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The Embry Study: What it actually said.
The Lie: "Pretty remarkable when one considers that parents who spanked before had children that attemped entries at the highest rate of all per hour." And now more LIES! Oh what a tangled web we weaved... ;-) Doan On 15 Feb 2006, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, 0:- wrote: ................. The PROVEN LIAR can't handle the TRUTH. How sad! Anybody got the Embry study? ;-) Doan How many years now .... ... of posting that he wants "parents to make up their own mind?" How many years of attacking any information, opinion, or personal story in support of non-spanking? How many years of defending everything from the pro spanking side? How many years of letting slide posters like Fern that supported parents beating their children bloody publically? How many years of siding with people that, like Fern, advocated for parents to have the last word on whether or not to beat children until they bleed? How many years of riding every bogus hobby horse of the pro spanking noodniks like Lazerlere, and Dobson...the dog "trainer?" The one that thinks raising children is a matter of going to war with them? Doan, the first day I viewed this ng I spotted you for a phony. A quick google search on your posting confirmed it. And nothing I've seen since changes that. You have not intention of allowing parents to make up their own mind, or you would, like any truly objective fence sitter, treat each side of the question equally or you'd hold your views. You are a little child, stuck back where you were first betrayed by your parents with those blows to your body and your mind. It's apparently made you even lie to yourself, if you believe this **** you've posted all these years about your neutrality on this subject. A phony. How very childishly sad you appear. |
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The Embry Study: What it actually said.
Doan wrote:
The Lie: "Pretty remarkable when one considers that parents who spanked before had children that attemped entries at the highest rate of all per hour." Still don't know where I got that, eh? R R R R RR Wanna make a really really wild guess? The more insane it would seem, the more likely you'd be right. 0:- What a stupid little man you are not have figured it out by now. How many years now .... ... of posting that he wants "parents to make up their own mind?" How many years of attacking any information, opinion, or personal story in support of non-spanking? How many years of defending everything from the pro spanking side? How many years of letting slide posters like Fern that supported parents beating their children bloody publicly? How many years of siding with people that, like Fern, advocated for parents to have the last word on whether or not to beat children until they bleed? How many years of riding every bogus hobby horse of the pro spanking noodniks like Lazerlere, and Dobson...the dog "trainer?" The one that thinks raising children is a matter of going to war with them? Doan, the first day I viewed this ng I spotted you for a phony. A quick google search on your posting confirmed it. And nothing I've seen since changes that. You have not intention of allowing parents to make up their own mind, or you would, like any truly objective fence sitter, treat each side of the question equally or you'd hold your views. You are a little child, stuck back where you were first betrayed by your parents with those blows to your body and your mind. It's apparently made you even lie to yourself, if you believe this **** you've posted all these years about your neutrality on this subject. A phony. How very childishly sad you appear. And now more LIES! Oh what a tangled web we weaved... ;-) What you mean is you cannot respond to the above list of your lying posturing bull**** for all these years with any real defense. Which of them are lies? Care to follow up a few? Post, for instance, any posts by you disagreeing with Fern, directly, when she posted her various defenses of abusive parents...go ahead. We'll wait right here. Post, for instance, any disagreement with Neal Feldman on his proud boast that he deserved to be flogged to the point of bleeding. Show us where you defended ANY data that showed that spanking had adverse correlations. Show us where you attacked ANY of the pro-spanking claims of "experts." Try to hide the post where you put Dobson up as being smarter than Straus because Dobson had a child develment PhD, and Straus "only" a doctorate in Social Science. Come on, hot shot. Show us where I'm lying. Yer full of **** to yer little eyeballs, dummy. And part of the reason even the spanking proponents won't post here anymore. Association with YOU, the biggest liar to every hit this ng, along with our Texas bull****ter and a few others, drives them away. Yer scum, child. Plain old ordinary scum. 0:- Doan Come on now. Prove me wrong. Show us where you are truly neutral on the subject of spanking and really want parents to make up their own mind. Tell us you don't want to influence them toward spanking and away from non-spanking. I'd love to see you defend that. Kane -- Isn't it interesting that the more honest an author appears to be, the more like ourselves we think him. And the less so, how very alien he doth appear? Kane 2006 |
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The Embry Study: What it actually said.
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, toto wrote:
On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:39:22 -0800, Doan wrote: "While some may find it strange that reprimands might increase the chances of a child going into the street, the literature on the experimental analysis of behavior is replete with examples of how "attention to inappropriate behavior" increases the chances of more inappropriate behavior. Thus, suggestions to parents that they talk to or reason with their children about dashing into the street will likely to have the opposite impact. Reprimands do not punish unsafe behavior; they reward it." Of course that is true. However, you fail to note that spanking also increases the rate of children going into the street according to Embry. A little honesty would be nice Doan. Note that most of those who advocate for non-spanking do not advocate scolding, reprimanding, or nagging either. I would say that there are much better ways of keeping children from going into the street (depending on the age of the child involved, different methods will be used). The most important part of parenting is catching them being good and giving them attention when their behavior is appropriate. Stating your rules in positive terms is also good. "Hold hands near the street:" "Walk on the sidewalk." "Cross streets at the corner after looking both ways." All of these are reasonable ways of defining the rules for children. Then praise them when they do the right thing. It works much better than punishment *after* the fact anyway. Prevention is much better than punishment of any kind. Do you know that the Embry study found no correlation between safe play concepts and actual safe play for children at this age? So telling them to "hold hands near the street", "walk on the sidewalk"...etc is USELESS! So the safest way is to always superive your kids or keep them the backyard if possible. But again, this study has nothing to do with spanking/no-spanking! Doan |
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The Embry Study: What it actually said.
Doan wrote:
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, toto wrote: On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:39:22 -0800, Doan wrote: "While some may find it strange that reprimands might increase the chances of a child going into the street, the literature on the experimental analysis of behavior is replete with examples of how "attention to inappropriate behavior" increases the chances of more inappropriate behavior. Thus, suggestions to parents that they talk to or reason with their children about dashing into the street will likely to have the opposite impact. Reprimands do not punish unsafe behavior; they reward it." Of course that is true. However, you fail to note that spanking also increases the rate of children going into the street according to Embry. A little honesty would be nice Doan. Note that most of those who advocate for non-spanking do not advocate scolding, reprimanding, or nagging either. I would say that there are much better ways of keeping children from going into the street (depending on the age of the child involved, different methods will be used). The most important part of parenting is catching them being good and giving them attention when their behavior is appropriate. Stating your rules in positive terms is also good. "Hold hands near the street:" "Walk on the sidewalk." "Cross streets at the corner after looking both ways." All of these are reasonable ways of defining the rules for children. Then praise them when they do the right thing. It works much better than punishment *after* the fact anyway. Prevention is much better than punishment of any kind. Do you know that the Embry study found no correlation between safe play concepts and actual safe play for children at this age? So telling them to "hold hands near the street", "walk on the sidewalk"...etc is USELESS! So the safest way is to always superive your kids or keep them the backyard if possible. But again, this study has nothing to do with spanking/no-spanking! You going to debate someone that does not have the study to refer to? Didn't you claim I was trying to do that? Didn't you try that very same thing with me once, thinking I didn't have the study? And didn't you get yourself into considerable trouble with that assumption? Trying for another round? I don't think Toto will play. We'll see. Give her the study, or link her up to that online electronic copy offered by the source you alluded to (copied and pasted in a quote by the source) or stop trying to abuse Toto and harass her, as it is so obviously all you ever have brought to this ng. The setup, the harassment, the gloating shouts of "I DARE YOU I DOUBLE DARE YOU" like the poor sad child you really are. You are nothing but a common bully. 0:- But we loves yah anyway. Doan -- Isn't it interesting that the more honest an author appears to be, the more like ourselves we think him. And the less so, how very alien he doth appear? Kane 2006 |
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The Embry Study: What it actually said.
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, 0:- wrote:
Doan wrote: On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, toto wrote: On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:39:22 -0800, Doan wrote: "While some may find it strange that reprimands might increase the chances of a child going into the street, the literature on the experimental analysis of behavior is replete with examples of how "attention to inappropriate behavior" increases the chances of more inappropriate behavior. Thus, suggestions to parents that they talk to or reason with their children about dashing into the street will likely to have the opposite impact. Reprimands do not punish unsafe behavior; they reward it." Of course that is true. However, you fail to note that spanking also increases the rate of children going into the street according to Embry. A little honesty would be nice Doan. Note that most of those who advocate for non-spanking do not advocate scolding, reprimanding, or nagging either. I would say that there are much better ways of keeping children from going into the street (depending on the age of the child involved, different methods will be used). The most important part of parenting is catching them being good and giving them attention when their behavior is appropriate. Stating your rules in positive terms is also good. "Hold hands near the street:" "Walk on the sidewalk." "Cross streets at the corner after looking both ways." All of these are reasonable ways of defining the rules for children. Then praise them when they do the right thing. It works much better than punishment *after* the fact anyway. Prevention is much better than punishment of any kind. Do you know that the Embry study found no correlation between safe play concepts and actual safe play for children at this age? So telling them to "hold hands near the street", "walk on the sidewalk"...etc is USELESS! So the safest way is to always superive your kids or keep them the backyard if possible. But again, this study has nothing to do with spanking/no-spanking! You going to debate someone that does not have the study to refer to? Didn't you claim I was trying to do that? I, on the other hand, OFFERED to provide this study to anyone that asked. My offer still stand, anyone want a copy of this study, just email me. Doan |
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The Embry Study: What it actually said.
Doan wrote:
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, toto wrote: On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:39:22 -0800, Doan wrote: "While some may find it strange that reprimands might increase the chances of a child going into the street, the literature on the experimental analysis of behavior is replete with examples of how "attention to inappropriate behavior" increases the chances of more inappropriate behavior. Thus, suggestions to parents that they talk to or reason with their children about dashing into the street will likely to have the opposite impact. Reprimands do not punish unsafe behavior; they reward it." Of course that is true. However, you fail to note that spanking also increases the rate of children going into the street according to Embry. A little honesty would be nice Doan. Note that most of those who advocate for non-spanking do not advocate scolding, reprimanding, or nagging either. I would say that there are much better ways of keeping children from going into the street (depending on the age of the child involved, different methods will be used). The most important part of parenting is catching them being good and giving them attention when their behavior is appropriate. Stating your rules in positive terms is also good. "Hold hands near the street:" "Walk on the sidewalk." "Cross streets at the corner after looking both ways." All of these are reasonable ways of defining the rules for children. Then praise them when they do the right thing. It works much better than punishment *after* the fact anyway. Prevention is much better than punishment of any kind. Do you know that the Embry study found no correlation between safe play concepts and actual safe play for children at this age? So telling them to "hold hands near the street", "walk on the sidewalk"...etc is USELESS! So the safest way is to always superive your kids or keep them the backyard if possible. But again, this study has nothing to do with spanking/no-spanking! You going to debate someone that does not have the study to refer to? Didn't you claim I was trying to do that? I, on the other hand, OFFERED to provide this study to anyone that asked. My offer still stand, anyone want a copy of this study, just email me. R R R ... you going to demand a stamped addressed envelope again, when it's available electronically....or was that a lie of yours? Or were you mistaken about the electronic availability you copied and pasted? Why didn't you offer Aline/Alina the abstract then, Doan? Why didn't you offer her the access to the library, Doan? If YOU had a copy then you surely knew how to GET THE COPY, did you not? Yet, here you are, pointing the way to "becca," but demanding an envelope from Alina/Aline. Could it be YOU were her and wrote that phony bull**** to me in an attempt to get a copy from me? Before you had to admit you didn't have it yourself? Nothing, Doan the liar? Just your usual bull****? You be such a funny little boy. If you weren't so pitiful. Doan lyin' then, lyin' now, and you'll keep on lyin. R R R R R -- Isn't it interesting that the more honest an author appears to be, the more like ourselves we think him. And the less so, how very alien he doth appear? Kane 2006 |
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The Embry Study: What it actually said.
Doan, why don't you have Aline/Alina write me back. I keep sending
messages and no response. Weird, eh? You must have known her better than I. Please intercede for me. I want to find out from her what she thought of the study after I mailed the report to her. She just won't answer back. Heck, I'd even discuss it with her if she'd just post back her, or personally. Sure funny, isn't it? No answer, I mean. 0:- -- Isn't it interesting that the more honest an author appears to be, the more like ourselves we think him. And the less so, how very alien he doth appear? Kane 2006 |
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The Embry Study: What it actually said.
Try calling her a "smelly-****"! Maybe she will answer. ;-) Then you can tell her how proud that makes your mom! Doan On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, 0:- wrote: Doan, why don't you have Aline/Alina write me back. I keep sending messages and no response. Weird, eh? You must have known her better than I. Please intercede for me. I want to find out from her what she thought of the study after I mailed the report to her. She just won't answer back. Heck, I'd even discuss it with her if she'd just post back her, or personally. Sure funny, isn't it? No answer, I mean. 0:- -- Isn't it interesting that the more honest an author appears to be, the more like ourselves we think him. And the less so, how very alien he doth appear? Kane 2006 |
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The Embry Study: What it actually said.
Doan wrote:
Sure would like to get in touch with Alina, Doan. She just isn't answering my posts. I hope she's not having trouble with her proxies. They seem to just float about and switch here and there. And she's such a busy mother that all her posts outside this newsgroup have consisted of one liners, or short paragraphs that pop into a thread, then she ceases to participate. Poor thing. Funnier still is that the IP is always the same company, but the IP address is always different....at the front end. Most peculiar unless it's just anonymous proxies that Alina, for some strange reason, is picking up and using. Gosh I hope she isn't being stalked or anything. I'm going to try writing her again and see what happens. I'm worried. Could you write her too? When posters go so very very long, as she did, and then drops in one quick message, then disappears again, it could be most anything. Domestic problems. Money problems. Health. Sick baby. Anything. Please help, Doan. I must have scared her off ... somehow. Surely she would trust you. In fact, I'm going to blind copy this post to her addy and see if I can get an answer. Wish me luck. 0:- -- Isn't it interesting that the more honest an author appears to be, the more like ourselves we think him. And the less so, how very alien he doth appear? Kane 2006 |
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The Embry Study: What it actually said.
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, 0:- wrote:
Doan wrote: On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, toto wrote: On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:39:22 -0800, Doan wrote: "While some may find it strange that reprimands might increase the chances of a child going into the street, the literature on the experimental analysis of behavior is replete with examples of how "attention to inappropriate behavior" increases the chances of more inappropriate behavior. Thus, suggestions to parents that they talk to or reason with their children about dashing into the street will likely to have the opposite impact. Reprimands do not punish unsafe behavior; they reward it." Of course that is true. However, you fail to note that spanking also increases the rate of children going into the street according to Embry. A little honesty would be nice Doan. Note that most of those who advocate for non-spanking do not advocate scolding, reprimanding, or nagging either. I would say that there are much better ways of keeping children from going into the street (depending on the age of the child involved, different methods will be used). The most important part of parenting is catching them being good and giving them attention when their behavior is appropriate. Stating your rules in positive terms is also good. "Hold hands near the street:" "Walk on the sidewalk." "Cross streets at the corner after looking both ways." All of these are reasonable ways of defining the rules for children. Then praise them when they do the right thing. It works much better than punishment *after* the fact anyway. Prevention is much better than punishment of any kind. Do you know that the Embry study found no correlation between safe play concepts and actual safe play for children at this age? So telling them to "hold hands near the street", "walk on the sidewalk"...etc is USELESS! So the safest way is to always superive your kids or keep them the backyard if possible. But again, this study has nothing to do with spanking/no-spanking! You going to debate someone that does not have the study to refer to? Didn't you claim I was trying to do that? I, on the other hand, OFFERED to provide this study to anyone that asked. My offer still stand, anyone want a copy of this study, just email me. R R R ... you going to demand a stamped addressed envelope again, when it's available electronically....or was that a lie of yours? It's my choice, right? ;-) Or were you mistaken about the electronic availability you copied and pasted? LOL! Why don't you try to get an electronic copy for everyone? Try it! Why didn't you offer Aline/Alina the abstract then, Doan? Why didn't you offer her the access to the library, Doan? I don't own the library, STUPID! Doan If YOU had a copy then you surely knew how to GET THE COPY, did you not? Yet, here you are, pointing the way to "becca," but demanding an envelope from Alina/Aline. Could it be YOU were her and wrote that phony bull**** to me in an attempt to get a copy from me? Before you had to admit you didn't have it yourself? Nothing, Doan the liar? Just your usual bull****? You be such a funny little boy. If you weren't so pitiful. Doan lyin' then, lyin' now, and you'll keep on lyin. R R R R R -- Isn't it interesting that the more honest an author appears to be, the more like ourselves we think him. And the less so, how very alien he doth appear? Kane 2006 |
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