The Compulsion to 'Spank'

On 30 Apr 2006 21:59:15 -0700, wrote:

soooooooo, did the little murdering wannabe threaten any more dear
sweet innocent little schools children.............prevented columbine,
didn't it.............thought so...........

]:^ proves she's the link queen............

If school paddling *prevents* school shootings, then explain these
facts. Article by Chris Dugan so I know you probably can't hear it.
I will refrain from quoting his conclusion, though I agree with it.

http://www.geocities.com/cddugan/JonesboroEtc.htm

School paddling is banned in the majority of US states, with the most
populous states overrepresented on the non-paddling list. School
shooting incidents have occurred in the non-paddling states of Alaska,
Michigan, Oregon, and most recently, California. But a
disproportionate number have occurred in small towns in low population
states with high rates of school paddling. The minority of
mostly-rural, mostly-Southern states which still permit school
paddling have an even smaller minority of the overall US population.
Yet the majority of school shootings have happened in these states.
Clearly, if a lack of school paddling caused school shootings, this is
not at all what we should expect to see - quite the opposite.

Not all paddling states are in the Deep South. Paddling is still
permitted in Pennsylvania schools. But this did not prevent a
14-year-old-boy from fatally shooting a teacher and wounding two
students at an eight-grade dance in the town of Edinboro, April 24,
1998.

Arkansas has the second highest school paddling rate in the country -
high even by U.S. Southern standards. Yet this did not prevent two
boys from going on a shooting rampage at their Middle School in
Jonesboro on March 24, 1998. Not only was paddling practiced at this
school, but the older of the two boys, 13 year old Mitchell Johnson,
was reportedly paddled at school the day before the tragedy.

A Reuters wire story on the day of the shooting stated, "It was not
immediately clear what the boys' motives were, although local reports
said they may have been recently disciplined by school teachers"
(Reuters, 1998). The Boston Globe reported, "On Monday, classmates
and their parents said, Johnson brought a pocket knife to school, and
rumors spread through the hallways that he had been paddled for the
violation, a practice allowed in Arkansas schools" (O'Brien, 1998).
One of my own informants told me, "I spoke with the reporter in
Jonesboro and he told me he definitely would not write about the
paddling in the local newspaper, The Jonesboro Sun. When I asked him
why, he said he's sick of people blaming Southern culture for the
shooting."

The teacher said to have paddled Mitchell Johnson for bringing a knife
to school was the only teacher shot and killed by Johnson the
following day. This paddling may or may not have had any influence on
Mitchell Johnson's murderous behavior. We will probably never know.
But it clearly did not prevent the tragedy from happening. If
paddling in the schools is the solution to school shootings, why did
it fail to prevent this one?

The Jonesboro shootings were not the first such incident in Arkansas.
Just three months earlier 14 year old Colt Todd opened fire on
students in the parking lot of his school in the town of Stamps,
wounding two.

The Jonesboro tragedy was also not the first instance of a paddled
student later shooting the same school official who paddled him. 13
year old Robin Robinson was paddled by the principal at his school in
Lanett, Alabama, Oct. 15, 1978. He then returned to school with a
gun, shooting and wounding the principal (Dedman, 2000).

Another high-paddling state is neighboring Georgia, number six on the
paddling list nationwide. Keyvin Lyle Jones, 13, stabbed to death the
principal of his school in Barrow County, just a few weeks after the
Jonesboro tragedy. The weapon Keyvin's hand was a fingernail file.
The weapon in principal Murray O. Kennedy's hand was a paddle. The
Kennedy had thrown the child to the floor shortly before the boy
stabbed him with the nail file. According to an Associated Press wire
story dated April 17, 1998, the boy's mother, who witnessed the
stabbing said she thought her son was reacting out of fear. "I
believe he was afraid of Mr. Kennedy," she said, "He just lost
control, I think, but it happened so quick." Not only did this
school's profligate paddling policy not prevent the murder of a school
official by a student, it may well have precipitated the deadly event.

The paddle-wielding State of Georgia was the scene of two more a
school tragedies the following year. A 17 year old boy shot and
killed a classmate and then took his own life at Central High School
in the town of Carrollton on January 8, 1999. Then, on May 20, 1999,
15 year old T.J. Solomon left six students injured at Heritage High
School in the town of Conyers.

In neighboring Alabama, not only did a school paddling fail to prevent
13 year old Robin Robinson, 13, from bringing a gun to school and
shooting the principal, it may well have been the precipitating event.
In the small town of Lanett, on Oct. 15, 1978, Robin was paddled by
the principal. He returned to school with a gun; when told he would be
paddled again, he shot and wounded the principal.

In Virginia, yet another pro-paddling Southern state, a 14 year old
boy wounded a teacher and a guidance counselor in a school hallway on
June 15, 1998. A more recent school shooting took place in yet
another high-paddling Southern state, when a 13 year old boy gunned
down his teacher at school on May 26, 2000 in Lake Worth, Florida.

In 1999, the Oklahoma legislature passed a resolution encouraging
corporal punishment of children with implements. Oklahoma schools are
near the top of the list for both paddlings and drop out rates, and
near the bottom of the list for SAT scores. But the heavy prospank
culture of Oklahoma homes and schools did not prevent a 13 year old
Middle School student in the town of Fort Gibson from wounding four of
his schoolmates later that same year on Dec. 6 with a 9mm
semiautomatic.

Kentucky is also a pro-paddling state, in which spanking in the home
and in schools is a thoroughly embedded component of the traditional
local culture. Yet this did not prevent West Paducah, Kentucky 14
year old Michael Carneal from killing three and wounding five others
during a prayer meeting at his school on December 1, 1997.
Unfortunately, this was not the first such school tragedy in Kentucky.
In the town of Grayson, Jan. 18, 1993, 17 year old Scott Pennington
shot a schoolmate in the head and a school employee in the abdomen at
East Carter High School.

Tennessee, another pro-paddling state, witnessed a fatal shooting of a
student in the parking lot of the Lincoln County High School in
Fayetteville by fellow student, Jacob Davis, on May 19, 1998.

The only state with a higher paddling rate than Arkansas is
Mississippi, where a 16 year old student killed two and wounded 7 at
school in the little town of Pearl on October 1, 1997.


--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

The Outer Limits

toto wrote:
On 30 Apr 2006 21:59:15 -0700, wrote:

soooooooo, did the little murdering wannabe threaten any more dear
sweet innocent little schools children.............prevented columbine,
didn't it.............thought so...........

]:^ proves she's the link queen............

If school paddling *prevents* school shootings, then explain these
facts. Article by Chris Dugan so I know you probably can't hear it.
I will refrain from quoting his conclusion, though I agree with it.

http://www.geocities.com/cddugan/JonesboroEtc.htm

School paddling is banned in the majority of US states, with the most
populous states overrepresented on the non-paddling list. School
shooting incidents have occurred in the non-paddling states of Alaska,
Michigan, Oregon, and most recently, California. But a
disproportionate number have occurred in small towns in low population
states with high rates of school paddling. The minority of
mostly-rural, mostly-Southern states which still permit school
paddling have an even smaller minority of the overall US population.
Yet the majority of school shootings have happened in these states.
Clearly, if a lack of school paddling caused school shootings, this is
not at all what we should expect to see - quite the opposite.

Not all paddling states are in the Deep South. Paddling is still
permitted in Pennsylvania schools. But this did not prevent a
14-year-old-boy from fatally shooting a teacher and wounding two
students at an eight-grade dance in the town of Edinboro, April 24,
1998.

Arkansas has the second highest school paddling rate in the country -
high even by U.S. Southern standards. Yet this did not prevent two
boys from going on a shooting rampage at their Middle School in
Jonesboro on March 24, 1998. Not only was paddling practiced at this
school, but the older of the two boys, 13 year old Mitchell Johnson,
was reportedly paddled at school the day before the tragedy.

A Reuters wire story on the day of the shooting stated, "It was not
immediately clear what the boys' motives were, although local reports
said they may have been recently disciplined by school teachers"
(Reuters, 1998). The Boston Globe reported, "On Monday, classmates
and their parents said, Johnson brought a pocket knife to school, and
rumors spread through the hallways that he had been paddled for the
violation, a practice allowed in Arkansas schools" (O'Brien, 1998).
One of my own informants told me, "I spoke with the reporter in
Jonesboro and he told me he definitely would not write about the
paddling in the local newspaper, The Jonesboro Sun. When I asked him
why, he said he's sick of people blaming Southern culture for the
shooting."

The teacher said to have paddled Mitchell Johnson for bringing a knife
to school was the only teacher shot and killed by Johnson the
following day. This paddling may or may not have had any influence on
Mitchell Johnson's murderous behavior. We will probably never know.
But it clearly did not prevent the tragedy from happening. If
paddling in the schools is the solution to school shootings, why did
it fail to prevent this one?

The Jonesboro shootings were not the first such incident in Arkansas.
Just three months earlier 14 year old Colt Todd opened fire on
students in the parking lot of his school in the town of Stamps,
wounding two.

The Jonesboro tragedy was also not the first instance of a paddled
student later shooting the same school official who paddled him. 13
year old Robin Robinson was paddled by the principal at his school in
Lanett, Alabama, Oct. 15, 1978. He then returned to school with a
gun, shooting and wounding the principal (Dedman, 2000).

Another high-paddling state is neighboring Georgia, number six on the
paddling list nationwide. Keyvin Lyle Jones, 13, stabbed to death the
principal of his school in Barrow County, just a few weeks after the
Jonesboro tragedy. The weapon Keyvin's hand was a fingernail file.
The weapon in principal Murray O. Kennedy's hand was a paddle. The
Kennedy had thrown the child to the floor shortly before the boy
stabbed him with the nail file. According to an Associated Press wire
story dated April 17, 1998, the boy's mother, who witnessed the
stabbing said she thought her son was reacting out of fear. "I
believe he was afraid of Mr. Kennedy," she said, "He just lost
control, I think, but it happened so quick." Not only did this
school's profligate paddling policy not prevent the murder of a school
official by a student, it may well have precipitated the deadly event.

The paddle-wielding State of Georgia was the scene of two more a
school tragedies the following year. A 17 year old boy shot and
killed a classmate and then took his own life at Central High School
in the town of Carrollton on January 8, 1999. Then, on May 20, 1999,
15 year old T.J. Solomon left six students injured at Heritage High
School in the town of Conyers.

In neighboring Alabama, not only did a school paddling fail to prevent
13 year old Robin Robinson, 13, from bringing a gun to school and
shooting the principal, it may well have been the precipitating event.
In the small town of Lanett, on Oct. 15, 1978, Robin was paddled by
the principal. He returned to school with a gun; when told he would be
paddled again, he shot and wounded the principal.

In Virginia, yet another pro-paddling Southern state, a 14 year old
boy wounded a teacher and a guidance counselor in a school hallway on
June 15, 1998. A more recent school shooting took place in yet
another high-paddling Southern state, when a 13 year old boy gunned
down his teacher at school on May 26, 2000 in Lake Worth, Florida.

In 1999, the Oklahoma legislature passed a resolution encouraging
corporal punishment of children with implements. Oklahoma schools are
near the top of the list for both paddlings and drop out rates, and
near the bottom of the list for SAT scores. But the heavy prospank
culture of Oklahoma homes and schools did not prevent a 13 year old
Middle School student in the town of Fort Gibson from wounding four of
his schoolmates later that same year on Dec. 6 with a 9mm
semiautomatic.

Kentucky is also a pro-paddling state, in which spanking in the home
and in schools is a thoroughly embedded component of the traditional
local culture. Yet this did not prevent West Paducah, Kentucky 14
year old Michael Carneal from killing three and wounding five others
during a prayer meeting at his school on December 1, 1997.
Unfortunately, this was not the first such school tragedy in Kentucky.
In the town of Grayson, Jan. 18, 1993, 17 year old Scott Pennington
shot a schoolmate in the head and a school employee in the abdomen at
East Carter High School.

Tennessee, another pro-paddling state, witnessed a fatal shooting of a
student in the parking lot of the Lincoln County High School in
Fayetteville by fellow student, Jacob Davis, on May 19, 1998.

The only state with a higher paddling rate than Arkansas is
Mississippi, where a 16 year old student killed two and wounded 7 at
school in the little town of Pearl on October 1, 1997.

A couple of things come to mind. One is that regardless of facts
paddlers, often because of their own childhood experience and stuffing
it, are unable to see the illogic of their own arguments.

The other thing is an aside that's been tried on me a few times.

Someone will point to the presence of guns as the problem.

The fact is the children were already breaking the law when they even
possessed a gun. So gun laws aren't going to change a thing.

What will change things is a complete shift away from viewing children
as legally hittable and morally needing hitting.

The law will take care of the one issue, and only education and time
will deal effectively with the other.

Thanks for the update. Kane


--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

The Outer Limits


--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

If anybody fears the tyranny of the majority,
all they have to do is watch three ultraliberals
getting together and describing how they
intend to rule the world. Suddenly tyranny
of the majority doesn't seem as bad.

Greegor wrote:
If anybody fears the tyranny of the majority,
all they have to do is watch three ultraliberals
getting together and describing how they
intend to rule the world.

Could you point us to these three ultra-liberals and some of their
claims they are going to rule the world?

Suddenly tyranny
of the majority doesn't seem as bad.

Tyranny of the majority is ALWAYS bad.

It usually comes right along with a populist shift in political focus in
a country.

Basically they create the same evil as a monarchy.

Argentina was a great example.

We came close to it when there was a short but quickly killed cry to
make George Washington "King" of our new country.

So far, so good.

So tell us, as you have avoided so carefully, do you think the woman was
right to try and stop the 'paddling' of her son that resulted in his
serious injury?

Or you going to dodge some more?

0:-



--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

it's an old story..........liberals forgot how to work for the common
good...........these aren't the liberals that gave America Social
Security..........they have no interest in the common
good...........all they're interested in is how they can use government
to screw parents and promote feminism.............that's why the
current president has abysmal poll ratings and liberals look like the
keystone kops.............they can't win an election because no one
trust them...........


Greegor wrote: we got liberal problems right here in river
city.............

wrote:
it's an old story..........liberals forgot how to work for the common
good...........these aren't the liberals that gave America Social
Security..........

Now there are special approved classes of "liberals?" You have an
interesting way of recycling your old arguments, observer.

they have no interest in the common
good...........all they're interested in is how they can use government
to screw parents and promote feminism.............

Seems like a lot of trouble to go to, don't you think?

that's why the
current president has abysmal poll ratings and liberals look like the
keystone kops.............they can't win an election because no one
trust them...........

The current president is a liberal?

Boy, I must be out of the loop.

Is he a feminist too, observer?

0:-



Greegor wrote: we got liberal problems right here in river
city.............



--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

wrote:
oh, my, somebody forgot a little history.............

Or didn't mention it.

the country tried
government without a president and it didn't work very
well............the country won its freedom with a constitution that
didn't include a president or a federal court system............

The constitution had nothing to do with winning its freedom. Where do
you get these strange ideas?

We simply threw out, after a bitter war, the minions of the king.

the
gov'ment could declare war but couldn't tax............

Which means?

of course, they
don't dare teach that in schools.............

Funny, they taught it to me in school.

why, that'd be down right
subversive............

Odd claim to make considering that you have pegged teachers as subversives.


]:^ whines about king george...........


Well, then stop. Your whining is getting more childish and petulant by
the day, observer.

0:-

--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

In the past decade, 25% of shooting on school grounds have occurred in
the North, 30% in the South, and 20% in the Western United States. 25%
have been foreign, including 1 in no-spank, never-spank Sweden!

Of the 40 recent school shootings worldwide, there have been 2 more in
the Southern United States than in the Northern tier. The North-South
divide is roughly the boundary between paddle-exclusive and
paddle-permissive states.

When it comes to killing teachers and administrators, overseas school
shootings account for almost 70% of the deaths. The 3 principal regions
of the United States equally share the remainder.

The South leads in wounding teachers and administrators, followed by
foreign nations.

Foreign nations lead in student deaths attributed to school shootings.
The Western United States is second. When it comes to wounding fellow
students, Western shooters are the winner by a landslide, claiming over
half the body count.

Only 2 of the 21st century school shootings have been in the South. 8
have been in the North or West.

A profile of the typical school shooter doesn't exist. Bully is a
common factor. Some of the shootings appear gang related. Others seem
to stem from boyfriend-girlfriend problems.

The Boston Globe is owned by the New York Times Company. The Old Gray
and sometimes-shady Lady has been infamously linked to fabricated
stories and quotes. The fastest way to get a reporter to get story
printed in the Times is to denigrate the South. The paper was
responsible for popularizing and exaggerating the Hatfield-McCoy feud
merely to show how much better things were in the slums than in the
boondocks!

Cultural wars aside, the Jonesboro shooting may have been as much a
copycat of the Stamps shooting as anything given the ambush style in
which it was carried out. A little over 3 months separate the 2
events.

The SAT is a joke. It's a relic of white-bias intelligence testing
begun by Northeastern elites to control immigration and promote
eugenics. It indicates family income and race. Even its name was
changed a few years back to reflect its widely recognized inability to
predict freshman performance. The Reasoning Test had 3 sections added
last year. It may be changed yet again in an effort to survive. ETS
is being currently sued for erroneous scoring! Some colleges ignore
the SAT. Others minimize its importance. Its primary use is to
exclude students when applications greatly exceed capacity in better
schools.

State average SAT scores are unreliable because, even along the East
Coast where the test is halfway popular, certain students are
encouraged to take the test while others are discouraged from doing so.
Other states are less restrictive. Students also take the test based
on whether they plan on going to college as well as where they plan to
go.

Oklahoma's liberalized spanking law was passed to keep that state's
parents from being harassed by the feminist-dominated child welfare
Schutzstaffel. They took advantage of devolution to define abuse
first.

toto wrote:
On 30 Apr 2006 21:59:15 -0700, wrote:

soooooooo, did the little murdering wannabe threaten any more dear
sweet innocent little schools children.............prevented columbine,
didn't it.............thought so...........

]:^ proves she's the link queen............

If school paddling *prevents* school shootings, then explain these
facts. Article by Chris Dugan so I know you probably can't hear it.
I will refrain from quoting his conclusion, though I agree with it.

http://www.geocities.com/cddugan/JonesboroEtc.htm

School paddling is banned in the majority of US states, with the most
populous states overrepresented on the non-paddling list. School
shooting incidents have occurred in the non-paddling states of Alaska,
Michigan, Oregon, and most recently, California. But a
disproportionate number have occurred in small towns in low population
states with high rates of school paddling. The minority of
mostly-rural, mostly-Southern states which still permit school
paddling have an even smaller minority of the overall US population.
Yet the majority of school shootings have happened in these states.
Clearly, if a lack of school paddling caused school shootings, this is
not at all what we should expect to see - quite the opposite.

Not all paddling states are in the Deep South. Paddling is still
permitted in Pennsylvania schools. But this did not prevent a
14-year-old-boy from fatally shooting a teacher and wounding two
students at an eight-grade dance in the town of Edinboro, April 24,
1998.

Arkansas has the second highest school paddling rate in the country -
high even by U.S. Southern standards. Yet this did not prevent two
boys from going on a shooting rampage at their Middle School in
Jonesboro on March 24, 1998. Not only was paddling practiced at this
school, but the older of the two boys, 13 year old Mitchell Johnson,
was reportedly paddled at school the day before the tragedy.

A Reuters wire story on the day of the shooting stated, "It was not
immediately clear what the boys' motives were, although local reports
said they may have been recently disciplined by school teachers"
(Reuters, 1998). The Boston Globe reported, "On Monday, classmates
and their parents said, Johnson brought a pocket knife to school, and
rumors spread through the hallways that he had been paddled for the
violation, a practice allowed in Arkansas schools" (O'Brien, 1998).
One of my own informants told me, "I spoke with the reporter in
Jonesboro and he told me he definitely would not write about the
paddling in the local newspaper, The Jonesboro Sun. When I asked him
why, he said he's sick of people blaming Southern culture for the
shooting."

The teacher said to have paddled Mitchell Johnson for bringing a knife
to school was the only teacher shot and killed by Johnson the
following day. This paddling may or may not have had any influence on
Mitchell Johnson's murderous behavior. We will probably never know.
But it clearly did not prevent the tragedy from happening. If
paddling in the schools is the solution to school shootings, why did
it fail to prevent this one?

The Jonesboro shootings were not the first such incident in Arkansas.
Just three months earlier 14 year old Colt Todd opened fire on
students in the parking lot of his school in the town of Stamps,
wounding two.

The Jonesboro tragedy was also not the first instance of a paddled
student later shooting the same school official who paddled him. 13
year old Robin Robinson was paddled by the principal at his school in
Lanett, Alabama, Oct. 15, 1978. He then returned to school with a
gun, shooting and wounding the principal (Dedman, 2000).

Another high-paddling state is neighboring Georgia, number six on the
paddling list nationwide. Keyvin Lyle Jones, 13, stabbed to death the
principal of his school in Barrow County, just a few weeks after the
Jonesboro tragedy. The weapon Keyvin's hand was a fingernail file.
The weapon in principal Murray O. Kennedy's hand was a paddle. The
Kennedy had thrown the child to the floor shortly before the boy
stabbed him with the nail file. According to an Associated Press wire
story dated April 17, 1998, the boy's mother, who witnessed the
stabbing said she thought her son was reacting out of fear. "I
believe he was afraid of Mr. Kennedy," she said, "He just lost
control, I think, but it happened so quick." Not only did this
school's profligate paddling policy not prevent the murder of a school
official by a student, it may well have precipitated the deadly event.

The paddle-wielding State of Georgia was the scene of two more a
school tragedies the following year. A 17 year old boy shot and
killed a classmate and then took his own life at Central High School
in the town of Carrollton on January 8, 1999. Then, on May 20, 1999,
15 year old T.J. Solomon left six students injured at Heritage High
School in the town of Conyers.

In neighboring Alabama, not only did a school paddling fail to prevent
13 year old Robin Robinson, 13, from bringing a gun to school and
shooting the principal, it may well have been the precipitating event.
In the small town of Lanett, on Oct. 15, 1978, Robin was paddled by
the principal. He returned to school with a gun; when told he would be
paddled again, he shot and wounded the principal.

In Virginia, yet another pro-paddling Southern state, a 14 year old
boy wounded a teacher and a guidance counselor in a school hallway on
June 15, 1998. A more recent school shooting took place in yet
another high-paddling Southern state, when a 13 year old boy gunned
down his teacher at school on May 26, 2000 in Lake Worth, Florida.

In 1999, the Oklahoma legislature passed a resolution encouraging
corporal punishment of children with implements. Oklahoma schools are
near the top of the list for both paddlings and drop out rates, and
near the bottom of the list for SAT scores. But the heavy prospank
culture of Oklahoma homes and schools did not prevent a 13 year old
Middle School student in the town of Fort Gibson from wounding four of
his schoolmates later that same year on Dec. 6 with a 9mm
semiautomatic.

Kentucky is also a pro-paddling state, in which spanking in the home
and in schools is a thoroughly embedded component of the traditional
local culture. Yet this did not prevent West Paducah, Kentucky 14
year old Michael Carneal from killing three and wounding five others
during a prayer meeting at his school on December 1, 1997.
Unfortunately, this was not the first such school tragedy in Kentucky.
In the town of Grayson, Jan. 18, 1993, 17 year old Scott Pennington
shot a schoolmate in the head and a school employee in the abdomen at
East Carter High School.

Tennessee, another pro-paddling state, witnessed a fatal shooting of a
student in the parking lot of the Lincoln County High School in
Fayetteville by fellow student, Jacob Davis, on May 19, 1998.

The only state with a higher paddling rate than Arkansas is
Mississippi, where a 16 year old student killed two and wounded 7 at
school in the little town of Pearl on October 1, 1997.


--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

The Outer Limits

Opinions wrote:
In the past decade, 25% of shooting on school grounds have occurred in
the North, 30% in the South, and 20% in the Western United States. 25%
have been foreign, including 1 in no-spank, never-spank Sweden!

Sweden has not been a no-spank never-spank country, and it's now flooded
with immigrants that flout the law. Not just the no-spank law.

Of the 40 recent school shootings worldwide, there have been 2 more in
the Southern United States than in the Northern tier. The North-South
divide is roughly the boundary between paddle-exclusive and
paddle-permissive states.

Mmmmhhhmmmmm..

When it comes to killing teachers and administrators, overseas school
shootings account for almost 70% of the deaths. The 3 principal regions
of the United States equally share the remainder.

The South leads in wounding teachers and administrators, followed by
foreign nations.

Where school paddling and whippings there and at home are far more common..

Foreign nations lead in student deaths attributed to school shootings.
The Western United States is second. When it comes to wounding fellow
students, Western shooters are the winner by a landslide, claiming over
half the body count.

Only 2 of the 21st century school shootings have been in the South. 8
have been in the North or West.

What has the century to do with it?

A profile of the typical school shooter doesn't exist. Bully is a
common factor. Some of the shootings appear gang related. Others seem
to stem from boyfriend-girlfriend problems.

Yet you just listed some profile items. What a strange way to make a
claim....first claim it, then refute it in the same paragraph. I think
that's a record for you and yours, maggie.

The Boston Globe is owned by the New York Times Company. The Old Gray
and sometimes-shady Lady has been infamously linked to fabricated
stories and quotes. The fastest way to get a reporter to get story
printed in the Times is to denigrate the South. The paper was
responsible for popularizing and exaggerating the Hatfield-McCoy feud
merely to show how much better things were in the slums than in the
boondocks!

Cultural wars aside, the Jonesboro shooting may have been as much a
copycat of the Stamps shooting as anything given the ambush style in
which it was carried out. A little over 3 months separate the 2
events.

Oh, the boys didn't shoot because one was paddled, right?

Your logic is equal to your IQ.

The SAT is a joke. It's a relic of white-bias intelligence testing
begun by Northeastern elites to control immigration and promote
eugenics. It indicates family income and race. Even its name was
changed a few years back to reflect its widely recognized inability to
predict freshman performance. The Reasoning Test had 3 sections added
last year. It may be changed yet again in an effort to survive. ETS
is being currently sued for erroneous scoring! Some colleges ignore
the SAT. Others minimize its importance. Its primary use is to
exclude students when applications greatly exceed capacity in better
schools.

State average SAT scores are unreliable because, even along the East
Coast where the test is halfway popular, certain students are
encouraged to take the test while others are discouraged from doing so.
Other states are less restrictive. Students also take the test based
on whether they plan on going to college as well as where they plan to
go.

Mmmm...hmmmmm.

Oklahoma's liberalized spanking law was passed to keep that state's
parents from being harassed by the feminist-dominated child welfare
Schutzstaffel. They took advantage of devolution to define abuse
first.

Oh sure. About as brilliant a product of the pro spanking compulsives as
one could wish.

You still haven't proven feminists dominate child welfare OR education.

It's you fevered fantasy. In yours do they wear high heeled black thigh
high boots, and leather corsets, and dog collars, and snap a whip?

You can't debate the real issues of spanking so you make things up.

0:-






toto wrote:
On 30 Apr 2006 21:59:15 -0700, wrote:

soooooooo, did the little murdering wannabe threaten any more dear
sweet innocent little schools children.............prevented columbine,
didn't it.............thought so...........

]:^ proves she's the link queen............
If school paddling *prevents* school shootings, then explain these
facts. Article by Chris Dugan so I know you probably can't hear it.
I will refrain from quoting his conclusion, though I agree with it.

http://www.geocities.com/cddugan/JonesboroEtc.htm

School paddling is banned in the majority of US states, with the most
populous states overrepresented on the non-paddling list. School
shooting incidents have occurred in the non-paddling states of Alaska,
Michigan, Oregon, and most recently, California. But a
disproportionate number have occurred in small towns in low population
states with high rates of school paddling. The minority of
mostly-rural, mostly-Southern states which still permit school
paddling have an even smaller minority of the overall US population.
Yet the majority of school shootings have happened in these states.
Clearly, if a lack of school paddling caused school shootings, this is
not at all what we should expect to see - quite the opposite.

Not all paddling states are in the Deep South. Paddling is still
permitted in Pennsylvania schools. But this did not prevent a
14-year-old-boy from fatally shooting a teacher and wounding two
students at an eight-grade dance in the town of Edinboro, April 24,
1998.

Arkansas has the second highest school paddling rate in the country -
high even by U.S. Southern standards. Yet this did not prevent two
boys from going on a shooting rampage at their Middle School in
Jonesboro on March 24, 1998. Not only was paddling practiced at this
school, but the older of the two boys, 13 year old Mitchell Johnson,
was reportedly paddled at school the day before the tragedy.

A Reuters wire story on the day of the shooting stated, "It was not
immediately clear what the boys' motives were, although local reports
said they may have been recently disciplined by school teachers"
(Reuters, 1998). The Boston Globe reported, "On Monday, classmates
and their parents said, Johnson brought a pocket knife to school, and
rumors spread through the hallways that he had been paddled for the
violation, a practice allowed in Arkansas schools" (O'Brien, 1998).
One of my own informants told me, "I spoke with the reporter in
Jonesboro and he told me he definitely would not write about the
paddling in the local newspaper, The Jonesboro Sun. When I asked him
why, he said he's sick of people blaming Southern culture for the
shooting."

The teacher said to have paddled Mitchell Johnson for bringing a knife
to school was the only teacher shot and killed by Johnson the
following day. This paddling may or may not have had any influence on
Mitchell Johnson's murderous behavior. We will probably never know.
But it clearly did not prevent the tragedy from happening. If
paddling in the schools is the solution to school shootings, why did
it fail to prevent this one?

The Jonesboro shootings were not the first such incident in Arkansas.
Just three months earlier 14 year old Colt Todd opened fire on
students in the parking lot of his school in the town of Stamps,
wounding two.

The Jonesboro tragedy was also not the first instance of a paddled
student later shooting the same school official who paddled him. 13
year old Robin Robinson was paddled by the principal at his school in
Lanett, Alabama, Oct. 15, 1978. He then returned to school with a
gun, shooting and wounding the principal (Dedman, 2000).

Another high-paddling state is neighboring Georgia, number six on the
paddling list nationwide. Keyvin Lyle Jones, 13, stabbed to death the
principal of his school in Barrow County, just a few weeks after the
Jonesboro tragedy. The weapon Keyvin's hand was a fingernail file.
The weapon in principal Murray O. Kennedy's hand was a paddle. The
Kennedy had thrown the child to the floor shortly before the boy
stabbed him with the nail file. According to an Associated Press wire
story dated April 17, 1998, the boy's mother, who witnessed the
stabbing said she thought her son was reacting out of fear. "I
believe he was afraid of Mr. Kennedy," she said, "He just lost
control, I think, but it happened so quick." Not only did this
school's profligate paddling policy not prevent the murder of a school
official by a student, it may well have precipitated the deadly event.

The paddle-wielding State of Georgia was the scene of two more a
school tragedies the following year. A 17 year old boy shot and
killed a classmate and then took his own life at Central High School
in the town of Carrollton on January 8, 1999. Then, on May 20, 1999,
15 year old T.J. Solomon left six students injured at Heritage High
School in the town of Conyers.

In neighboring Alabama, not only did a school paddling fail to prevent
13 year old Robin Robinson, 13, from bringing a gun to school and
shooting the principal, it may well have been the precipitating event.
In the small town of Lanett, on Oct. 15, 1978, Robin was paddled by
the principal. He returned to school with a gun; when told he would be
paddled again, he shot and wounded the principal.

In Virginia, yet another pro-paddling Southern state, a 14 year old
boy wounded a teacher and a guidance counselor in a school hallway on
June 15, 1998. A more recent school shooting took place in yet
another high-paddling Southern state, when a 13 year old boy gunned
down his teacher at school on May 26, 2000 in Lake Worth, Florida.

In 1999, the Oklahoma legislature passed a resolution encouraging
corporal punishment of children with implements. Oklahoma schools are
near the top of the list for both paddlings and drop out rates, and
near the bottom of the list for SAT scores. But the heavy prospank
culture of Oklahoma homes and schools did not prevent a 13 year old
Middle School student in the town of Fort Gibson from wounding four of
his schoolmates later that same year on Dec. 6 with a 9mm
semiautomatic.

Kentucky is also a pro-paddling state, in which spanking in the home
and in schools is a thoroughly embedded component of the traditional
local culture. Yet this did not prevent West Paducah, Kentucky 14
year old Michael Carneal from killing three and wounding five others
during a prayer meeting at his school on December 1, 1997.
Unfortunately, this was not the first such school tragedy in Kentucky.
In the town of Grayson, Jan. 18, 1993, 17 year old Scott Pennington
shot a schoolmate in the head and a school employee in the abdomen at
East Carter High School.

Tennessee, another pro-paddling state, witnessed a fatal shooting of a
student in the parking lot of the Lincoln County High School in
Fayetteville by fellow student, Jacob Davis, on May 19, 1998.

The only state with a higher paddling rate than Arkansas is
Mississippi, where a 16 year old student killed two and wounded 7 at
school in the little town of Pearl on October 1, 1997.


--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

The Outer Limits



--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

Of course "maggie" didn't respond, because there was no response she
could make. Thanks for posting this, however. I still believe there
are lurkers out there who are influenced by what we post.

LaVonne

toto wrote:

On 30 Apr 2006 21:59:15 -0700, wrote:


soooooooo, did the little murdering wannabe threaten any more dear
sweet innocent little schools children.............prevented columbine,
didn't it.............thought so...........

]:^ proves she's the link queen............


If school paddling *prevents* school shootings, then explain these
facts. Article by Chris Dugan so I know you probably can't hear it.
I will refrain from quoting his conclusion, though I agree with it.

http://www.geocities.com/cddugan/JonesboroEtc.htm

School paddling is banned in the majority of US states, with the most
populous states overrepresented on the non-paddling list. School
shooting incidents have occurred in the non-paddling states of Alaska,
Michigan, Oregon, and most recently, California. But a
disproportionate number have occurred in small towns in low population
states with high rates of school paddling. The minority of
mostly-rural, mostly-Southern states which still permit school
paddling have an even smaller minority of the overall US population.
Yet the majority of school shootings have happened in these states.
Clearly, if a lack of school paddling caused school shootings, this is
not at all what we should expect to see - quite the opposite.

Not all paddling states are in the Deep South. Paddling is still
permitted in Pennsylvania schools. But this did not prevent a
14-year-old-boy from fatally shooting a teacher and wounding two
students at an eight-grade dance in the town of Edinboro, April 24,
1998.

Arkansas has the second highest school paddling rate in the country -
high even by U.S. Southern standards. Yet this did not prevent two
boys from going on a shooting rampage at their Middle School in
Jonesboro on March 24, 1998. Not only was paddling practiced at this
school, but the older of the two boys, 13 year old Mitchell Johnson,
was reportedly paddled at school the day before the tragedy.

A Reuters wire story on the day of the shooting stated, "It was not
immediately clear what the boys' motives were, although local reports
said they may have been recently disciplined by school teachers"
(Reuters, 1998). The Boston Globe reported, "On Monday, classmates
and their parents said, Johnson brought a pocket knife to school, and
rumors spread through the hallways that he had been paddled for the
violation, a practice allowed in Arkansas schools" (O'Brien, 1998).
One of my own informants told me, "I spoke with the reporter in
Jonesboro and he told me he definitely would not write about the
paddling in the local newspaper, The Jonesboro Sun. When I asked him
why, he said he's sick of people blaming Southern culture for the
shooting."

The teacher said to have paddled Mitchell Johnson for bringing a knife
to school was the only teacher shot and killed by Johnson the
following day. This paddling may or may not have had any influence on
Mitchell Johnson's murderous behavior. We will probably never know.
But it clearly did not prevent the tragedy from happening. If
paddling in the schools is the solution to school shootings, why did
it fail to prevent this one?

The Jonesboro shootings were not the first such incident in Arkansas.
Just three months earlier 14 year old Colt Todd opened fire on
students in the parking lot of his school in the town of Stamps,
wounding two.

The Jonesboro tragedy was also not the first instance of a paddled
student later shooting the same school official who paddled him. 13
year old Robin Robinson was paddled by the principal at his school in
Lanett, Alabama, Oct. 15, 1978. He then returned to school with a
gun, shooting and wounding the principal (Dedman, 2000).

Another high-paddling state is neighboring Georgia, number six on the
paddling list nationwide. Keyvin Lyle Jones, 13, stabbed to death the
principal of his school in Barrow County, just a few weeks after the
Jonesboro tragedy. The weapon Keyvin's hand was a fingernail file.
The weapon in principal Murray O. Kennedy's hand was a paddle. The
Kennedy had thrown the child to the floor shortly before the boy
stabbed him with the nail file. According to an Associated Press wire
story dated April 17, 1998, the boy's mother, who witnessed the
stabbing said she thought her son was reacting out of fear. "I
believe he was afraid of Mr. Kennedy," she said, "He just lost
control, I think, but it happened so quick." Not only did this
school's profligate paddling policy not prevent the murder of a school
official by a student, it may well have precipitated the deadly event.

The paddle-wielding State of Georgia was the scene of two more a
school tragedies the following year. A 17 year old boy shot and
killed a classmate and then took his own life at Central High School
in the town of Carrollton on January 8, 1999. Then, on May 20, 1999,
15 year old T.J. Solomon left six students injured at Heritage High
School in the town of Conyers.

In neighboring Alabama, not only did a school paddling fail to prevent
13 year old Robin Robinson, 13, from bringing a gun to school and
shooting the principal, it may well have been the precipitating event.
In the small town of Lanett, on Oct. 15, 1978, Robin was paddled by
the principal. He returned to school with a gun; when told he would be
paddled again, he shot and wounded the principal.

In Virginia, yet another pro-paddling Southern state, a 14 year old
boy wounded a teacher and a guidance counselor in a school hallway on
June 15, 1998. A more recent school shooting took place in yet
another high-paddling Southern state, when a 13 year old boy gunned
down his teacher at school on May 26, 2000 in Lake Worth, Florida.

In 1999, the Oklahoma legislature passed a resolution encouraging
corporal punishment of children with implements. Oklahoma schools are
near the top of the list for both paddlings and drop out rates, and
near the bottom of the list for SAT scores. But the heavy prospank
culture of Oklahoma homes and schools did not prevent a 13 year old
Middle School student in the town of Fort Gibson from wounding four of
his schoolmates later that same year on Dec. 6 with a 9mm
semiautomatic.

Kentucky is also a pro-paddling state, in which spanking in the home
and in schools is a thoroughly embedded component of the traditional
local culture. Yet this did not prevent West Paducah, Kentucky 14
year old Michael Carneal from killing three and wounding five others
during a prayer meeting at his school on December 1, 1997.
Unfortunately, this was not the first such school tragedy in Kentucky.
In the town of Grayson, Jan. 18, 1993, 17 year old Scott Pennington
shot a schoolmate in the head and a school employee in the abdomen at
East Carter High School.

Tennessee, another pro-paddling state, witnessed a fatal shooting of a
student in the parking lot of the Lincoln County High School in
Fayetteville by fellow student, Jacob Davis, on May 19, 1998.

The only state with a higher paddling rate than Arkansas is
Mississippi, where a 16 year old student killed two and wounded 7 at
school in the little town of Pearl on October 1, 1997.


--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

The Outer Limits