School Breakfasts (and lunches)

Stephanie schrieb:
NL wrote:

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Ok, being queen of kitchen gadgets: there are apple corers that slice
the apples into wedges at the same time, you just push down, takes 5
seconds. Grapes, peaches can be served washed, bananas don't even need
to be washed.


OMG! Apples. We have this thingy that peels and cores in one spiral motion!
Love it.

See, now I have gadget envy. And I'm allergic to apples, so it's not
like I'm ever using the thing I have!

Rosalie B. schrieb:
NL wrote:
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Haven't you ever had bacon, egg and cheese biscuit sandwiches? Very
very bad for you, but a sandwich with lots of protein and lots of
calories.

No, I haven't, but I can imagine it and I am growing very hungry just by
following this thread....

Sam has oatmeal with cocoa and a glass of diluted juice, I have muesli
that I nuke because I like it mushy and also a glass of diluted juice...
Sometimes he wants cereal like Cocoapuffs which I fork out on occasion.
But he takes a sandwich to school. On special request and if it's not
too warm outside I pack oatmeal (dry with cocoa mixed in) and a small
bottle of milk.

My mother always taught me that chocolate milk was evil, and I should
not drink it. Also, in the days when I was in school, regular milk
was whole milk, and chocolate milk was skim milk which was considered
not as good for children.

We do whole milk only in my family. I don't like drinking white water
;-) (seriously, no-fat milk?? Why? totally rhetorical question)

I don't see anything wrong with occasionally eating fastfood/junkfood,
but I think our kids get enough junk at home as it is.

It isn't our business what they get at home. We can't correct the
nutritional blind spots of the parents.

No we can't, but we don't have to make it worse.

cu
nicole

In article , NL says...

Banty schrieb:
In article , NL says...

Honestly, I think I'm very biased being german. I think growing up
without peanutbutter means I consider it junk because I only ever ate it
in moderation anyway... It's hard to explain, but I still think it's not
the healthiest/best thing to eat. A cheese sandwich would be better.


Cheese sandwiches are more rare here. And constipating.

I _knew_ my lactose intolerance would be a good thing in some instances ;-)

I love cheese anyway; always did; always will.

In college when I was in an apartment and cooking for myself and really
streeetttcching the budget, I cooked a lot with cheese for protein. But I ran
into some limits there ;-)


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Well, you can cook cheap and healthy at the same time. It means less
meat and more vegetables, but I'm on a super tight budget and cooking
from scratch is still cheaper than buying frozen and reheating. I know,
cooks earn more than can openers, but I still don't think it'll make a
huge difference.

Its cheaper for you (as it would be in most households) but only because you're
not really costing in your own labor, and the rent and maintenance of your
preparation space.

I know what you mean, but how do the universities manage it? I payed
(back in the day) about 2DM (roughly 1¤) for a meal, that's *cough*years
ago, so let's just say it would be about $3. For a meal that fed an
adult and generated leftovers! I know it was subsidized, I think they
got half the meal prices from... I'm actually not sure if it was the
state the city or some sub organization on campus (Studentenwerk, they
own some/most of the dorms and either run or subcontract out the
cafeterias. I'm not sure if part of their profits from other areas went
into the cafeteria or if they got money from the state. Sorry.)
Anyway, let's say an adult meal costs $5 and a kid sized meal would be
about half the size but since you still spend the time putting it on
plates, etc. I'd say $3 per cooked hot meal would be a good total price,
then we need to figure out how much gets subsidized, but I don't think
we'll be able to feed the kids on less than $2 per cooked hot meal, does
that sound right?

The universities manage it by charging more, by having private income from
students, not having that budget under yearly scrutiny of largely uninformed
payers. If you got *subsidies* - well, there you go! C'mon!



It's kind like the homeschooling discussion. If you forget the overhead and
labor (which one only can if one would be doing it anyway and the space is there
anyway), it "looks" cheap. But its not in a way any business or overall social
model would need to look at it.

Ok, I kind of don't get what you're trying to say here, but that's
probably because I have absolutely minimal info about how homeschooling
works.

I was saying that to compare pre-prepared foods and cooking from scratch, from a
household's experience (with the labor assumed and the kitchen right there in
the house) is quite different from the same comparison where people have to be
hired to do it, more refrigerators would have to run (especially if we're to
pleas the anti-preservative crowd!), more space for preparation.

Folks talk glibly about how wonderful it would be to have salad bars, sliced
fresh vegetables. But see I worked in kitchens and cafeterias. The
salad-fixing starts early in the morning! It's very labor-intensive. So what
you get in a school cafeteria, at best, is a broken off piece of iceberg lettuce
with some stuff on top of it.

And y'know what - you WON'T please everyone. IT's like airline meals (back when
they had them). I always thought they were halfway decent. But people complain
and make jokes about them anyway - they're not like fine restaurants they're not
like what Mommy cooks oh well.

Banty

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
news
NL wrote:
Banty schrieb:
In article , NL says...
What I would consider an appropriate school breakfast/lunch would be a
sandwich with lunchmeat and/or cheese. Maybe a leaf of lettuce and a
slice of tomato. No peanutbutter, no nutella, possibly jam/marmalade
for
those who don't eat meat/dairy. And a drink of water (you have
fountains, right? We don't in germany.)

When I was in school our use of the water fountains was restricted. We
weren't allowed to stop and have a drink on the way in from the
playground for instance. Nor were we allowed to carry bottled water
or any food or drink with us. We also do have some areas where the
water in fountains is contaminated with lead or bacteria so that it is
not safe to drink.

Why not peanut butter?

Ok, I love peanutbutter, but I don't think it's healthy, it's very
fatty, usually has sugar and salt added in not insignificant amounts and
there are better things you can feed kids first thing in the morning
than that sticky gooey stuff ;-)
Honestly, I think I'm very biased being german. I think growing up
without peanutbutter means I consider it junk because I only ever ate it
in moderation anyway... It's hard to explain, but I still think it's not
the healthiest/best thing to eat. A cheese sandwich would be better.

Peanut butter had veggie based protein. My dh ate pb&j sandwiches for
lunch for YEARS - all though school. It's all he would eat. He
still eats it, although now on whole grain bread. One of my dds would
only eat the pb without the j. He has never eaten much cheese - does
not particularly like it and is now lactose intolerant.

My dd#1 lived in England for several years, and she said that the
English could not get their heads around stuff like pumpkin pie which
is basically a custard with milk and eggs and the pumpkin which is a
very nice yellow/orange vegetable (at least the way we make it) and
some spices. The more conservative ones wouldn't even try it. But
while it does have some sugar in it, it's really not a bad dessert.

I liked pumpkin pie until I read that description...
Pumpkins in UK are strictly for pumpkin lanterns at halloween. Mind you, we
always used turnips and pomegranates instead becase pumpkins were hard to
get hold of until a few years ago.
Debbie
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NL wrote:

I know what you mean, but how do the universities manage it?

Because every student pays, and they pay 3 times as much. Where I went
to school it is now about $5 per meal. It comes out so low because I
divided it by 3 meals but many of those students do not eat 3 meals. I
do believe that some of the credit hour fee that students pay also go
towards the contract with the food service. I'm not positive though.
So there is a huge private pay involved in college campus meals that is
not part of public school meals.

Hi --

Where I live, full-day kindy has been advocated (and implemented) on
strictly educational grounds. Kids who attend full-day kindy apparently
(statistically speaking) do better in school over the long term.
Full-day kindy has been implemented school by school, with the first to
receive it being the schools with the poorest children and the last
being the schools with the wealthiest children.

--Beth Kevles
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Disclaimer: Nothing in this message should be construed as medical
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Welches wrote:
"Rosalie B." wrote in message
news
NL wrote:
Banty schrieb:
In article , NL says...
What I would consider an appropriate school breakfast/lunch would be a
sandwich with lunchmeat and/or cheese. Maybe a leaf of lettuce and a
slice of tomato. No peanutbutter, no nutella, possibly jam/marmalade
for
those who don't eat meat/dairy. And a drink of water (you have
fountains, right? We don't in germany.)
When I was in school our use of the water fountains was restricted. We
weren't allowed to stop and have a drink on the way in from the
playground for instance. Nor were we allowed to carry bottled water
or any food or drink with us. We also do have some areas where the
water in fountains is contaminated with lead or bacteria so that it is
not safe to drink.

Why not peanut butter?
Ok, I love peanutbutter, but I don't think it's healthy, it's very
fatty, usually has sugar and salt added in not insignificant amounts and
there are better things you can feed kids first thing in the morning
than that sticky gooey stuff ;-)
Honestly, I think I'm very biased being german. I think growing up
without peanutbutter means I consider it junk because I only ever ate it
in moderation anyway... It's hard to explain, but I still think it's not
the healthiest/best thing to eat. A cheese sandwich would be better.

Peanut butter had veggie based protein. My dh ate pb&j sandwiches for
lunch for YEARS - all though school. It's all he would eat. He
still eats it, although now on whole grain bread. One of my dds would
only eat the pb without the j. He has never eaten much cheese - does
not particularly like it and is now lactose intolerant.

My dd#1 lived in England for several years, and she said that the
English could not get their heads around stuff like pumpkin pie which
is basically a custard with milk and eggs and the pumpkin which is a
very nice yellow/orange vegetable (at least the way we make it) and
some spices. The more conservative ones wouldn't even try it. But
while it does have some sugar in it, it's really not a bad dessert.

I liked pumpkin pie until I read that description...
Pumpkins in UK are strictly for pumpkin lanterns at halloween. Mind you, we
always used turnips and pomegranates instead becase pumpkins were hard to
get hold of until a few years ago.
Debbie
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I don't like pumpkin pie, either. Pumpkin soup is (or can be) good - I
remember being really surprised at how good it tasted; I had always
associated pumpkins with the icky (to me) sweet taste of pumpkin pie.

Clisby

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:10:51 -0500, "Donna Metler"
wrote:

It's probably better than the kids having no breakfast at all, but it's not
great when you're the one teaching those kids!

They need to think *outside* the box. There is nothing wrong with
serving lunch type foods for breakfast.

Also, it would seem that yogurt could be served (fruit yogurt perhaps)
or drinkable yogurt if the kids seem to like that? Some kind of
sandwiches with meat might work too and these would provide some
protein.


--
Dorothy

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that can be heard unless someone listens ..

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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:51:54 +0200, NL wrote:

And I don't know why everyone's going on about the cost and the
requirement of kitchens etc. when every college probably has a canteen
and they're probably not serving junk either.

Many of the college cafeterias are currently franchised out to fast
food places.

Aside from that college students generally pay room and board and that
covers a bit better grade of food than is available in the k-12
schools here.


--
Dorothy

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that can be heard unless someone listens ..

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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:21:09 +0200, NL wrote:

Stephanie schrieb:
NL wrote:

What I would consider an appropriate school breakfast/lunch would be a
sandwich with lunchmeat and/or cheese. Maybe a leaf of lettuce and a
slice of tomato. No peanutbutter, no nutella, possibly jam/marmalade
for those who don't eat meat/dairy. And a drink of water (you have
fountains, right? We don't in germany.)

What is wrong with peanut butter? Peanut butter and banana on whole wheat
would not be considered a healthy sandwich?

Peanut butter is very fatty and has sugar and salt added as far as i
know, so no, I don't think it's healthy.

cu
nicole

We need fats in our diets, just not to excess

http://peanut-butter.org/peanut-butt...+Peanut+Butter

The calorie breakdown for peanut butter is:

* 71% calories from fats
* 14% calories from carbohydrates
* 15% calories from protein

This means that the vast majority of calories come from fats, which is
why it is generally advised that obese people avoid eating too large
an amount of peanut butter.
The total calorie content in 100 grams of peanut butter is 589Cal,
placing it among the most caloric foods in the typical U.S kitchen. A
more detailed breakdown can be found in our peanut butter nutritional
data page.
Most of the fats contained are however monounsaturated, and have been
shown to improve the cholesterol profile by lowering "bad" LDL
cholesterol.
This effect is compounded by peanut butter containing polyunsaturated
fats, which in turn help raising the "good" HDL cholesterol; the
synergistic effect makes this spread a very good cholesterol
regulator.

In a randomized, cross-over, double-blind study involving 22 subjects,
a high monounsaturated diet that emphasized peanuts and peanut butter
decreased the risk of cardiovascular diseases by 21% compared to the
average American diet.

Peanut butter contains fairly high quantities of dietary fiber,
amounting to about 8%, which again helps in regulating both blood
cholesterol and blood sugar levels.
Dietary fiber has also been shown to significantly reduce the risk of
colo-rectal cancer (which is among the most common causes of death by
cancer in civilized countries) and atherosclerosis (another common
disease in the U.S. and Europe).

Proteins are present in high amounts (about 24% in weight), together
with very important micro-nutrients such as Vitamin E, Vitamin B3 and
large amounts of beneficial minerals such as iron, magnesium,
potassium, copper and calcium.

Vitamin E is one of the most powerful liposoluble antioxidants, shown
to significantly reduce the risk of cancer and cardiovascular
diseases; Vitamin B3 (also known as Niacin) is a water-soluble vitamin
that aids in the recovery of cell DNA damage (thus protecting from
cancer) and in improving sexual bodily functions by assuring the
proper secretion of sexual hormones.

The minerals peanut butter contains are in variable amount (raw peanut
butter with crushed skin contains much higher amounts than refined
"nut-only" butter): iron is essential for the correct functioning of
your red blood cells, while calcium promotes healthy bones and shields
against muscle spasms.
Although not among the richest foods in potassium, peanut butter still
contains fairly good amounts of it, and research has indicated that
diets rich in potassium reduce the risk of hypertension (bananas are,
however, a better source of potassium, try making a banana and peanut
butter sandwich!).


--
Dorothy

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that can be heard unless someone listens ..

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