3 year old waking up at 3 am

"Banty" wrote in message
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In article ,

She needs to be followed up. For differential diagnosis or maybe a
different
antibiotic.

I agree. Unusual night-waking is a big clue for infection with my
pediatrician's office. If I suspect an ear infection that's one of the first
things they ask.
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JennP.

mom to Matthew 10/11/00
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"Mamma Mia" wrote in message
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our 3 yo gets pains in his legs - and i hav to rub his legs and he
eventually falls asleep. sometimes i give him ibuprofen(spel?). he does
not get this during the day. it is usually after abig day's playing, but
also to do with growing pains i feel.

might be that?

christine
"Lejla/Lyla" wrote in message
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Our DD has been waking up every night at 3 am for the last four nights.

She had a throat and nose infection and was receiving antibiotics and
the
treatment ended a few days before she started waking up at night. The
treatment ended after a doctor check-up who said everything was ok. I
don't
feel like having to go to the doctor again, so please give me some ideas
why
this is happening.

DD wakes up crying and seems to be upset or in pain (she does not know
how
to explain what is wrong and seems to be too upset to communicate). We
take
her to the loo, give her some tea or warm milk, try to comfort her, but
this
crying goes on for an hour or hour and a half. It is stopped instantly
by
some familiar music, but even with the music she does not go back to
sleep.
Her nose also starts running (although we have warm air humidifier on at
all
times in winter) and she rubs her eyes. Her throat is not red, she is
not
in
pain when we check her ears for pain. We thought she might be going
through
a growth period as she just turned 3 years old and increased her dinner
size, which she eats, but still wakes up promptly at 3 am. She was out
of
day-care for a week because of the infection, but she knows the children
and
carers for a long time and this is not the first time she was out
(holiday
or infection) and back again.

TIA

Lejla/Lyla
DD 02 Nov 2000




Thanks for mentioning this - I never thought of it. DD does get up and walks
around - this could have something to do with her feet hurting or being
stiff after five hours in bed. When she gets up it feels almost like she is
up and ready to start a new day and if we return her to bed she protests by
standing up in bed and crying. We gave DD a massage ever since she was an
infant and every night after her bath she gets a gentle massage with the
baby lotion. I always massage her back, hands and feet longer. We are off to
DD's doctor now so will be able to post later on.


--
Lejla/Lyla
DD 02 Nov 2000

On 10 Nov 2003 14:00:19 GMT, Ignoramus6554
wrote:

What are these growing pains, is it a medical condition?

It is a benign phenomenon of children marked by vague knee or ankle
pains at night, typically after a busy day, relieved by ibuprofen and
massage, with no swelling, redness, limping, or persistence of
symptoms until the morning. It may or may not be bone pain from growth
-- no one really knows. The important thing is to distinguish this
benign condition from other, potentially more serious conditions.

PF

Ignoramus6554 wrote:



What are these growing pains, is it a medical condition?

i

It's a phrase that people like PF Riley use when they cannot
explain a medical condition .... it's like being in denial.
(Such a strong emotion.)

This boy is displaying symptoms of RLS. Period. Chances are ....
he will be (50% chance) ADD or ADHD.

Info at:

http://www.rls.org

"L. Kincaid" wrote in message
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Ignoramus6554 wrote:

What are these growing pains, is it a medical condition?

i

It's a phrase that people like PF Riley use when they cannot
explain a medical condition .... it's like being in denial.
(Such a strong emotion.)

This boy is displaying symptoms of RLS. Period. Chances are ....
he will be (50% chance) ADD or ADHD.

From the information provided by "Mamma Mia," NO ONE, including YOU,
could possibly make an indubitable diagnosis. Do you have RLS? Are you
hoping to find company to join you in your misery? There are several
possible causes of nocturnal leg pain in children, and RLS is hardly at
the top of the list! (It's rare in children, and--as I previously
pointed out--more often than not the sensation of an "overwhelming" urge
to move the legs is present, a symptom NOT mentioned by "Mamma Mia.")
Did you even bother to check the links to "growing pains" articles I
provided in my previous post?

Diagnosing *any* condition over the Internet is both impossible and
potentially dangerous, and now you've gone from asserting that not only
(in your opinion) does the boy have RLS, but likely also ADD/ADHD! If
you want to play doctor, perhaps you should confine your practice to
your own family (or, better yet, to *yourself*).

[...]

"Lejla/Lyla" wrote in message
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Our DD has been waking up every night at 3 am for the last four nights.

She had a throat and nose infection and was receiving antibiotics and the
treatment ended a few days before she started waking up at night. The
treatment ended after a doctor check-up who said everything was ok. I
don't
feel like having to go to the doctor again, so please give me some ideas
why
this is happening.

DD wakes up crying and seems to be upset or in pain (she does not know how
to explain what is wrong and seems to be too upset to communicate). We
take
her to the loo, give her some tea or warm milk, try to comfort her, but
this
crying goes on for an hour or hour and a half. It is stopped instantly by
some familiar music, but even with the music she does not go back to
sleep.
Her nose also starts running (although we have warm air humidifier on at
all
times in winter) and she rubs her eyes. Her throat is not red, she is not
in
pain when we check her ears for pain. We thought she might be going
through
a growth period as she just turned 3 years old and increased her dinner
size, which she eats, but still wakes up promptly at 3 am. She was out of
day-care for a week because of the infection, but she knows the children
and
carers for a long time and this is not the first time she was out (holiday
or infection) and back again.

TIA

Lejla/Lyla
DD 02 Nov 2000



Just to update and say that we visited DD's doctor and the nose and throat
infection had not returned. We also visited an ear-nose-throat specialist
who examined her ears and then the throat and nose again and said everything
was ok and that there was no inflammation at all.
This was a great relief- I guess many parents, as well as ourselves, dread
the ear infection because of its pain and persistence. However, as I am
writing this DD has been up for two hours already. We now think it is either
nightmares - she woke up saying no, no, no - or "growing pains" as the leg
massage helped calm her down (but again massage helps whenever she is
upset).
Any other suggestions or advice for these early a.m. hour zombie parents is
still most welcome.


--
Lejla/Lyla
DD 02 Nov 2000

"PF Riley" wrote in message
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On 10 Nov 2003 14:00:19 GMT, Ignoramus6554
wrote:

What are these growing pains, is it a medical condition?

It is a benign phenomenon of children marked by vague knee or ankle
pains at night, typically after a busy day, relieved by ibuprofen and
massage, with no swelling, redness, limping, or persistence of
symptoms until the morning. It may or may not be bone pain from growth
-- no one really knows. The important thing is to distinguish this
benign condition from other, potentially more serious conditions.

PF

Thank you- this was helpful to know.

--
Lejla/Lyla
DD 02 Nov 2000

Christine,
I just wanted to ask how does you 3 yo act when he wakes up and whether it
is anything like DD's behaviour. DD seems to be throwing her legs around,
and kicks with her legs and reaches out towards the feet and does a grabbing
motion.
Thanks


--
Lejla/Lyla
DD 02 Nov 2000

"Mamma Mia" wrote in message
...
our 3 yo gets pains in his legs - and i hav to rub his legs and he
eventually falls asleep. sometimes i give him ibuprofen(spel?). he does
not get this during the day. it is usually after abig day's playing, but
also to do with growing pains i feel.

might be that?

christine
"Lejla/Lyla" wrote in message
...
Our DD has been waking up every night at 3 am for the last four nights.

She had a throat and nose infection and was receiving antibiotics and
the
treatment ended a few days before she started waking up at night. The
treatment ended after a doctor check-up who said everything was ok. I
don't
feel like having to go to the doctor again, so please give me some ideas
why
this is happening.

DD wakes up crying and seems to be upset or in pain (she does not know
how
to explain what is wrong and seems to be too upset to communicate). We
take
her to the loo, give her some tea or warm milk, try to comfort her, but
this
crying goes on for an hour or hour and a half. It is stopped instantly
by
some familiar music, but even with the music she does not go back to
sleep.
Her nose also starts running (although we have warm air humidifier on at
all
times in winter) and she rubs her eyes. Her throat is not red, she is
not
in
pain when we check her ears for pain. We thought she might be going
through
a growth period as she just turned 3 years old and increased her dinner
size, which she eats, but still wakes up promptly at 3 am. She was out
of
day-care for a week because of the infection, but she knows the children
and
carers for a long time and this is not the first time she was out
(holiday
or infection) and back again.

TIA

Lejla/Lyla
DD 02 Nov 2000

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:00:14 -0500, "L. Kincaid"
wrote:

Ignoramus6554 wrote:

What are these growing pains, is it a medical condition?

It's a phrase that people like PF Riley use when they cannot
explain a medical condition .... it's like being in denial.
(Such a strong emotion.)

Note that I didn't call it "growing pain syndrome." People often use
the word "syndrome" when they seek validation for an otherwise
nebulous and/or ill-defined condition. Hmm I wonder if I can think of
an example...

This boy is displaying symptoms of RLS. Period. Chances are ....
he will be (50% chance) ADD or ADHD.

He will be a disorder?

Did you mean to say he has a 50% chance of having or developing ADHD?

PF

I would be interested too in what people have to say. I have a 21
month old son who has woken up the past 2 nights screaming
uncontrollably. He has never done this before, even being one of those
kids that didn't sleep through the night until after he was 1.
Teething, nightwaking, all previous experiences have been something we
could address and help him get back to sleep. This morning he didn't
go back to bed at all after waking at 4:30. (he usually sleeps to
6:30-7:00)

Allie

"Lejla/Lyla" wrote in message ...
"Lejla/Lyla" wrote in message
...
Our DD has been waking up every night at 3 am for the last four nights.

She had a throat and nose infection and was receiving antibiotics and the
treatment ended a few days before she started waking up at night. The
treatment ended after a doctor check-up who said everything was ok. I
don't
feel like having to go to the doctor again, so please give me some ideas
why
this is happening.

DD wakes up crying and seems to be upset or in pain (she does not know how
to explain what is wrong and seems to be too upset to communicate). We
take
her to the loo, give her some tea or warm milk, try to comfort her, but
this
crying goes on for an hour or hour and a half. It is stopped instantly by
some familiar music, but even with the music she does not go back to
sleep.
Her nose also starts running (although we have warm air humidifier on at
all
times in winter) and she rubs her eyes. Her throat is not red, she is not
in
pain when we check her ears for pain. We thought she might be going
through
a growth period as she just turned 3 years old and increased her dinner
size, which she eats, but still wakes up promptly at 3 am. She was out of
day-care for a week because of the infection, but she knows the children
and
carers for a long time and this is not the first time she was out (holiday
or infection) and back again.

TIA

Lejla/Lyla
DD 02 Nov 2000



Just to update and say that we visited DD's doctor and the nose and throat
infection had not returned. We also visited an ear-nose-throat specialist
who examined her ears and then the throat and nose again and said everything
was ok and that there was no inflammation at all.
This was a great relief- I guess many parents, as well as ourselves, dread
the ear infection because of its pain and persistence. However, as I am
writing this DD has been up for two hours already. We now think it is either
nightmares - she woke up saying no, no, no - or "growing pains" as the leg
massage helped calm her down (but again massage helps whenever she is
upset).
Any other suggestions or advice for these early a.m. hour zombie parents is
still most welcome.