We don need no steenkin' CPS.

Hi Kane!

Hi Kane!

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stori....1b977675.html

Baby found in bag in Marysville

06:14 PM PDT on Sunday, July 16, 2006

KING5.com

Video

Linda Byron reports
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MARYSVILLE, Wash. – A newborn is recovering Sunday after apparently
being discarded in a plastic bag near a retaining pond in Marysville.

The baby boy appeared to be just hours old with an umbilical cord still
attached and blood on his body.

Marysville Police say they are talking with a person of interest.

The child’s cries heard through an open window in the area of 61st Place
Northeast shortly before 11 p.m. Saturday prompted residents to search
the area.

The man who eventually found the child in a torn plastic bag had
originally thought the cries were coming from a cat, but continued
searching at the urging of his wife, who is nine months pregnant.

The child was found behind a fence surrounding the retaining pond and
may have been tossed there.




http://www.king5.com/localnews/stori....1b977675.html

--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

Why are non-victims provided "services?" Because they are removed during
the investigation and it was not determined they were NON-VICTIMS until
the investigation was complete.

So much for propaganda to the contrary:

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/p...ix.htm#factors

Postinvestigation Services

More than three-quarters of States have policies requiring workers to
provide short-term services, if needed, during an investigation. A
similar percentage of States require workers to assist with the planning
of ongoing services.5 Almost 60 percent (59.4%) of the child victims
received postinvestigation services.6 Nearly 30 percent (27.3%) of
nonvictims received such services. With a few exceptions, the State data
on the average number of days to the provision of services fall within
the timeframe allowed for an investigation or shortly thereafter. The
average time from the start of investigation to provision of service was
46 days.7 These data result in national estimates of 518,000 victims and
718,000 nonvictims who received services.8 ...

Interesting, eh?

Kane





--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

0:- wrote:
Why are non-victims provided "services?" Because they are removed during
the investigation and it was not determined they were NON-VICTIMS until
the investigation was complete.

So much for propaganda to the contrary:

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/p...ix.htm#factors

Postinvestigation Services

More than three-quarters of States have policies requiring workers to
provide short-term services, if needed, during an investigation. A
similar percentage of States require workers to assist with the planning
of ongoing services.5 Almost 60 percent (59.4%) of the child victims
received postinvestigation services.6 Nearly 30 percent (27.3%) of
nonvictims received such services. With a few exceptions, the State data
on the average number of days to the provision of services fall within
the timeframe allowed for an investigation or shortly thereafter. The
average time from the start of investigation to provision of service was
46 days.7 These data result in national estimates of 518,000 victims and
718,000 nonvictims who received services.8 ...

Interesting, eh?

Kane

And how many that received such services were actually removed?

"In addition, 3.9 percent of nonvictims experienced removal."

For the purpose, as I've stated in the past, of the investigation.

0:-


--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

"0:-" wrote in message
news:g5udnVIlXpe6kybZnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@scnresearch. com...
Why are non-victims provided "services?" Because they are removed during
the investigation and it was not determined they were NON-VICTIMS until
the investigation was complete.

I thought they were 'non-victims' because their sibling was a victim??

Running out of straws - huh Butch. lol



So much for propaganda to the contrary:

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/p...ix.htm#factors

Postinvestigation Services

More than three-quarters of States have policies requiring workers to
provide short-term services, if needed, during an investigation. A similar
percentage of States require workers to assist with the planning of
ongoing services.5 Almost 60 percent (59.4%) of the child victims received
postinvestigation services.6 Nearly 30 percent (27.3%) of nonvictims
received such services. With a few exceptions, the State data on the
average number of days to the provision of services fall within the
timeframe allowed for an investigation or shortly thereafter. The average
time from the start of investigation to provision of service was 46 days.7
These data result in national estimates of 518,000 victims and 718,000
nonvictims who received services.8 ...

Interesting, eh?

Kane





--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

MoJo Werkin wrote:
"0:-" wrote in message
news:g5udnVIlXpe6kybZnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@scnresearch. com...
Why are non-victims provided "services?" Because they are removed during
the investigation and it was not determined they were NON-VICTIMS until
the investigation was complete.

I thought they were 'non-victims' because their sibling was a victim??

Running out of straws - huh Butch. lol

Hahaha! Kane0 got caught again! So much for the "formidable research
skill:!

AF


So much for propaganda to the contrary:

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/p...ix.htm#factors

Postinvestigation Services

More than three-quarters of States have policies requiring workers to
provide short-term services, if needed, during an investigation. A similar
percentage of States require workers to assist with the planning of
ongoing services.5 Almost 60 percent (59.4%) of the child victims received
postinvestigation services.6 Nearly 30 percent (27.3%) of nonvictims
received such services. With a few exceptions, the State data on the
average number of days to the provision of services fall within the
timeframe allowed for an investigation or shortly thereafter. The average
time from the start of investigation to provision of service was 46 days.7
These data result in national estimates of 518,000 victims and 718,000
nonvictims who received services.8 ...

Interesting, eh?

Kane





--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

L.A. County Sued Over Girl's Decade In Foster Care

(CBS) LOS ANGELES Los Angeles County is facing a suit alleging a teenager
unnecessarily languished in foster care for 10 years instead of being
turned over to her father because child-welfare officials made no timely
effort to locate him.

http://cbs2.com/topstories/local_story_198105831.html

Doan

MoJo Werkin wrote:
"0:-" wrote in message
news:g5udnVIlXpe6kybZnZ2dnUVZ_oadnZ2d@scnresearch. com...
Why are non-victims provided "services?" Because they are removed during
the investigation and it was not determined they were NON-VICTIMS until
the investigation was complete.

I thought they were 'non-victims' because their sibling was a victim??

Where is it written that an outcome must have only one cause?

Running out of straws - huh Butch. lol

Running our of brains, Michael?

How many socks you got, anyway?

R R R R R R R




So much for propaganda to the contrary:

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/p...ix.htm#factors

Postinvestigation Services

More than three-quarters of States have policies requiring workers to
provide short-term services, if needed, during an investigation. A similar
percentage of States require workers to assist with the planning of
ongoing services.5 Almost 60 percent (59.4%) of the child victims received
postinvestigation services.6 Nearly 30 percent (27.3%) of nonvictims
received such services. With a few exceptions, the State data on the
average number of days to the provision of services fall within the
timeframe allowed for an investigation or shortly thereafter. The average
time from the start of investigation to provision of service was 46 days.7
These data result in national estimates of 518,000 victims and 718,000
nonvictims who received services.8 ...

Interesting, eh?

Kane





--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)




--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

Why are non-victims provided "services?" Because they are removed during
the investigation and it was not determined they were NON-VICTIMS until
the investigation was complete.

Hi, Kane,

You are quite incorrect. Services are usually provided families whose
children have not been removed.

So, the fact that services are provided does not equate to children being
removed during the investigation. The opposite is true. Removal itself is
a "service," but the vast majority of families who are forced into accepting
CPS services, whether they involve substantiated victims or unsubstantiated
non-victims, involve children who are NOT removed during the investigation.

In fact, the method used to force families to accept services is the THREAT
to remove their children. The threat of removal is, as you have explained,
the "stick" CPS uses to force parents to accept services.

A simple check of Adoption and Foster Care Analysis and Reporting System
(AFCARS) annually shows that a very small percentage of non-victim children
are returned to their homes within the time frame of an investigation (60
days). So it is immediately obvious that the vast majority of the
nonvictims who were removed from their homes spent much, much longer in
foster care.

In fact, the majority of non-victims are not removed during the
investigation at all.

When are they removed? After the unsubstantiated finding.

During the investigation, parents relunctantly agree to "services" under
threat of removal of their children. The children stay in the home, and a
safety plan is signed by the parents. As NCANDS reports, most "services"
begin at this point. 30 to 60 days later the investigation is completed
with a finding of unsubstantiated. And, sometime during the months that
follow, the parents miss a hoop in their "safety plans" that mandated the
"services." Remember the stick?

Well, a stick is not effective unless it is used. Since the parents messed
up on one "service" or another, CPS now makes good on its threat and removes
the non-victim children many months after the investigation concluded with
an unsubstantiated finding. Children who were found by CPS itself not to be
at risk of or actually maltreated are now forcibly removed from their
families because mom or dad missed a hoop.

That is why Dan advised members of this group never to sign a safety plan
that provides "services" or remedies for transgressions the parents are not
guilty of.

BTW, whatever happened to your claim that the 69,000 to 109,000 non-victim
children removed their unsubstantiated families annually were "siblings" of
children substantiated as victims? (Which was proven false.) And whatever
happened to your claim that these nonvictims removed from their homes are
really children who were substantiated for some forms of risk or
abuse/neglect and unsubstantiated for others? NCANDS data disproves this
immediately because the sum of non-victims and victims add up to the total
number of children subject to investigations or assessments.

You repeatedly try shots in the dark to explain this glaring statistic --
that tens of thousands of nonvictim children are forcibly removed from their
unsubstantiated families each year. Obviously, the causal variable to
removal is often not the maltreatment of the child or even that the child is
at risk.

And then, of course, there is Ron's claim that all of these non-victims were
removed from their homes voluntarily upon the wishes of their parents.

You have taken three shots at an explanation. All three have been proven
incorrect. Do you want to give it another shot?