Who has the ultimate right to choose?

"CafeWriter" wrote in message
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On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:49:54 -0700, "teachrmama"
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"CafeWriter" wrote in message
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Are you really stupid? Or do you think everyone else is?
Women have died from complications from a tubal.
Women have had complications from pills, and IUDS, decided on a
tubal
and died.
Liz is correct, any man that doesn't want to father a child and be
a
real daddy, should get his cords clipped. Far safer than a tubal for
a
woman. Any man that doesn't want to get a STD, needs to use a
condom,
unless he has absolute faith in his partner.
The father of any child should support that child, even if he has
to
be put in a slave labor condition. Men can prevent pregnancy in the
woman he is taking pleasure from.

My body. My choice. Women have no right to tell men what they
should do
regarding their bodies. If a man makes a poor choice, women should
be
held
financially responsible for my choice just as men are held
financially
responsible when women make unilateral choices.

I can't wait for the Equal Rights Amendment to come up again.



Here's the Lesson Number One:

Only women can get pregnant, not men.

Lesson Number Two:

Men cannot get pregnant.

Lesson Number Three:

If a man gets pregnant, then by all means, he can do whatever he wants
to
do. But if a woman gets pregnant, only she can make the decision
without
"the help of a darling man".

Lesson Number Four:

There are many, many unwanted children in this world. Are you sure
you
wanted to add more to the unwanted population, men?

Why not make 50/50 joint custody, with each parent supporting the child
while the child is with them the norm? That would solve all problems,
right?

Many in prison are parents, many single parents are widowed. Many
parents are drug addicts. And many are self centered, idiots that
simply live for the moment.

This is true of both men and women. Let's treat them both the same.


Yet another reason why I chose to stay single permanently (for the rest of
my life).

Considering your feelings on the subject, I think your choice is very wise.
I hope it is working out well for you. =c)

"CafeWriter" wrote in

Accidents happen, kiddo, are you implying that women pay for these
accidents?

Why shouldn't she if she knew the consequences of her actions?

If you get into a boat without a life jacket and you drown, who is to blame
but yourself!!!!!!!!!!

"CafeWriter" wrote in

No problems! No Children = Freedom!


Feeling very bitter are we? LOLOLOLOL

On Apr 8, 8:35 pm, "Gini" wrote:
"elizabeth" wrote



On Apr 8, 7:37 pm, "Gini" wrote:
"elizabeth" wrote On Apr 8, 7:21 pm, "Gini" wrote:
"elizabeth" wrote
.................
Letting your child live in poverty means you are the sort of
heartless
asshole who should be castrated, because we don't need
more irresponsible assholes breeding children that the rest of
society
must support.

==
Indeed. Sterilize all welfare women of childbearing age.

As long as you sterilize all the men impregnating them, fine.

==
G So, how is it that a man would impregnate a sterilized woman?
==
.......................... no man has ever died from a
vasectomy.

==
And you know this how? Come to think of it, I don't know any women who
have
died from a tubal.
Heh, perhaps I'm running with a different crowd.

And more research . . ..
Intraoperative complications such as:

Unintended, unplanned major surgery or laparotomy due to a problem
during the tubal ligation procedure, This complication occurs at a
rate of approximately 0.9 per 100 tubal ligation procedures.

Blood transfusions

A life-threatening event

Death
snip
Death caused by a complication that occurs up to 42 days of your tubal
ligation surgery.

==
You weren't paying attention, hon. Complications (which are extremely
rare)

No, they aren't. I nearly died from getting a tubal.
For over two years I had intense pain in the abdominal region, with
complications from adhesions.

do not equal *death from a tubal.*

note the above negative sequalae from tubals . .. one of them is DEATH
and that's about as negative as a sequela can get, don't you think?

Or *don't* you?

Nice try, though. You are quite
entertaining
tonight. Now, about the man who impregnates a sterile woman....?-

Well, a sterile man never has to worry about impregnating anyone.

Vasectomies are still cheaper, safer, and more effective than tubals.
Also, if you had any knowlege on the topic, you'd know that a woman
won't know if her tubal failed UNLESS SHE GETS PREGNANT, and this is
often an ectopic pregnancy . .. and women do die from those too.

IOW, you know nothing of the medical nature of the topic, and are just
another woman hating failed abortion.

We can make up for your mother's mistake . ..post natal abortions can
be performed.

On Apr 8, 8:58 pm, "teachrmama" wrote:
"Gini" wrote in messagenews:qwiSh.933$Lm.323@trndny05...

"elizabeth" wrote
On Apr 8, 7:37 pm, "Gini" wrote:
"elizabeth" wrote On Apr 8, 7:21 pm, "Gini" wrote:
"elizabeth" wrote
.................
Letting your child live in poverty means you are the sort of
heartless
asshole who should be castrated, because we don't need
more irresponsible assholes breeding children that the rest of
society
must support.

==
Indeed. Sterilize all welfare women of childbearing age.

As long as you sterilize all the men impregnating them, fine.

==
G So, how is it that a man would impregnate a sterilized woman?
==
.......................... no man has ever died from a
vasectomy.

==
And you know this how? Come to think of it, I don't know any women who
have
died from a tubal.
Heh, perhaps I'm running with a different crowd.

And more research . . ..
Intraoperative complications such as:

Unintended, unplanned major surgery or laparotomy due to a problem
during the tubal ligation procedure, This complication occurs at a
rate of approximately 0.9 per 100 tubal ligation procedures.

Blood transfusions

A life-threatening event

Death

Postoperative complications include those that occur intraoperatively,
as well as:

Febrile morbidity

Rehospitalization

Death caused by a complication that occurs up to 42 days of your tubal
ligation surgery.
==
You weren't paying attention, hon. Complications (which are extremely
rare)
do not equal *death from a tubal.* Nice try, though. You are quite
entertaining
tonight. Now, about the man who impregnates a sterile woman....?

With all the complications that can happen to women who don't want children,
maybe they could just stop offering it to every man who asks. Surely
chastity is still a choice!- Hide quoted text -

Well, if men would stop choosing rape, and stop forcing women to trade
sex for support, you might have a point.

Just because you can't get laid doesn't mean that women have the
luxury of just saying no.

On Apr 8, 9:12 pm, "Gini" wrote:
==
What?? Expect women to accept responsibility for their own bodies? What's
come over you? All the women elizabeth knows are far too weak for this and
need the government to protect them. It really is sad.

Get gangraped and die from a ruptured anus.

You deserve it.

"teachrmama" wrote in

You got that right. If I have a child, I'll just walk out of the
hospital, leaving the child there. There is no way I'm going to take
care of an unwanted child.

If it is ok for you to walk away from an unwanted child, is it also ok for
men to walk away from unwanted children?


You're far too logical for this Femwit! LOL

On Apr 8, 10:37 pm, "teachrmama" wrote:
"Gini" wrote in message

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"teachrmama" wrote

"Gini" wrote
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==
You weren't paying attention, hon. Complications (which are extremely
rare)
do not equal *death from a tubal.* Nice try, though. You are quite
entertaining
tonight. Now, about the man who impregnates a sterile woman....?

With all the complications that can happen to women who don't want
children, maybe they could just stop offering it to every man who asks.
Surely chastity is still a choice!
==
What?? Expect women to accept responsibility for their own bodies? What's
come over you? All the women elizabeth knows are far too weak for this and
need the government to protect them. It really is sad.

Yes, it really is sad. Hmmmmm....I wonder how many men elizabeth has taking
care of her and her children.

You really are a stupid ****.

I had to fight to get sterilized, I never wanted any children.

Women who spew ****nuggets and expect the world to support them is the
main cause of virtually all our problems, because OVERPOPULATION is
the biggest problem we have.

The concept that women are enobled by breeding children, especially
those they can't support, is what gives pimps fresh meat.

On Apr 9, 12:17 am, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
elizabeth wrote:
"Gini" wrote:
"elizabeth" wrote
.................
Letting your child live in poverty means you are the sort of heartless asshole who should be castrated,
because we don't need
more irresponsible assholes breeding children that the rest of society
must support.

==
Indeed. Sterilize all welfare women of childbearing age.

As long as you sterilize all the men impregnating them, fine.
And since vasectomies are a couple of orders of magnitude CHEAPER than
tubals, and since vasectomies are at least an order of magnitude MORE
EFFECTIVE THAN TUBALS, it's far more cost effective to snip the men,
especially when you factor in the cost of medical complications of
tubals . . . tubals do kill women, but no man has ever died from a
vasectomy.

That's not true. Men have died from vasectomy, usually as a result of
an infection.


Can you find any case histories?

On Apr 9, 12:44 am, "teachrmama" wrote:
"Ray Fischer" wrote in message

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elizabeth wrote:
"Gini" wrote:
"elizabeth" wrote
.................
Letting your child live in poverty means you are the sort of heartless
asshole who should be castrated,
because we don't need
more irresponsible assholes breeding children that the rest of society
must support.

==
Indeed. Sterilize all welfare women of childbearing age.

As long as you sterilize all the men impregnating them, fine.
And since vasectomies are a couple of orders of magnitude CHEAPER than
tubals, and since vasectomies are at least an order of magnitude MORE
EFFECTIVE THAN TUBALS, it's far more cost effective to snip the men,
especially when you factor in the cost of medical complications of
tubals . . . tubals do kill women, but no man has ever died from a
vasectomy.

That's not true. Men have died from vasectomy, usually as a result of
an infection.

Now, now, Ray. elizabeth is painting the typical "Woman=Victim" picture.
You don't want to go and ruin her artwork, do you? She's been
fingerpainting all day!!- Hide quoted text -

Oh, shut up, you ****ing ****, and go **** one of your little boy
students.

Better yet, let's hope some of your kiddy porn is found by the school
administerators.