! Andrea Yates found Not Guilty of drowning her five children

127.0.0.1 wrote:

I have ADD and I don't kill people, I don't drown children, I don't strap
children in the back seats of cars and push the car in a lake. Many people
at my school have ADD and we don't kill people.
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Kids with ADD don't have delusions.
Steve

"127.0.0.1" writes:


Your logic if flawed moron! You would have to be mental to go around
and kill people at random, yes?

Err, no. Happens all the time and is very often called "war".

No sane person would do that, right? How many serial killers have
we executed? Serial killers are nut-cakes like Yates, both are
mental and both should be KILLED!

What's wrong with putting serial killers to death and not Yates?
Both are mental.

The distinguishing difference between these cases is that most serial
killers at the time of their murders know exactly that they do commit
crimes and that what they do is wrong and not accepted by
society. They usually simply do not care and think they can get away
with it.

Peter Bruells wrote:
"127.0.0.1" writes:


Your logic if flawed moron! You would have to be mental to go around
and kill people at random, yes?


Err, no. Happens all the time and is very often called "war".


No sane person would do that, right? How many serial killers have
we executed? Serial killers are nut-cakes like Yates, both are
mental and both should be KILLED!



What's wrong with putting serial killers to death and not Yates?
Both are mental.


The distinguishing difference between these cases is that most serial
killers at the time of their murders know exactly that they do commit
crimes and that what they do is wrong and not accepted by
society. They usually simply do not care and think they can get away
with it.


or they simply can't stop killing and sometimes are glad to be caught-
they know it's wrong to kill but can't stop themselves.

Last night I watched "crime stories" and it was about a guy named
Russell Maurice Johnson who murdered seven women in southern ontario in
the late 1970s. He was going to be tried for three of the murders, but
then authories agreed to proscecute him only for those three if he
confessed to other crimes he'd hinted at. So he did. Apparently he had
psychotic episodes where he would be unable to control himself and would
get the urge to kill, and his trademark was that he left the crime
scenes neat and tidy- even doing dishes, because he was worried his
victims (dead) would be 'angry at him'. He was found not guilty by
reason of insanity but was given an indefinite sentence at a mental
institution. He's still there apparently. I never even heard of this
story but it was an interesting one.Apparently he told police he was
glad they caught him because he knew he'd never be able to stop killing.

IamIaam Knowledge wrote:

That's an incredibly sad story. (etc.)

Any chance all of you could stop crossposting this nut-bagginess to
"alt.support.childfree"?

127.0.0.1 wrote:
IamIaam Knowledge wrote:

That's an incredibly sad story. When I think of all the pain and
suffering the woman went through to birth five children. Then all the
love, time, and energy she spent raising them.


How in the hell can anyone feel sorry for that evil bitch?!! Someone needs
to do to her, what she did to those children.

Same with that Susan Smith whore, strap that bitch in the back seat of a car
and push it in a lake.

I can't believe we have sick *******s like you in the world who make excuses
for these baby killers.


Yates had been under the care of her own psychiatrists before the
murders, and none of them thought she was a potential murderer. The
insanity defense popped up AFTER the fact. It was an excuse. Who
knows . . . . maybe Yates became insane AFTER she killed her kids.

She knowingly and with pre meditation killed her children one by one.
I understand the oldest and last one put up a strong fight.

Yates did it deliberately when she knew she would be alone with the
children . If she was so insane that she did not know right from
wrong, why did she wait until her husband left for work? Why did she
call 911 right away?

IMHO the insanity defense was bull**** . . . . .

Yates may have had mental problems, but she was not insane when she
killed her children.

I bet if she were a black man in the state of Texas who killed 5 white
kids and then pled "insanity" he would have been given the death
penalty so fast, he wouldn't have known what hit him.

wrote:

127.0.0.1 wrote:
IamIaam Knowledge wrote:

That's an incredibly sad story. When I think of all the pain and
suffering the woman went through to birth five children. Then all the
love, time, and energy she spent raising them.


How in the hell can anyone feel sorry for that evil bitch?!! Someone needs
to do to her, what she did to those children.

Same with that Susan Smith whore, strap that bitch in the back seat of a car
and push it in a lake.

I can't believe we have sick *******s like you in the world who make excuses
for these baby killers.

Yates had been under the care of her own psychiatrists before the
murders, and none of them thought she was a potential murderer. The
insanity defense popped up AFTER the fact. It was an excuse. Who
knows . . . . maybe Yates became insane AFTER she killed her kids.

She knowingly and with pre meditation killed her children one by one.
I understand the oldest and last one put up a strong fight.

Yates did it deliberately when she knew she would be alone with the
children . If she was so insane that she did not know right from
wrong, why did she wait until her husband left for work? Why did she
call 911 right away?
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It was part of the delusion, planning is not absent from psychotic
acts, just normal reason is.


IMHO the insanity defense was bull**** . . . . .

Yates may have had mental problems, but she was not insane when she
killed her children.
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Your problem is that you hold an opinion without having read enough
evidence to know better. You're believing what suits your fancy.
Steve

R. Steve Walz wrote:
wrote:

127.0.0.1 wrote:
IamIaam Knowledge wrote:

That's an incredibly sad story. When I think of all the pain and
suffering the woman went through to birth five children. Then all the
love, time, and energy she spent raising them.


How in the hell can anyone feel sorry for that evil bitch?!! Someone needs
to do to her, what she did to those children.

Same with that Susan Smith whore, strap that bitch in the back seat of a car
and push it in a lake.

I can't believe we have sick *******s like you in the world who make excuses
for these baby killers.

Yates had been under the care of her own psychiatrists before the
murders, and none of them thought she was a potential murderer. The
insanity defense popped up AFTER the fact. It was an excuse. Who
knows . . . . maybe Yates became insane AFTER she killed her kids.

She knowingly and with pre meditation killed her children one by one.
I understand the oldest and last one put up a strong fight.

Yates did it deliberately when she knew she would be alone with the
children . If she was so insane that she did not know right from
wrong, why did she wait until her husband left for work? Why did she
call 911 right away?
----------------
It was part of the delusion, planning is not absent from psychotic
acts, just normal reason is.


IMHO the insanity defense was bull**** . . . . .

Yates may have had mental problems, but she was not insane when she
killed her children.
----------------
Your problem is that you hold an opinion without having read enough
evidence to know better. You're believing what suits your fancy.
Steve


Perhaps you are correct, but let me ask you this . . . . does it seem
logical to you that she should "get away with it"? That is what is
happening. She will be "sentenced" to a medical facility, and get
better housing, food and medical care than many poor people in this
country, and could be out in a few months should some "doctor"
determine she is now fine. Then Andrea would be free to have 5 more
babies to kill.

As I said before, Yates was under the care of at least one shrink
BEFORE she killed her children . . . . if she was so psychotic, why did
he release her? Why wasn't she insitutionalized then?

Everything I've read suggests she thought of killing her kids before.
One article said she filled the bath tub before, but her family was
home. She never told anyone then of her plans. Why did she wait until
her husband was away to kill her kids? If she was so insane, why
didn't she tell anyone before of her plans? Answer: Yates knew it was
wrong.

Yates was very rational. She knew what she was doing and carefully
planned it.

wrote:

R. Steve Walz wrote:
wrote:

127.0.0.1 wrote:
IamIaam Knowledge wrote:

That's an incredibly sad story. When I think of all the pain and
suffering the woman went through to birth five children. Then all the
love, time, and energy she spent raising them.


How in the hell can anyone feel sorry for that evil bitch?!! Someone needs
to do to her, what she did to those children.

Same with that Susan Smith whore, strap that bitch in the back seat of a car
and push it in a lake.

I can't believe we have sick *******s like you in the world who make excuses
for these baby killers.

Yates had been under the care of her own psychiatrists before the
murders, and none of them thought she was a potential murderer. The
insanity defense popped up AFTER the fact. It was an excuse. Who
knows . . . . maybe Yates became insane AFTER she killed her kids.

She knowingly and with pre meditation killed her children one by one.
I understand the oldest and last one put up a strong fight.

Yates did it deliberately when she knew she would be alone with the
children . If she was so insane that she did not know right from
wrong, why did she wait until her husband left for work? Why did she
call 911 right away?
----------------
It was part of the delusion, planning is not absent from psychotic
acts, just normal reason is.


IMHO the insanity defense was bull**** . . . . .

Yates may have had mental problems, but she was not insane when she
killed her children.
----------------
Your problem is that you hold an opinion without having read enough
evidence to know better. You're believing what suits your fancy.
Steve

Perhaps you are correct, but let me ask you this . . . . does it seem
logical to you that she should "get away with it"?
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She will be treated and watched askance the rest of her life.
She didn't "get away" with anything, she was insane.


That is what is
happening. She will be "sentenced" to a medical facility, and get
better housing, food and medical care than many poor people in this
country,
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That speaks only to what the poor SHOULD have, not to what Yates or
any prisoner should have. If you are going to keep slaves, you are
honorbound to keep them in good shape or kill them. And you don't
enslave someone for something beyond their control.

The thing about your notions that are sick is that you seem entirely
unable to even fathom insanity or what it is. You seem to totally
dismiss it as "faking" to avoid punishment. This means that you are
also insane if you persist, or else just stupid. I worked the Psych
Ward for lots of overtime when I was an in-house EMT, and I assure
you, delusion is quite real. If you think not then you are wholly
presumptuous and without basis for your opinion.


and could be out in a few months should some "doctor"
determine she is now fine.
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You even seem to pretend here that "Dr.s" aren't really different
from you and me, and in some ways you might be right, but in the
ways that matter to the issue you are wrong, and you manifest the
classic Scienti-phobia of uneducated morons who paranoidly imagine
VAINLY that everyone who did vastly better than they did in school
are really just cheating the rest of us and don't actually know much
more than you dufuses and are incompetent!!


Then Andrea would be free to have 5 more
babies to kill.
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I doubt that. Too many people are watching for that.


As I said before, Yates was under the care of at least one shrink
BEFORE she killed her children . . . . if she was so psychotic, why did
he release her? Why wasn't she insitutionalized then?
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Nobody knew she was that bad off, the disorder in its initial stages
conceals itself.


Everything I've read suggests she thought of killing her kids before.
One article said she filled the bath tub before, but her family was
home. She never told anyone then of her plans. Why did she wait until
her husband was away to kill her kids? If she was so insane, why
didn't she tell anyone before of her plans? Answer: Yates knew it was
wrong.
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Because she knew they would stop her and she believed they would be
wrong to do so!!

Because she was CRAZY NOT STUPID!!!! This is the problem that slack-
jawed idjits like you cannot seem to keep straight, that the insane
are NOT stupid, they are INSANE, meaning they are motivated BY
DELUSION, but they are NOT limited by the delusion, in fact they
are stimulated to action by it with all their intellectual faculties!


Yates was very rational. She knew what she was doing and carefully
planned it.
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Normal for someone who is insane!!
Insanity is not "irrational" within its own frame, just within the
RIGHT SANE frame. You really are a dufus to not grasp this!!
Steve

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"127.0.0.1" wrote:

How about we give Yates some Ritilan, that would make her sane to stand
trial and when she's found guilty then execute her?

Ritalin isn't an antipsychotic.

Besides -- she WAS sane enough to stand trial; that was not the issue.
The issue was whether she was sane *when she drowned her kids*. The
jury's judgement was that she was not.

--
Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care

"127.0.0.1" wrote in message
...

How about we give Yates some Ritilan, that would make her sane to stand
trial and when she's found guilty then execute her?

When does school start up again? Around here, it's about the middle of
August. I don't want to wish my life away, but I'm eager for school to get
back in session.

(It's "Ritalin". Wouldn't work anyway, I imagine, because Andrea wasn't
hyperactive or ADD. She was psychotic.)

Linda