If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#11
|
|||
|
|||
"Hillary Israeli" wrote in message ... In , animzmirot wrote: * *"Bodi" wrote in message oups.com... * I had never heard of this, but it sounds like what my 7 y/o ds does. * He will be talking, stop, then repeat the last word or the last part of * the last word he said (sometimes more than once) before he continues. * We always thought it was just something he did. * *No, that doesn't sound like cluttering. Cluttering is when a person's mind *moves much faster than their mouth, so they start talking but their mind is *racing way ahead, and they get lost partway through the story, and have to *start back at the beginning. It isn't repeating just a word, it's starting Oh, that has a name and is an actual recognized entity? I just thought it was something really annoying that happens to me now and then If it only happens now and then, you're suffering from brain farts, not cluttering. :-) Or perhaps old timers disease. Same difference. But cluttering is really significant and if you have ever been around someone who is a clutterer you'd see in a heartbeat that this isn't a brain fart, it's a really big and pretty weird speech dysfluency. As I said, it's fairly rare, so rare that most SLPs haven't ever encountered it or even know what it is, but it's quite significant when you are around someone with the problem. It can improve greatly with ST, but clutterers always have kind of a wandering way of reporting anything, with starts and stops in the most unlikely places, and definate word finding issues. |
#12
|
|||
|
|||
"animzmirot" wrote in message ... "Hillary Israeli" wrote in message ... In , animzmirot wrote: * *"Bodi" wrote in message oups.com... * I had never heard of this, but it sounds like what my 7 y/o ds does. * He will be talking, stop, then repeat the last word or the last part of * the last word he said (sometimes more than once) before he continues. * We always thought it was just something he did. * *No, that doesn't sound like cluttering. Cluttering is when a person's mind *moves much faster than their mouth, so they start talking but their mind is *racing way ahead, and they get lost partway through the story, and have to *start back at the beginning. It isn't repeating just a word, it's starting Oh, that has a name and is an actual recognized entity? I just thought it was something really annoying that happens to me now and then If it only happens now and then, you're suffering from brain farts, not cluttering. :-) Or perhaps old timers disease. Same difference. But cluttering is really significant and if you have ever been around someone who is a clutterer you'd see in a heartbeat that this isn't a brain fart, it's a really big and pretty weird speech dysfluency. As I said, it's fairly rare, so rare that most SLPs haven't ever encountered it or even know what it is, but it's quite significant when you are around someone with the problem. It can improve greatly with ST, but clutterers always have kind of a wandering way of reporting anything, with starts and stops in the most unlikely places, and definate word finding issues. FWIW, mine is actually considered a "cognitive disorder NOS (not otherwise specified)", because it's a sign of actual brain damage, as opposed to the more physical speech problems which I also have due to cerebral palsy. I also have no natural pacing control on my speech, which means that unless I concentrate on it, I really can get going quickly, and tend to lose control of inflection and volume, too. All of which gets worse under stress. One side effect of the cluttering is that when I'm really emotional, I often can't get words out at all, and end up in total tears just from sheer frustration. All of it's gotten much better as I got older, but it took many years of pretty intense speech therapy to get here, and for most of it, speech was considered to be my most significant disability, because it was much harder to accommodate than the physical stuff. |
#13
|
|||
|
|||
|
#14
|
|||
|
|||
"Donna Metler" wrote in message . .. FWIW, mine is actually considered a "cognitive disorder NOS (not otherwise specified)", because it's a sign of actual brain damage, as opposed to the more physical speech problems which I also have due to cerebral palsy. I also have no natural pacing control on my speech, which means that unless I concentrate on it, I really can get going quickly, and tend to lose control of inflection and volume, too. All of which gets worse under stress. One side effect of the cluttering is that when I'm really emotional, I often can't get words out at all, and end up in total tears just from sheer frustration. Oddly enough, this is EXACTLY the same stuff as with my DD. She also has very mild brain damage (enlarged ventricles) and extremely mild CP. So mild she's a cheerleader at school, but when she was little, she was quite affected. She just lucked out and got a magnificent PT at 4 months of age and her brain was able to be rewired. She also tends to lose control of volume... it gets louder and Louder and LOUDER until you feel like you want to aim the remote at her and turn her down. And the more stressful she is, the flatter her tones and the louder she gets. All of it's gotten much better as I got older, but it took many years of pretty intense speech therapy to get here, and for most of it, speech was considered to be my most significant disability, because it was much harder to accommodate than the physical stuff. Yup...exactly. M |
#15
|
|||
|
|||
I'm an adult clutterer, and so maybe I can give some helpful information on
this. I think that cluttering really is something that you can "outgrow," and that's been one of the most helpful things for me in helping me to overcome my cluttering, is to try to learn what I missed earlier in life. One of the premier cluttering researchers in the field said that he thought that all children clutter at 2-3, and then they outgrow it. Also, there are various levels of cluttering. If you meet someone with a very severe case, they are unintelligible, but that doesn't mean that all clutterers are unintelligible. I think that cluttering is just as common, if not more common than stuttering, but since it is hard to identify, and clutterers generally don't seek treatment, then it seems to SLP's that it is rare. I made a website for discussions about cluttering. It is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cluttering/ Everyone is invited to join. Thanks. |
|
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|