regular or organic milk?

wrote:
I googled on this topic but the results are all from several years ago.
I was wondering if you use regular milk or organic milk for your kids
and why.

Thanks.

We use regular milk and chocolate soymilk. Yes, probably a strange
combination.

My husband worked on his uncle's dairy farm as a teenager, about
fifteen years ago (he has actually had non-homogenized,
non-pasteurized, full fat milk). Based on what he experienced there, he
has no problems with non-organic cow's milk. When he worked there at
least, he said the standards were such that any sick cows (those
receiving antibiotics) were not in production (they pumped and dumped).

The cows were well taken care of. My husband had one for his 4H project
one year, and his cousins has several of their own. Perhaps there is a
difference in family-run dairy farms?

As for the chocolate soymilk...ds#1 is terrible about eating veggies
and meat, so the soymilk makes me feel better about that.

annette

On Tue, 31 May 2005 20:02:56 GMT, dragonlady
wrote:

Hormones in milk have actually affected the menstrual onset age of
girls. It's decreased in the past decades from 15 to 10.

What I've read recently says that's actually a myth. The appearance of
secondary sexual characteristics HAS gotten a bit lower, but the actual
onset of menarche is about the same as it's been for over 50 years.

(No, I can't find the citation, but it was an interesting and credible
source.)

I found this interesting (nothing to do with milk though)

http://www.mum.org/menarage.htm

In 1928, The analysis of over ten thousand histories in the United
States and Canada by Engelmann showed that the average age
at which menstruation begins (menarche) is 13.9 years.

and it references this article
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1310280.stm

Thursday, 3 May, 2001

Twelve per cent of girls have their first menstrual period before
they leave primary school, showing a slight decrease in the
average age at which menstruation begins.

A report published in the British Medical Journal shows the
average age of menarche (age at first period) in British
teenagers is 12 years and 11 months.

*****************

The most significant changes in menarche happened in
European countries (including Britain) between the late 19th
and mid 20th centuries, when the average age fell by more
than a year.

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Another interesting story he

http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s958787.htm

*****************
And an international variability study he

http://www.24hourscholar.com/p/artic...04/ai_n8942584





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that can be heard unless someone listens ..

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dragonlady wrote:
In article .com,
wrote:

I googled on this topic but the results are all from several years ago.
I was wondering if you use regular milk or organic milk for your kids
and why.

Thanks.


I use regular, but make sure it's BGH free. That way they use far fewer
antibiotics.

OP here. How do you make sure it's BGH free if it's regular milk? Are
the sellers required to declare that it's BGH free or otherwise on the
milk cartons?

Thanks.


In California it's easy to find out. Yes, there are stores that
advertise that they only sell BGH free milk. I honestly don't remember
if it's on the cartons (and there's no milk in the house right now, so I
can't check) but I know which dairy's are BGH free.
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Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care

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I googled on this topic but the results are all from several years ago.
I was wondering if you use regular milk or organic milk for your kids
and why.

Thanks.

No milk at all. I buy it to cook with, we have never used milk as a
beverage.

"dragon" wrote in message
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wrote:
I googled on this topic but the results are all from several years ago.
I was wondering if you use regular milk or organic milk for your kids
and why.

Thanks.

Neither. I don't personally believe humans should ingest cow's milk.
And, because both DH and I both have sensitivites to it, we've avoided
giving it to our son. However, if I were to offer cow's milk to my
kid, it would most *definately* be organic. I don't want all the
chemicals and hormones they use in corporate dairy farms going into my
child.

Using antibiotics regularly in cows is really bad, because that causes
antibiotic resistance.

However, the hormones (bovine growth hormone) don't affect the quality of
the milk and do not get passed off in the milk. So they let cows make more
milk with the same amount of resources. This reduces the size of the dairy
hurds which is good for the environment (and the cows make less methane).

I would definitely go with regular milk.

Jeff

dragon

"Steve" wrote in message
...
dragon wrote:
wrote:
I googled on this topic but the results are all from several years ago.
I was wondering if you use regular milk or organic milk for your kids
and why.

Thanks.

Neither. I don't personally believe humans should ingest cow's milk.
And, because both DH and I both have sensitivites to it, we've avoided
giving it to our son. However, if I were to offer cow's milk to my
kid, it would most *definately* be organic. I don't want all the
chemicals and hormones they use in corporate dairy farms going into my
child.

dragon

Hot topic.

I've heard all sorts of claims. Who knows what's true. Among the
(sometimes tin foil conspiracy) theories:

Hormones in milk have actually affected the menstrual onset age of
girls. It's decreased in the past decades from 15 to 10.

Milk consumption is down over the last 10-15 years. However, there are no
more hormones in milk than there were 10-15 years ago.

Hormones in milk have created taller kids. Perhaps this is a good
thing.

Better nutrition is to blame.

Any milk consumption at all depletes calcium.

Milk is a source of calcium.

Then there are the mostly believable but unfacable claims that
factory agriculture is cruel to animals. Organic agriculture
is supposedly better.

I kind of figure our food choices will be regarded the same way we
regard daily breakfast of eggs, bacon, and sausage. That is, our kids
will probably be thinking "They put THAT on the food pyramid??"

Most of the organizations have an agenda and are agressive in
promoting it. So wild studies are often quoted as fact.

To make a long story short, I use normal 2% dairy shelf milk.
I'd probably change if I knew for a fact that organic dairy
is more cow-friendly. For the rest of the personal health issues,
I think I'd be more likely developing an ulcer worrying about it
than jeopardizing my health by consumption of the milk.

The only thing that concerns me is the regular use of antibiotics, because
this leads to antibiotic resistance.

Jeff

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"Jeff" wrote:

"dragon" wrote in message
oups.com...
wrote:
I googled on this topic but the results are all from several years ago.
I was wondering if you use regular milk or organic milk for your kids
and why.

Thanks.

Neither. I don't personally believe humans should ingest cow's milk.
And, because both DH and I both have sensitivites to it, we've avoided
giving it to our son. However, if I were to offer cow's milk to my
kid, it would most *definately* be organic. I don't want all the
chemicals and hormones they use in corporate dairy farms going into my
child.

Using antibiotics regularly in cows is really bad, because that causes
antibiotic resistance.

However, the hormones (bovine growth hormone) don't affect the quality of
the milk and do not get passed off in the milk. So they let cows make more
milk with the same amount of resources. This reduces the size of the dairy
hurds which is good for the environment (and the cows make less methane).

I would definitely go with regular milk.

Jeff

dragon




But BGH results in more infections, and more use of antibiotics, which
DOES affect the milk -- so I'll stick with BGH free cows.
--
Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care

"dragon" wrote in message
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wrote:
I googled on this topic but the results are all from several years ago.
I was wondering if you use regular milk or organic milk for your kids
and why.

Thanks.

Neither. I don't personally believe humans should ingest cow's milk.
And, because both DH and I both have sensitivites to it, we've avoided
giving it to our son.

Out of cuiosity, what does he drink, aside from water?


P. Tierney

wrote in message
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I googled on this topic but the results are all from several years ago.
I was wondering if you use regular milk or organic milk for your kids
and why.

Organic, as we mostly shop at stores that only sell such
things. Also, we don't drink much, so the cost difference
between organic and regular isn't an issue.


P. Tierney

"dragonlady" wrote in message
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(...)

But BGH results in more infections, and more use of antibiotics, which
DOES affect the milk -- so I'll stick with BGH free cows.

Do you know how many more infections? And how much of an increase in
antibiotics (assuming that antibiotics are not added to the feed)?

I did a search in scholar.google.com and google.com (regular search) and
didn't find any hard numbers.

You have to weigh the benefits of using fewer cows with the cost of the
increased antibiotic use.

Of cousre, another alternative is to do dairy free.

Jeff

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Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care