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On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 20:06:59 GMT, Peter Bowditch
wrote: So we can expect Boyd Haley to come out and say that Andrew Wakefield is "a very foolish or a very dishonest person" any day now. Maybe he won't, but the Brits already discredited Wakefield's research. -- Dorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. The Outer Limits |
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On Apr 9, 11:29 am, Penny Gaines wrote:
JOHN wrote: "Donna Metler" wrote in message ... Which I'll definitely believe. However, having taught in early childhood and kindergarten classrooms before the Chicken Pox vaccine, I know what happens when one of those childhood diseases rips through an unvaccinated population. Within a few weeks, we would have more than half of the students in the pre K and Kindergarten out, plus a handful who had sometimes missed it the first time. And inevitably, that would include at least one older student or adult who had missed it for several years, and would be seriously ill. We haven't had chicken pox vaccine here, UK, but i can't recall it being a problem in any of the 7 schools my kids have been to. I can't recall any kindegarten or pre school incident of it, or primary school. So hardly a problem [snip] One of my kids had it at pre-school, and passed it on to their sibling: there were several other cases within that pre-school. -- Penny Gaines UK mum to three- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Chikenpox is unpleasant. Every day children in this country die from adverse reaction to vaccines.The safety of mercury containing vaccines has recently been questioned. The real data was availible for all to see . The reaction on the people in charge of our health is detailed here " You couldn't even construct a study that shows thimerosal is safe. It's just too darn toxic. If you inject thimerosal into an animal, its brain will sicken. If you apply it to living tissue, the cells die. If you put it in a petri dish, the culture dies. Knowing these things, it would be shocking if one could inject it into an infant without causing damage." ----Dr. Boyd Haley, http://www.whale. to/v/haley. html Professor and Chair, Dept. of Chemistry, University of Kentucky and one of the world's leading authorities on mercury toxicity. (Excerpt from Deadly Immunity http://www.whale. to/vaccine/ kennedy.html ) DR. Haley understands science and the scientific method Read the story if your interested in this subject |
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toto wrote:
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 20:06:59 GMT, Peter Bowditch wrote: So we can expect Boyd Haley to come out and say that Andrew Wakefield is "a very foolish or a very dishonest person" any day now. Maybe he won't, but the Brits already discredited Wakefield's research. It was discredited as soon as it was published. I was being sarcastic. The probability of any promoter of quackery ever criticising another one is negligible, no matter how much they might appear to disagree over fundamentals. -- Peter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com |
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Tilden was the father of natural healinghttp://www.whale.to/a/tilden2.html I have to disagree here. Natural hygiene, Orthopathy, and natural healing began in the USA with the work of Dr. Isaac Jennings in 1822. Dr. Graham followed Jennings. AKA, the Graham craker. Dr. Trall folled Graham. Dr. Tilden followed Trall. Dr. Herbert Shelton followed in the footsteps of Tilden. "The Drug Medical System cannot bear examination. To explain it would be to destroy it, and to defend it even is to damage it."---R.T. Trall M.D. This is as true today as yesterday. Keep up the good work John. DrCee |
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On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 23:47:44 GMT, Peter Bowditch
wrote: toto wrote: On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 20:06:59 GMT, Peter Bowditch wrote: So we can expect Boyd Haley to come out and say that Andrew Wakefield is "a very foolish or a very dishonest person" any day now. Maybe he won't, but the Brits already discredited Wakefield's research. It was discredited as soon as it was published. I was being sarcastic. The probability of any promoter of quackery ever criticising another one is negligible, no matter how much they might appear to disagree over fundamentals. Actually, I am so tempted to go hear Wakefield speak, just to try to figure out what he is really doing in the US now. Unfortunately, I don't have $125 to waste on a conference although I suppose it would be worth that much to hear Vincent Carbone who will also be there. This one has David Kirby, Wakefield and lots of others from the anti-vac crowd speaking, but Carbone will be there too. I wonder how they managed that one. I guess they accept VB ABA as a good therapy despite the insistence that they can *cure* autism with chelation and diet and no vaccinations. -- Dorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. The Outer Limits |
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On Apr 8, 9:41?pm, Mark Probert wrote:
wrote: Very interesting. Thanks for posting it. My daughter works with autistic kids. Stan On Apr 8, 8:00 am, "JOHN" wrote: http://www.whale.to/a/children1.html The peron who posted it is recognized tobe one of the top five net loons. His information is bogus. In the Matter of Mark Probert (Admitted as Mark S. Probert), a Suspended Attorney, Respondent. Grievance Committee for the Tenth Judicial District, Petitioner. 92-02731 SUPREME COURT OF NEW YORK, APPELLATE DIVISION, SECOND DEPARTMENT 183 A.D.2d 282; 590 N.Y.S.2d 747 November 9, 1992, Decided PRIOR HISTORY: [***1] Disciplinary proceedings instituted by the Grievance Committee for the Tenth Judicial District. Respondent was admitted to the Bar on February 15, 1978, at a term of the Appellate Division of the Supreme Court in the Second Judicial Department, under the name Mark S. Probert. DISPOSITION: Ordered that the petitioner's motion to impose discipline upon the respondent based upon his failure to appear or answer is granted; and it is further, HEADNOTES: Attorney and Client - Disciplinary Proceedings Respondent attorney, who is charged with 22 counts of failing to cooperate with investigations of alleged misconduct by the Grievance Committee, and who has failed to answer or appear, is disbarred. COUNSEL: Frank A. Finnerty, Jr., Westbury (Muriel L. Gennosa of counsel), for petitioner. JUDGES: Mangano, P. J., Thompson, Bracken, Sullivan and Harwood, JJ., concur. Ordered that the petitioner's motion to impose discipline upon the respondent based upon his failure to appear or answer is granted; and it is further, Ordered that pursuant to Judiciary Law ? 90, effective immediately, the respondent, Mark Probert, is disbarred and his name is stricken from the roll of attorneys and counselors-at-law; and it is further, Ordered that the respondent shall continue to comply with this Court's rules governing the conduct of disbarred, suspended and resigned attorneys (22 NYCRR 691.10); and it is further, Ordered that pursuant to Judiciary [***2] Law ? 90, the respondent, Mark Probert, is commanded to continue to desist and refrain (1) from practicing law in any form, either as principal or as agent, clerk or employee of another, (2) from appearing as an attorney or counselor-at-law before any court, Judge, Justice, board, commission or other public authority, (3) from giving to another an opinion as to the law or its application or any advice in relation thereto, and (4) from holding himself out in any way as an attorney and counselor-at-law. OPINIONBY: Per Curiam. OPINION: [*282] [**747] By decision and order of this Court dated September 29, 1989, the respondent was suspended from the practice of law until the further order of this Court based upon his failure to cooperate with the Grievance Committee. By further order of this Court dated June 4, 1992, the Grievance Committee was authorized to institute and prosecute a disciplinary proceeding [*283] against the respondent and the Honorable Moses M. Weinstein was appointed as Special Referee. [**748] A notice of petition and petition was personally served upon the respondent on July 2, 1992. No answer was forthcoming. The petitioner now moves to hold the [***3] respondent in default. The motion was personally served upon the respondent on August 14, 1992. The respondent has failed to submit any papers in response to the default motion. The charges involve 22 counts of the respondent's failure to cooperate with the Grievance Committee in its investigations into complaints of professional misconduct. The charges, if established, would require the imposition of a disciplinary sanction against the respondent. Since the respondent has chosen not to appear or answer in these proceedings, the charges must be deemed established. The petitioner's motion to hold the respondent in default and impose discipline is, therefore, granted. Accordingly, the respondent is disbarred and his name is stricken from the roll of attorneys and counselors-at-law, effective immediately Source: NY UNIFIED COURT SYSTEM, ATTORNEY REGIST. UNIT Currency Status: ARCHIVE RECORD NAME & PROFESSIONAL INFORMATION Name: MARK PROBERT Date Of Birth: 11/XX/1946 Gender: MALE Address: 1698 WEBSTER AVE MERRICK, NY 11566 County: NASSAU Phone: 516-968-5572 EMPLOYER INFORMATION Employer: MARK S PROBERT ESQ Organization: PERSON LICENSING INFORMATION Licensing Agency: NY STATE OFFICE OF COURT ADMINISTRATION License/Certification Type: ATTORNEY License Number: 1253889 Issue Date: 00/00/1978 License Status: DISBARRED License State: NY From: Mark Probert - view profile Date: Sun, Feb 11 2001 4:17 pm Email: Mark Probert Groups: k12.chat.teacher Noah has had one since 11/26/96 (my birthday). |
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toto wrote:
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 23:47:44 GMT, Peter Bowditch wrote: toto wrote: On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 20:06:59 GMT, Peter Bowditch wrote: So we can expect Boyd Haley to come out and say that Andrew Wakefield is "a very foolish or a very dishonest person" any day now. Maybe he won't, but the Brits already discredited Wakefield's research. It was discredited as soon as it was published. I was being sarcastic. The probability of any promoter of quackery ever criticising another one is negligible, no matter how much they might appear to disagree over fundamentals. Actually, I am so tempted to go hear Wakefield speak, just to try to figure out what he is really doing in the US now. Unfortunately, I don't have $125 to waste on a conference although I suppose it would be worth that much to hear Vincent Carbone who will also be there. I saw Wakefield speak at a National Vaccine (dis)Information Center talkfest. I had to stop watching when he said that he had included one kid in the autistic group for his research even though they were not autistic - yet. The kid had been vaccinated, so this "scientist" knew that autism would follow. This one has David Kirby, Wakefield and lots of others from the anti-vac crowd speaking, but Carbone will be there too. I wonder how they managed that one. I guess they accept VB ABA as a good therapy despite the insistence that they can *cure* autism with chelation and diet and no vaccinations. -- Peter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com |
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"bigvince" wrote in message ups.com... On Apr 8, 10:59 pm, "Jan Drew" wrote: "Jeff" wrote in message Stan If vaccines are so safe then how come drug companies won't even produce them unless they are granted immunity from lawsuits. How many people have been damanged by vaccines? If anyone has an interest in this they should read "Deadly immunity" just google it. A recent article in he British Medical Journal found sanitation not vaccines the most inportant contributor to better health in the last 50 years Can you imagine a world without vaccines? Vaccines have eliminated or mostly eliminated so many diseases that I cannot understand why there an anti-vaccination movement. Robert |
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"JOHN" wrote in message ... "bigvince" wrote in message ups.com... On Apr 8, 10:59 pm, "Jan Drew" wrote: "Jeff" wrote in message Stan If vaccines are so safe then how come drug companies won't even produce them unless they are granted immunity from lawsuits. How many people have been damanged by vaccines? If anyone has an interest in this they should read "Deadly immunity" just google it. A recent article in he British Medical Journal found sanitation not vaccines the most inportant contributor to better health in the last 50 years Measles deaths declined by 99.4% before vaccination so it is obvious the decline in poverty is the only factor in deaths decline of all vaccine diseases "The 'victory over epidemics' was not won by medical science or by doctors--and certainly not by vaccines.....the decline...has been the result of technical, social and hygienic improvements and especially of improved nutrition. Here the role of the potato...deserves special mention.....Consider carefully whether you want to let yourself or your children undergo the dangerous, controversial, ineffective and no longer necessary procedure called vaccination, because the claim that vaccinations are the cause for the decline of infectious diseases is utter nonsense."--The Vaccination Nonsense (2004 Lectures)---Dr. med. G. Buchwald ISBN 3-8334-2508-3 page 108. Then what is the cause for so many diseases almost disappearing since vaccinating started? Robert |
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"JOHN" wrote in message ... "Jeff" wrote in message news:LWqSh.2552$%l5.856@trnddc05... Actually, chicken pox was killing people before then. Chicken pox never killed anyone before drugs came along to kill their immune system, then you morons sell a vaccine on the back of your immune killing drugs Every drug, including herbs and other so-called 'natural' cures have side effects. However, the side-effects are very rare. Yes, they are for natural herbs and nutrients, but yours kill 120,000 every year in the USA alone In fact I don't know of any herb or nutrient deaths under professional herbal or nutritional MD supervision I don't know of anything that a herb or nutrient has cured. Robert |
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