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JOHN wrote: "Jeff" wrote in message Sorry, you can call people ignorant all you want, but, the reality is that vaccines save lives. A lie, biggest Allopathic lie, in fact "Nobody needs to be confused but EVERYBODY better be darn well frightened about taking ANY vaccine, under ANY circumstance, for ANY reason, at ANY time in their life."--Dr Duffy DC http://www.whale.to/vaccines/quotes.htm Like anyone should be impressed by a chiropractor's opinion on vaccination. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "HPV shots don't cause promiscuity. Tequila shots do." -- Bill Maher |
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JOHN wrote: "Jeff" wrote in message news:%_KSh.6149$V15.4827@trnddc02... Bull. Herbs have rarely been demonstrated in a scientific way to cure much. So says an Allopath, no surprise there http://www.whale.to/a/image/mctaggart_b2.jpg Ooh, McTaggart the idiot, who is so ignorant she can't even think of a medication (aside from antibiotics) that can cure a disease. Not a doctor I'd let practice on me. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "HPV shots don't cause promiscuity. Tequila shots do." -- Bill Maher |
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Unvaccinated children healthier
bigvince wrote:
On Apr 9, 11:29 am, Penny Gaines wrote: JOHN wrote: "Donna Metler" wrote in message . .. Which I'll definitely believe. However, having taught in early childhood and kindergarten classrooms before the Chicken Pox vaccine, I know what happens when one of those childhood diseases rips through an unvaccinated population. Within a few weeks, we would have more than half of the students in the pre K and Kindergarten out, plus a handful who had sometimes missed it the first time. And inevitably, that would include at least one older student or adult who had missed it for several years, and would be seriously ill. We haven't had chicken pox vaccine here, UK, but i can't recall it being a problem in any of the 7 schools my kids have been to. I can't recall any kindegarten or pre school incident of it, or primary school. So hardly a problem [snip] One of my kids had it at pre-school, and passed it on to their sibling: there were several other cases within that pre-school. -- Penny Gaines UK mum to three- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Chikenpox is unpleasant. And may have serious complications for the child. And, of course, adults who have had chicken pox as a child are at risk to develop shingles in later life. Shingles can be so painful that a person becomes non-functional. Every day children in this country die from adverse reaction to vaccines. That sounds like you should be able to prove it. Please do. The safety of mercury containing vaccines has recently been questioned. And then shown to be safe. In fact, there is no proof whatsoever that there are any problems as a result of thimerosal being in the vaccines. However, that is old news, as thimerosal has been removed. I am glad to bring you up to date on this important issue. The real data was availible for all to see. The reaction on the people in charge of our health is detailed here " You couldn't even construct a study that shows thimerosal is safe. It's just too darn toxic. If you inject thimerosal into an animal, its brain will sicken. If you apply it to living tissue, the cells die. If you put it in a petri dish, the culture dies. Knowing these things, it would be shocking if one could inject it into an infant without causing damage." ----Dr. Boyd Haley, http://www.whale. to/v/haley. html Professor and Chair, Dept. of Chemistry, University of Kentucky and one of the world's leading authorities on mercury toxicity. (Excerpt from Deadly Immunity OOPS! Dr. Haley may have all those fancy credentials, but, alas, as has been documented at Ratbags.com, his knowledge of basic chemistry is lacking. He thinks that the fact that the percentage of molecular weight of one atom in a complex molecule actually has meaning. I learned that it does not in high school chemistry. http://www.whale. to/vaccine/ kennedy.html ) Double OOPS! That website is known to be the internet's largest suppository of absurd information. DR. Haley understands science and the scientific method Read the story if your interested in this subject Yes, read that story and have a chuckle if you took high school chemistry. |
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Robert wrote:
"bigvince" wrote in message ups.com... On Apr 8, 10:59 pm, "Jan Drew" wrote: "Jeff" wrote in message Stan If vaccines are so safe then how come drug companies won't even produce them unless they are granted immunity from lawsuits. How many people have been damanged by vaccines? If anyone has an interest in this they should read "Deadly immunity" just google it. A recent article in he British Medical Journal found sanitation not vaccines the most inportant contributor to better health in the last 50 years Can you imagine a world without vaccines? Vaccines have eliminated or mostly eliminated so many diseases that I cannot understand why there an anti-vaccination movement. There is no vaccine against stupidity. |
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toto wrote:
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 23:47:44 GMT, Peter Bowditch wrote: toto wrote: On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 20:06:59 GMT, Peter Bowditch wrote: So we can expect Boyd Haley to come out and say that Andrew Wakefield is "a very foolish or a very dishonest person" any day now. Maybe he won't, but the Brits already discredited Wakefield's research. It was discredited as soon as it was published. I was being sarcastic. The probability of any promoter of quackery ever criticising another one is negligible, no matter how much they might appear to disagree over fundamentals. Actually, I am so tempted to go hear Wakefield speak, just to try to figure out what he is really doing in the US now. Unfortunately, I don't have $125 to waste on a conference although I suppose it would be worth that much to hear Vincent Carbone who will also be there. This one has David Kirby, Wakefield and lots of others from the anti-vac crowd speaking, but Carbone will be there too. I wonder how they managed that one. I guess they accept VB ABA as a good therapy despite the insistence that they can *cure* autism with chelation and diet and no vaccinations. Hi Dorothy! You can get as much entertainment value if you go to the circus. You neglected to mention the Geiers whoi want to chemically castrate autistics. |
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bigvince wrote:
On Apr 8, 10:59 pm, "Jan Dre w" wrote: "Jeff" wrote in message Stan If vaccines are so safe then how come drug companies won't even produce them unless they are granted immunity from lawsuits. How many people have been damanged by vaccines? If anyone has an interest in this they should read "Deadly immunity" just google it. A recent article in he British Medical Journal found sanitation not vaccines the most inportant contributor to better health in the last 50 years That was a net opinion survey. Hardly a source of factual information. |
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Donna Metler wrote:
) "bigvince" wrote in message ups.com... On Apr 8, 10:59 pm, "Jan Drew" wrote: "Jeff" wrote in message Stan If vaccines are so safe then how come drug companies won't even produce them unless they are granted immunity from lawsuits. How many people have been damanged by vaccines? If anyone has an interest in this they should read "Deadly immunity" just google it. A recent article in he British Medical Journal found sanitation not vaccines the most inportant contributor to better health in the last 50 years Which I'll definitely believe. However, having taught in early childhood and kindergarten classrooms before the Chicken Pox vaccine, I know what happens when one of those childhood diseases rips through an unvaccinated population. Within a few weeks, we would have more than half of the students in the pre K and Kindergarten out, plus a handful who had sometimes missed it the first time. And inevitably, that would include at least one older student or adult who had missed it for several years, and would be seriously ill. The first year after the Varicella vaccine became part of the protocol for chicken pox, even in a school where a sizable chunk of our kindergarteners (as high as 20% some years) aren't vaccinated because "personal belief excemptions" are often easier to deal with when you're against the wire for school enrollment than actually getting the child vaccinated for our low income families, we had only 6 children in kindergarten get Chicken pox-all unvaccinated, all in two separate homerooms, where one child was exposed outside of school. In the other kindergarten classes, they avoided the infection entirely, and we didn't have any older children (even though most of them had never been vaccinated) catch it. ANd chicken pox isn't as damaging as many of the childhood diseases which have been part of the protocol for a generation or more. The main thing which allows non-vaccinated children to avoid these diseases is that most people around them are vaccinated. Those people who do not vaccinate their kids are correctly called free-loading child neglecters. |
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"Jeff" wrote in message news:BWWSh.1697$Z66.1597@trnddc06... Explain why the rate of pneumonia is lower thanks to Prevnar. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p....H0&refer=news another poisons based on lies http://www.whale.to/v/prevnar.htm Dr. Erdem Cantekin, a medical researcher, is one of the nation's leading experts on earaches. "It [Prevnar] is an ineffective and toxic vaccine," he said ----[2001] News 8 Investigates: Prevnar "The alleged benefits for this new vaccine are greatly exaggerated and the risks are significant," said Cantekin. ---"Pneumococcal Vaccine and Otitis Media" by Dr. Erdem Cantekin What we do know is that U.S., where the vaccination is already in use, parent doctors have reported 117 deaths relatively soon after vaccination. There is no proof that vaccination was the cause, but the deaths remain obstinately unexplained.[Media Jan 2005 Prevnar vaccine] A JAB TOO FAR---Dr Richard Halvorsen Sodium cyanide is used in the Prevnar manufacturing process, but trace amounts remain in the vaccine itself, according to Livingston. There are in fact, he says, many toxic substances in vaccines. "Mercury, lead, aluminum, cyanide, it's not a pretty picture," Livingston warns, "for a child's immune system, for unsuspecting parents and caregivers, who are never told about the presence of these chemicals, and for employees who have to keep their mouths shut or face losing employment," he adds."[May 2006] Whistleblower Mark Livingston Battles Wyeth Pharmaceuticals "The award was also given this year to Mark Livingston, a pharmaceutical quality control specialist who was involved in the launching of Wyeth Pharmaceuticals' Prevnar pediatric vaccine. In the fall of 2003, Livingston filed a lawsuit in federal court alleging that Wyeth Pharmaceuticals compromised the manufacturing process of bulk vaccine to meet demand. " Whistleblower speaks out - MerckVioxx & also bit on Wyeth Prevnar "Prevnar ranks as one of the biggest selling hype snow jobs in modern medicine. And I haven't even touched on the safety issues, including the fact that this company, like other vaccine manufacturers, can't seem to get around to conducting adequate safety studies."--Nicholas Regush "The evaluation of safety and efficacy and federal approval of Prevnar is laden with ethical questions. Many of the doctors directly involved in the testing and approval process appear to have significant conflicts of interest. The efficacy of the vaccine is questionable and safety testing has been terribly inadequate. There are no long-term studies (i.e. more than 5 years) of the chronic, debilitating and life threatening diseases that this vaccine may cause. The fact that the vaccine is bio-engineered by combining various types and portions of bacteria should require it to undergo considerable scrutiny. Assuming the vaccine has any efficacy at all, the need for universal vaccination needs to be reexamined in light of the small number of children who might be at risk from serious complications from pneumococcal disease. "---Michael Horwin, MA "The Prevnar pre-licensure clinical trials, which Wyeth Lederle paid Kaiser Permanente to conduct, compared two experimental vaccines against each other. To compound this basic methodological flaw, Kaiser and Wyeth Lederle, allowed most of the children in the trial to be given the more reactive DPT vaccine rather than use the safer, less reactive DTaP vaccine. This placed the children in that five-year experiment in greater danger and allowed the drug company to write off the seizures that occurred as being caused by DPT and not Prevnar, when in fact, they didn't know. Even so, the groups of children who got Prevnar suffered more seizures, higher fevers, more irritability and other reactions than did the children who got the other experimental vaccine. It was a no-brainer as far as I was concerned: Kaiser and Wyeth Lederle had proved nothing about Prevnar vaccine safety."--Barbara Loe Fisher |
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"JOHN" wrote in message ... "Jeff" wrote in message news:BWWSh.1697$Z66.1597@trnddc06... Explain why the rate of pneumonia is lower thanks to Prevnar. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p....H0&refer=news another poisons based on lies Lies deleted. Unfortunately, the best you can do is a bunch of quotes from quacks. You have not answered my question. Then again, you never understood the question. Jeff |
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"Jeff" wrote in message news:4XaTh.3703$%l5.3438@trnddc05... Unfortunately, the best you can do is a bunch of quotes from quacks. Quackery http://www.whale.to/vaccines/lymph_h.html "It is difficult to conceive what will be the excuse made for a century of cowpoxing; but it cannot be doubted that the practice will appear in as absurd a light to the common sense of the twentieth century as blood-letting now does to us. Vaccination differs, however, from all previous errors of the faculty, in being maintained as the law of the land on the warrant of medical authority. That is the reason why the blow to professional credit can hardly help being severe, and why the efforts to ward it off have been, and will continue to be so ingenious." Charles Creighton M.D. |
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