Refuse CPS Services?

Actually, moving to another state has worked well for some,
particularly if there is not a court case started yet.

Betty, Dragon's Girl who seems to warn you against
moving to another state even told a story buried
somewhere in this newsgroup about how she
moved to another state before a court case was started.

I know of a case where the family moved to another
county in the same state and the crooked court
in the first county actually tried to refuse to let the
case be transferred to the second county.

They were not successful in refusing to transfer the case.
The CPS agency in the second county was actually
not interested in maintaining the case, and moved to
end it quickly, send the kid home, where the first county
wanted to keep the case open forever.

On the other extreme, one of the most famous anti-CPS
advocates moved to another state and even though
no court case had been opened in the first state, several
caseworkers traveled into the 2nd state and tried
to INSTIGATE a case in the second state! She thrashed
the caseworkers and agencies yet again but it goes
to show you the crazy sort of stuff these nutty CPS
caseworkers will resort to.

One of the biggest problems is that even if you were to
become an expert on the laws, how the process
is supposed to work, rights you are supposed to have,
often the caseworkers, courts and contractors commonly
violate their OWN RULES!

And if you speak up to insist on some right you
are supposed to be guaranteed by the Bill Of Rights
in the US Constitution the local Judge will tell you
something like "That's not for this court!".

Judges will sign a search warrant titled Order for Home
Inspection while knowingly refusing the specifics that
are required for a search warrant to be legal.
Transcripts will be altered, or refused.
My favorite is the Judge who RECUSED herself from a case
for bias and then 6 months later thought she could
UNRECUSE herself to sit on the case!
It's like unbreaking an egg once it's broken.

If there is no court order on you yet in Texas and
you move to another state before they do,
you are within the law. The signed service agreement
cannot prevent you from moving your family.
Expect the caseworkers in TX to contact
Child Protection in whatever state you move
to and try to instigate a case.

Don't be too amazed if they LIE to pull it off.

Ironically if you are a Meth Head or if you
actually did some real abuse to the child,
where the caseworkers OWN you, things
might actually go easier. If they cop a
bad attitude without anything concrete
they might run the most severe nit-picking
witch hunt to justify their meddling.

On Jun 10, 5:33 am, Greegor wrote:
Actually, moving to another state has worked well for some,
particularly if there is not a court case started yet.

Got proof?

Specifics?

"For some?"

Please explain who that refers to.

Betty, Dragon's Girl who seems to warn you against
moving to another state even told a story buried
somewhere in this newsgroup about how she
moved to another state before a court case was started.

I know of a case where the family moved to another
county in the same state and the crooked court
in the first county actually tried to refuse to let the
case be transferred to the second county.

Could you be MORE vague?

FYI Greg is the (former) boyfriend of the mother of a little girl who
was removed by the authorities when she was seven years old because of
Greg's inappropriate behavior.

Greg claimed it was because the girl's home was too cluttered with all
his stuff.

But he eventually admitted going into the bathroom whenever the girl
showered.

Punishing the girl by forcing her to take cold showers... and
physically manhandling the girl while she was naked.

The mother hasn't had custody since February 2001.

Greg is NOT the one to take advice from.

Best, Dan

On Jun 10, 4:33 am, Greegor wrote:
Actually, moving to another state has worked well for some,
particularly if there is not a court case started yet.

Betty, Dragon's Girl who seems to warn you against
moving to another state even told a story buried
somewhere in this newsgroup about how she
moved to another state before a court case was started.

I don't 'seem' to warn against moving to another state, I would
outright say 'don't move to another state'.

I did do it myself. Fifteen years ago. But the difference between me
and this guy is that a) I did not have a prior TPR (and I'm still
guessing that his was a forced TPR that would make flight even more
useless), and b) my case had already been unsubstantiated.

It sounds as if this guy signed a service agreement for just long
enough to do a 30 day investigation, which means there probably hasn't
been an official determination in his case yet. Flight during
investigation can be a bad bad thing.

And more than warning against leaving state, I STRONGLY would like to
caution this guy not to move the CHILD ONLY from the state because
that is seen in a most unfavorable way.

Moving out of the state didn't make any difference, they just sent
workers to where I moved to anyway...so it's pretty useless in any
event.



I know of a case where the family moved to another
county in the same state and the crooked court
in the first county actually tried to refuse to let the
case be transferred to the second county.

They were not successful in refusing to transfer the case.
The CPS agency in the second county was actually
not interested in maintaining the case, and moved to
end it quickly, send the kid home, where the first county
wanted to keep the case open forever.

On the other extreme, one of the most famous anti-CPS
advocates moved to another state and even though
no court case had been opened in the first state, several
caseworkers traveled into the 2nd state and tried
to INSTIGATE a case in the second state! She thrashed
the caseworkers and agencies yet again but it goes
to show you the crazy sort of stuff these nutty CPS
caseworkers will resort to.

One of the biggest problems is that even if you were to
become an expert on the laws, how the process
is supposed to work, rights you are supposed to have,
often the caseworkers, courts and contractors commonly
violate their OWN RULES!

And if you speak up to insist on some right you
are supposed to be guaranteed by the Bill Of Rights
in the US Constitution the local Judge will tell you
something like "That's not for this court!".

Please provide us with a link to the judge you quote.
I have never heard a family court judge speak to someone in that
manner.


Judges will sign a search warrant titled Order for Home
Inspection while knowingly refusing the specifics that
are required for a search warrant to be legal.
Transcripts will be altered, or refused.
My favorite is the Judge who RECUSED herself from a case
for bias and then 6 months later thought she could
UNRECUSE herself to sit on the case!
It's like unbreaking an egg once it's broken.

Could you point me to more information on these Orders For Home
Inspection?
I have never heard of, or seen one.


If there is no court order on you yet in Texas and
you move to another state before they do,
you are within the law. The signed service agreement
cannot prevent you from moving your family.
Expect the caseworkers in TX to contact
Child Protection in whatever state you move
to and try to instigate a case.

You may be incorrect on being within his rights to move to another
state.
If his investigation is ongoing, and he leaves state, that is probably
illegal in at least some, if not all states.
And you forget, he's got that TPR hanging over his head. That leaves
him walking an even tighter rope than most.


Don't be too amazed if they LIE to pull it off.

Ironically if you are a Meth Head or if you
actually did some real abuse to the child,
where the caseworkers OWN you, things
might actually go easier. If they cop a
bad attitude without anything concrete
they might run the most severe nit-picking
witch hunt to justify their meddling.

Why didn't you and Lisa move out of the state?