopathi.../Quackery.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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Circumcision as abuse
"Johanne" wrote in message m... Then the emotional issues for later on in life....it's truly appalling. ========================== It is appalling! What's most appalling is how many centuries this had been going on! It's only now that anyone is asking questions and wondering what the hell they were doing..... sickening! -- Kim Colonics to clean out your stuffed up @$$ Of all the toxic goodies you do not pass Globs of gunk and the mucus you store Parasites, flukes and worms galore So take a colonic so you can pass All these nasties from your paracitized @$$..... The most amazing BS artists there a http://members.rogers.com/kirkkolas/index.html http://www.geocities.com/naturopathi.../Quackery.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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Circumcision as abuse - Rich
X-No-Archive: yes Rich.@. wrote in message ... There can be many reasons but decreased sensitivity is one of them. Men have a hard (no pun intended) enough time, when they age, in getting an erection, that any decrease in sensitivity is going to work against them. ==================== I have a close male friend who is 55 years old. Both he and his wife confided in me several times about their sexual difficulties. He would need Viagra about 2 hours BEFORE sex to get an erection. By the time the pill worked, often one or both had lost interest in sex. The spontaneity was gone. Sex was becoming a chore instead of pleasure and fun. There were times the Viagra didn't work at all! Their sex-life was the pits. Due mostly to other reason she finally left him last year. He was very worried the next women would find him undesirable because of his erectile dysfunction. I could understand that. His self-esteem was down the toilet. Enter a YOUNGER and much thinner, prettier woman than his wife was. He recently met a 41 year old divorcee who looks about 30! (I don't know if she had a face lift, or facial surgery). After a very brief time they became intimate. Despite his fears he had NO ERECTION PROBLEM with this younger women! What does something like this tell us? This is the THIRD man I've known who suddenly lost his erection problems with a new partner! Are many of these older men with a problem just tired of their wives? They don't find then sexually attractive or stimulating anymore? Why does a new partner suddenly cause them to function normally again? The other 2 men were with new women but woman their same age - not younger women. I wonder if any research has been done on this? -- Kim Colonics to clean out your stuffed up @$$ Of all the toxic goodies you do not pass Globs of gunk and the mucus you store Parasites, flukes and worms galore So take a colonic so you can pass All these nasties from your paracitized @$$..... The most amazing BS artists there a http://members.rogers.com/kirkkolas/index.html http://www.geocities.com/naturopathi.../Quackery.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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Circumcision as abuse
For those who are interested, a link to an archive of the Men's Health
article on circumcision I referred to in an earlier posting: http://www.infocirc.org/MensHlth.htm Warning: contains photos some may find disturbing. |
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