Child Support, Separation and Welfare

Indyguy1 wrote:
Chris wrote:


"Indyguy1" wrote in message
...

emankato wrote:


I have been separated from my wife for 6 months and we have a 2 years
old child. During the 6 months she never worked

Was she working when you left her?

and she applied for

Welfare (Medical assistance, Food Stamps.. ) for my daughter and
herself without my permission,

She doesn't need your permission to apply for welfare or for anything else

for

that matter.

She told them that I left and I don't

support my child.

Well, were you supporting your child?

But I always asked her if I can take my daughter to

live with me but she refused, I can't force her to.

You could have taken her at any point, providing there was no custody

order in

place.

And the mother would have promptly had the police at his door recovering her
child!


Nope. She could have called the police but without a court order giving the
father specific times to be with the child he was not doing anything against
the law and the the police could NOT take the child from him.


Still living on Uranus?

Bob


--

When did we divide into sides?

"As president, I will put American government and our legal system back
on the side of women." John Kerry, misandrist Democratic candidate for
President. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/women/

Indyguy1 wrote:
Chris wrote:


"Indyguy1" wrote in message
...

emankato wrote:


I have been separated from my wife for 6 months and we have a 2 years
old child. During the 6 months she never worked

Was she working when you left her?

and she applied for

Welfare (Medical assistance, Food Stamps.. ) for my daughter and
herself without my permission,

She doesn't need your permission to apply for welfare or for anything else

for

that matter.

She told them that I left and I don't

support my child.

Well, were you supporting your child?

But I always asked her if I can take my daughter to

live with me but she refused, I can't force her to.

You could have taken her at any point, providing there was no custody

order in

place.

And the mother would have promptly had the police at his door recovering her
child!


Nope. She could have called the police but without a court order giving the
father specific times to be with the child he was not doing anything against
the law and the the police could NOT take the child from him.


Still living on Uranus?

Bob


--

When did we divide into sides?

"As president, I will put American government and our legal system back
on the side of women." John Kerry, misandrist Democratic candidate for
President. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/women/

The Dave wrote:

Indyguy1 wrote:
emankato wrote:

I have been separated from my wife for 6 months and we have a 2
years old child. During the 6 months she never worked

Was she working when you left her?

and she applied for
Welfare (Medical assistance, Food Stamps.. ) for my daughter and
herself without my permission,

She doesn't need your permission to apply for welfare or for anything
else for that matter.

She told them that I left and I don't
support my child.

Well, were you supporting your child?

The impression is given that she took welfare on false pretenses,
though he never actually says that.

I didn't get that as the perception at all. What I felt was he is ticked that
welfare could give his wife support without out his approval. What gave you the
impression he suspected his wife of welfare fraud?


Does she need to be legally
separated or divorced to collect welfare, or does he just need to be
gone? I don't know the technicality on that one, but that's why I made
the assumption that she was taking the government money illegally.

You know I'm not 100% sure how welfare looks at a situation like this guys. BUT
if a mother and child are left in the lurch they will come to her aid. Now I'm
just assuming here, but I'd think if that said mother's estranged husband has
the ability to support the child they can certainly ask him to pay the system
back.

But I always asked her if I can take my daughter to
live with me but she refused, I can't force her to.

You could have taken her at any point, providing there was no custody
order in place.

Now we are back
together

Why did you leave?

Where did he say that he left her? She told them he left, he didn't
say that or verify that.

You are 100% correct. Two reasons for my saying that. 1) To try and get the
original poster to come back and deny it if it isn't true. 2) He didn't state
that she left with the child. He stated that he asked for the child to be
brought to him, so I was suspicious.

but the Government sent me a Letter telling me that I have to
pay my wife $1,000 and I have to pay the Governement $600 for both
the assistant my wife and my daughter got. They sent me some
paperwork stating that I have to pay those amounts otherwise I have
the right to a hearing. My wife and I were NOT legaly separated and
I don't understand why they just assumed that my daughter was
living with my wife and not with me and that I didn't provide for
her. Maybe just because I'm a MAN?

LOL, yeah that's it. insert eye roll

Really if she applied for welfare and got it and the child was living
with her and you weren't supporting your child then she did nothing
wrong and you should probably pay the money back. I'd assume you have
a nice sum of $$$ saved up since you didn't support your family for 6
months, right?

Why the mother AND the government? Especially if they were still
married.

I didn't mention paying the mother $1000 because quite frankly I didn't
understand that either. That is the thing that made me think, possibel troll.


I called and told them that I have never given them the Permission
to support my Daughter, they said I didn't have to.
Does this sound Fair?

Fair? What wasn't fair is that you left your wife and child and
didn't do jack to contribute to your child's support.

Me man... I control female.

Where did it say that he left her, or that he didn't contribute, btw?

He said she asked him for money and he said bring the child to me. No where did
he say he helped support the child.


You ask the questions earlier, which are fair questions, but then start
treating the expected answers as fact when they have not yet been
established as such.

Honestly I was hoping he'd come back and defend himself so we'd all get the
information we need to give reasonable advice. He didn't come back, yet. Either
he read what I wrote and just figured he had no defense, he hasn't been back to
check replies, or he was a troll.


Should I pay them or go through the Hearing
process?

Pay and save yourself a lot of time. They will get the money from you
even if you go to the hearing.

Unfortunate, but probably the sad truth, even if they are wrong.

Based on what I have read about welfare I figured it was pretty close to what
will end up happening.

Mrs Indyguy

--
How come nobody uses words like "nifty", "spiffy", and "keen" anymore?

The Dave wrote:

Indyguy1 wrote:
emankato wrote:

I have been separated from my wife for 6 months and we have a 2
years old child. During the 6 months she never worked

Was she working when you left her?

and she applied for
Welfare (Medical assistance, Food Stamps.. ) for my daughter and
herself without my permission,

She doesn't need your permission to apply for welfare or for anything
else for that matter.

She told them that I left and I don't
support my child.

Well, were you supporting your child?

The impression is given that she took welfare on false pretenses,
though he never actually says that.

I didn't get that as the perception at all. What I felt was he is ticked that
welfare could give his wife support without out his approval. What gave you the
impression he suspected his wife of welfare fraud?


Does she need to be legally
separated or divorced to collect welfare, or does he just need to be
gone? I don't know the technicality on that one, but that's why I made
the assumption that she was taking the government money illegally.

You know I'm not 100% sure how welfare looks at a situation like this guys. BUT
if a mother and child are left in the lurch they will come to her aid. Now I'm
just assuming here, but I'd think if that said mother's estranged husband has
the ability to support the child they can certainly ask him to pay the system
back.

But I always asked her if I can take my daughter to
live with me but she refused, I can't force her to.

You could have taken her at any point, providing there was no custody
order in place.

Now we are back
together

Why did you leave?

Where did he say that he left her? She told them he left, he didn't
say that or verify that.

You are 100% correct. Two reasons for my saying that. 1) To try and get the
original poster to come back and deny it if it isn't true. 2) He didn't state
that she left with the child. He stated that he asked for the child to be
brought to him, so I was suspicious.

but the Government sent me a Letter telling me that I have to
pay my wife $1,000 and I have to pay the Governement $600 for both
the assistant my wife and my daughter got. They sent me some
paperwork stating that I have to pay those amounts otherwise I have
the right to a hearing. My wife and I were NOT legaly separated and
I don't understand why they just assumed that my daughter was
living with my wife and not with me and that I didn't provide for
her. Maybe just because I'm a MAN?

LOL, yeah that's it. insert eye roll

Really if she applied for welfare and got it and the child was living
with her and you weren't supporting your child then she did nothing
wrong and you should probably pay the money back. I'd assume you have
a nice sum of $$$ saved up since you didn't support your family for 6
months, right?

Why the mother AND the government? Especially if they were still
married.

I didn't mention paying the mother $1000 because quite frankly I didn't
understand that either. That is the thing that made me think, possibel troll.


I called and told them that I have never given them the Permission
to support my Daughter, they said I didn't have to.
Does this sound Fair?

Fair? What wasn't fair is that you left your wife and child and
didn't do jack to contribute to your child's support.

Me man... I control female.

Where did it say that he left her, or that he didn't contribute, btw?

He said she asked him for money and he said bring the child to me. No where did
he say he helped support the child.


You ask the questions earlier, which are fair questions, but then start
treating the expected answers as fact when they have not yet been
established as such.

Honestly I was hoping he'd come back and defend himself so we'd all get the
information we need to give reasonable advice. He didn't come back, yet. Either
he read what I wrote and just figured he had no defense, he hasn't been back to
check replies, or he was a troll.


Should I pay them or go through the Hearing
process?

Pay and save yourself a lot of time. They will get the money from you
even if you go to the hearing.

Unfortunate, but probably the sad truth, even if they are wrong.

Based on what I have read about welfare I figured it was pretty close to what
will end up happening.

Mrs Indyguy

--
How come nobody uses words like "nifty", "spiffy", and "keen" anymore?

The Dave wrote:

Indyguy1 wrote:
emankato wrote:

I have been separated from my wife for 6 months and we have a 2
years old child. During the 6 months she never worked

Was she working when you left her?

and she applied for
Welfare (Medical assistance, Food Stamps.. ) for my daughter and
herself without my permission,

She doesn't need your permission to apply for welfare or for anything
else for that matter.

She told them that I left and I don't
support my child.

Well, were you supporting your child?

The impression is given that she took welfare on false pretenses,
though he never actually says that.

I didn't get that as the perception at all. What I felt was he is ticked that
welfare could give his wife support without out his approval. What gave you the
impression he suspected his wife of welfare fraud?


Does she need to be legally
separated or divorced to collect welfare, or does he just need to be
gone? I don't know the technicality on that one, but that's why I made
the assumption that she was taking the government money illegally.

You know I'm not 100% sure how welfare looks at a situation like this guys. BUT
if a mother and child are left in the lurch they will come to her aid. Now I'm
just assuming here, but I'd think if that said mother's estranged husband has
the ability to support the child they can certainly ask him to pay the system
back.

But I always asked her if I can take my daughter to
live with me but she refused, I can't force her to.

You could have taken her at any point, providing there was no custody
order in place.

Now we are back
together

Why did you leave?

Where did he say that he left her? She told them he left, he didn't
say that or verify that.

You are 100% correct. Two reasons for my saying that. 1) To try and get the
original poster to come back and deny it if it isn't true. 2) He didn't state
that she left with the child. He stated that he asked for the child to be
brought to him, so I was suspicious.

but the Government sent me a Letter telling me that I have to
pay my wife $1,000 and I have to pay the Governement $600 for both
the assistant my wife and my daughter got. They sent me some
paperwork stating that I have to pay those amounts otherwise I have
the right to a hearing. My wife and I were NOT legaly separated and
I don't understand why they just assumed that my daughter was
living with my wife and not with me and that I didn't provide for
her. Maybe just because I'm a MAN?

LOL, yeah that's it. insert eye roll

Really if she applied for welfare and got it and the child was living
with her and you weren't supporting your child then she did nothing
wrong and you should probably pay the money back. I'd assume you have
a nice sum of $$$ saved up since you didn't support your family for 6
months, right?

Why the mother AND the government? Especially if they were still
married.

I didn't mention paying the mother $1000 because quite frankly I didn't
understand that either. That is the thing that made me think, possibel troll.


I called and told them that I have never given them the Permission
to support my Daughter, they said I didn't have to.
Does this sound Fair?

Fair? What wasn't fair is that you left your wife and child and
didn't do jack to contribute to your child's support.

Me man... I control female.

Where did it say that he left her, or that he didn't contribute, btw?

He said she asked him for money and he said bring the child to me. No where did
he say he helped support the child.


You ask the questions earlier, which are fair questions, but then start
treating the expected answers as fact when they have not yet been
established as such.

Honestly I was hoping he'd come back and defend himself so we'd all get the
information we need to give reasonable advice. He didn't come back, yet. Either
he read what I wrote and just figured he had no defense, he hasn't been back to
check replies, or he was a troll.


Should I pay them or go through the Hearing
process?

Pay and save yourself a lot of time. They will get the money from you
even if you go to the hearing.

Unfortunate, but probably the sad truth, even if they are wrong.

Based on what I have read about welfare I figured it was pretty close to what
will end up happening.

Mrs Indyguy

--
How come nobody uses words like "nifty", "spiffy", and "keen" anymore?

"Indyguy1" wrote in message
...
Chris wrote:

"Indyguy1" wrote in message
...
emankato wrote:

I have been separated from my wife for 6 months and we have a 2 years
old child. During the 6 months she never worked

Was she working when you left her?

and she applied for
Welfare (Medical assistance, Food Stamps.. ) for my daughter and
herself without my permission,

She doesn't need your permission to apply for welfare or for anything
else
for
that matter.

She told them that I left and I don't
support my child.

Well, were you supporting your child?

But I always asked her if I can take my daughter to
live with me but she refused, I can't force her to.

You could have taken her at any point, providing there was no custody
order in
place.

And the mother would have promptly had the police at his door recovering
her
child!

Nope. She could have called the police but without a court order giving
the
father specific times to be with the child he was not doing anything
against
the law and the the police could NOT take the child from him.

Guess again. All she need do is to tell the police that her child is in
danger (by being with the father), and they will QUICKLY snatch the child
from him!


Mrs Indyguy


Now we are back
together

Why did you leave?

but the Government sent me a Letter telling me that I have to
pay my wife $1,000 and I have to pay the Governement $600 for both the
assistant my wife and my daughter got. They sent me some paperwork
stating that I have to pay those amounts otherwise I have the right to
a hearing. My wife and I were NOT legaly separated and I don't
understand why they just assumed that my daughter was living with my
wife and not with me and that I didn't provide for her. Maybe just
because I'm a MAN?

LOL, yeah that's it. insert eye roll

Really if she applied for welfare and got it and the child was living
with
her
and you weren't supporting your child then she did nothing wrong and
you
should
probably pay the money back. I'd assume you have a nice sum of $$$
saved
up
since you didn't support your family for 6 months, right?


I called and told them that I have never given them the Permission to
support my Daughter, they said I didn't have to.
Does this sound Fair?

Fair? What wasn't fair is that you left your wife and child and didn't
do
jack
to contribute to your child's support.

Should I pay them or go through the Hearing
process?

Pay and save yourself a lot of time. They will get the money from you
even
if
you go to the hearing.

Mrs Indyguy
Thank you for your advice

"Indyguy1" wrote in message
...
Chris wrote:

"Indyguy1" wrote in message
...
emankato wrote:

I have been separated from my wife for 6 months and we have a 2 years
old child. During the 6 months she never worked

Was she working when you left her?

and she applied for
Welfare (Medical assistance, Food Stamps.. ) for my daughter and
herself without my permission,

She doesn't need your permission to apply for welfare or for anything
else
for
that matter.

She told them that I left and I don't
support my child.

Well, were you supporting your child?

But I always asked her if I can take my daughter to
live with me but she refused, I can't force her to.

You could have taken her at any point, providing there was no custody
order in
place.

And the mother would have promptly had the police at his door recovering
her
child!

Nope. She could have called the police but without a court order giving
the
father specific times to be with the child he was not doing anything
against
the law and the the police could NOT take the child from him.

Guess again. All she need do is to tell the police that her child is in
danger (by being with the father), and they will QUICKLY snatch the child
from him!


Mrs Indyguy


Now we are back
together

Why did you leave?

but the Government sent me a Letter telling me that I have to
pay my wife $1,000 and I have to pay the Governement $600 for both the
assistant my wife and my daughter got. They sent me some paperwork
stating that I have to pay those amounts otherwise I have the right to
a hearing. My wife and I were NOT legaly separated and I don't
understand why they just assumed that my daughter was living with my
wife and not with me and that I didn't provide for her. Maybe just
because I'm a MAN?

LOL, yeah that's it. insert eye roll

Really if she applied for welfare and got it and the child was living
with
her
and you weren't supporting your child then she did nothing wrong and
you
should
probably pay the money back. I'd assume you have a nice sum of $$$
saved
up
since you didn't support your family for 6 months, right?


I called and told them that I have never given them the Permission to
support my Daughter, they said I didn't have to.
Does this sound Fair?

Fair? What wasn't fair is that you left your wife and child and didn't
do
jack
to contribute to your child's support.

Should I pay them or go through the Hearing
process?

Pay and save yourself a lot of time. They will get the money from you
even
if
you go to the hearing.

Mrs Indyguy
Thank you for your advice

"Indyguy1" wrote in message
...
Chris wrote:

"Indyguy1" wrote in message
...
emankato wrote:

I have been separated from my wife for 6 months and we have a 2 years
old child. During the 6 months she never worked

Was she working when you left her?

and she applied for
Welfare (Medical assistance, Food Stamps.. ) for my daughter and
herself without my permission,

She doesn't need your permission to apply for welfare or for anything
else
for
that matter.

She told them that I left and I don't
support my child.

Well, were you supporting your child?

But I always asked her if I can take my daughter to
live with me but she refused, I can't force her to.

You could have taken her at any point, providing there was no custody
order in
place.

And the mother would have promptly had the police at his door recovering
her
child!

Nope. She could have called the police but without a court order giving
the
father specific times to be with the child he was not doing anything
against
the law and the the police could NOT take the child from him.

Guess again. All she need do is to tell the police that her child is in
danger (by being with the father), and they will QUICKLY snatch the child
from him!


Mrs Indyguy


Now we are back
together

Why did you leave?

but the Government sent me a Letter telling me that I have to
pay my wife $1,000 and I have to pay the Governement $600 for both the
assistant my wife and my daughter got. They sent me some paperwork
stating that I have to pay those amounts otherwise I have the right to
a hearing. My wife and I were NOT legaly separated and I don't
understand why they just assumed that my daughter was living with my
wife and not with me and that I didn't provide for her. Maybe just
because I'm a MAN?

LOL, yeah that's it. insert eye roll

Really if she applied for welfare and got it and the child was living
with
her
and you weren't supporting your child then she did nothing wrong and
you
should
probably pay the money back. I'd assume you have a nice sum of $$$
saved
up
since you didn't support your family for 6 months, right?


I called and told them that I have never given them the Permission to
support my Daughter, they said I didn't have to.
Does this sound Fair?

Fair? What wasn't fair is that you left your wife and child and didn't
do
jack
to contribute to your child's support.

Should I pay them or go through the Hearing
process?

Pay and save yourself a lot of time. They will get the money from you
even
if
you go to the hearing.

Mrs Indyguy
Thank you for your advice

"Bob" wrote in message
...
Indyguy1 wrote:
Chris wrote:


"Indyguy1" wrote in message
...

emankato wrote:


I have been separated from my wife for 6 months and we have a 2 years
old child. During the 6 months she never worked

Was she working when you left her?

and she applied for

Welfare (Medical assistance, Food Stamps.. ) for my daughter and
herself without my permission,

She doesn't need your permission to apply for welfare or for anything
else

for

that matter.

She told them that I left and I don't

support my child.

Well, were you supporting your child?

But I always asked her if I can take my daughter to

live with me but she refused, I can't force her to.

You could have taken her at any point, providing there was no custody

order in

place.

And the mother would have promptly had the police at his door recovering
her
child!


Nope. She could have called the police but without a court order giving
the
father specific times to be with the child he was not doing anything
against
the law and the the police could NOT take the child from him.


Still living on Uranus?

Or some planet OTHER than Earth.


Bob


--

When did we divide into sides?

"As president, I will put American government and our legal system back
on the side of women." John Kerry, misandrist Democratic candidate for
President. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/women/

"Bob" wrote in message
...
Indyguy1 wrote:
Chris wrote:


"Indyguy1" wrote in message
...

emankato wrote:


I have been separated from my wife for 6 months and we have a 2 years
old child. During the 6 months she never worked

Was she working when you left her?

and she applied for

Welfare (Medical assistance, Food Stamps.. ) for my daughter and
herself without my permission,

She doesn't need your permission to apply for welfare or for anything
else

for

that matter.

She told them that I left and I don't

support my child.

Well, were you supporting your child?

But I always asked her if I can take my daughter to

live with me but she refused, I can't force her to.

You could have taken her at any point, providing there was no custody

order in

place.

And the mother would have promptly had the police at his door recovering
her
child!


Nope. She could have called the police but without a court order giving
the
father specific times to be with the child he was not doing anything
against
the law and the the police could NOT take the child from him.


Still living on Uranus?

Or some planet OTHER than Earth.


Bob


--

When did we divide into sides?

"As president, I will put American government and our legal system back
on the side of women." John Kerry, misandrist Democratic candidate for
President. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/women/