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Old February 10th 06, 07:22 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,talk.politics.medicine,alt.support.attn-deficit
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"Mark Probert wrote:
JanD wrote:
vernon wrote:
Ilena wrote in message
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From: "VERACARE"


Why has the FDA concealed from the public 51 deaths from ADHD drugs
until
now?


51 out of around 100,000 per year of miss-prescribed and errors is
quite insignificant.


Instead of cutting and pasting, please attempt to address my comments:

You are mistaken in your interpretation of the numbers. The NY Times
reported that this was a study of five years of records, 1999 through
2003. The number of deaths is also incorrect.


So you say.

I take YOUR word for nothing.



"Twenty-five people died suddenly and 54 others suffered serious
unexplained heart problems while taking stimulant drugs like Ritalin from
1999 through 2003, according to reports sent to federal drug regulators."

Now, let's take a minute and analyze this. Twenty-five people died over
the course of 5 years. That averages to 5 deaths per year. The NYTimes
then reports that "...[a]bout 29 million prescriptions were written in
2004 for Ritalin, Adderall and similar drugs to treat attention deficit
disorder and hyperactivity, most of them for children."

Assume that the average prescription rate is *only* 25,000,000 per year.
Since these medications are Schedule II, which means that only a one
months supply can be written at a time, approximately 2,083,333 people per
month are, on average, being prescribed these medications.

Assume that all 5 deaths happened in the same month, and you wind up with
a rate of 2.4000003840000614400098304015729e-6.

Compare that with the odds of being struck by lightening:


No, I don't think so.

This is a diversion, trying to justify the deaths.

http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/medical.htm

My younger son attends a special school for physically handicapped
students. In the past three years, two classmates have died for no
apparent reason, the last being in December 2005. One of the kids in my
neighborhood died from running the bases. His father is a DDS and was at
the school at the time. He is trained in using a defibrillator and could
not resuscitate his son.

I would classify this report and just this side of relatively meaningless.



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Old February 10th 06, 07:27 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,talk.politics.medicine,alt.support.attn-deficit
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Without checking the data,
I suggest that Accutane might be just as dangerous.


We aren't talking about *Accutane*


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Old February 10th 06, 08:15 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,talk.politics.medicine
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If conventional doctors had any moral integrity, they would have at
least given all their ADHD patients a choice of either medication, or
help with finding their Hidden Food Sensitivities. Instead, they go
straight for the drugs. They don't tell their patients anything about
the Hidden Food Sensitivity controversy. What greedy wimps. They sold
their soul to the pharmaceutical companies.

Brad_Chad

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Old February 10th 06, 02:41 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,talk.politics.medicine,alt.support.attn-deficit
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This is a diversion, trying to justify the deaths.


You really do have a problem with reality.

Justify???


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Old February 10th 06, 02:42 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,talk.politics.medicine,alt.support.attn-deficit
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"JanD" wrote in message
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"Twittering One" wrote in message
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Without checking the data,
I suggest that Accutane might be just as dangerous.


We aren't talking about *Accutane*


YOU are not talking about anything relevant.


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Old February 10th 06, 02:44 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,talk.politics.medicine
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"Brad_Chad" wrote in message
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If conventional doctors had any moral integrity, they would have at
least given all their ADHD patients a choice of either medication, or
help with finding their Hidden Food Sensitivities. Instead, they go
straight for the drugs. They don't tell their patients anything about
the Hidden Food Sensitivity controversy. What greedy wimps. They sold
their soul to the pharmaceutical companies.

Brad_Chad



Pharms had nothing to do with it.
It's crass laziness along with putting up with idiotic mommies.


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Old February 10th 06, 03:11 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,talk.politics.medicine,alt.support.attn-deficit
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In article , Mark Probert writes:
"Twenty-five people died suddenly and 54 others suffered serious
unexplained heart problems while taking stimulant drugs like Ritalin
from 1999 through 2003, according to reports sent to federal drug
regulators."

Now, let's take a minute and analyze this. Twenty-five people died over
the course of 5 years. That averages to 5 deaths per year. The NYTimes
then reports that "...[a]bout 29 million prescriptions were written in
2004 for Ritalin, Adderall and similar drugs to treat attention deficit
disorder and hyperactivity, most of them for children."


How many people died over the same period of Tylenol (or the many generic
equivalents) overdose? How many more suffered life threatening
complications, or are now on a wait list for an organ transplant from
Tylenol. And why aren't these same people SCREAMING to pull Tylenol off the
market.


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benefits it will convey if properly administered, but in the
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Old February 10th 06, 03:18 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,talk.politics.medicine
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JanD wrote:
"vernon" wrote in message
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Ilena wrote in message
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From: "VERACARE"


Why has the FDA concealed from the public 51 deaths from ADHD drugs
until
now?


51 out of around 100,000 per year of miss-prescribed and errors is quite
insignificant.


EVERY death is significant.


Like the girl who was killed by her parents denial of the existence of
AIDS?
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Old February 10th 06, 03:27 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,talk.politics.medicine,alt.support.attn-deficit
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JanD wrote:
"Mark Probert wrote:
JanD wrote:
vernon wrote:
Ilena wrote in message
...
P.net!53ab2750!not-for-mail
From: "VERACARE"


Why has the FDA concealed from the public 51 deaths from ADHD drugs
until
now?

51 out of around 100,000 per year of miss-prescribed and errors is
quite insignificant.

Instead of cutting and pasting, please attempt to address my comments:

You are mistaken in your interpretation of the numbers. The NY Times
reported that this was a study of five years of records, 1999 through
2003. The number of deaths is also incorrect.


So you say.

I take YOUR word for nothing.


Who said to take my word, although you would be wise to do so. I posted,
right below your asinine remark, a quote from a NYTimes article to
support my statement. IOW, I posted facts.

"Twenty-five people died suddenly and 54 others suffered serious
unexplained heart problems while taking stimulant drugs like Ritalin from
1999 through 2003, according to reports sent to federal drug regulators."

Now, let's take a minute and analyze this. Twenty-five people died over
the course of 5 years. That averages to 5 deaths per year. The NYTimes
then reports that "...[a]bout 29 million prescriptions were written in
2004 for Ritalin, Adderall and similar drugs to treat attention deficit
disorder and hyperactivity, most of them for children."

Assume that the average prescription rate is *only* 25,000,000 per year.
Since these medications are Schedule II, which means that only a one
months supply can be written at a time, approximately 2,083,333 people per
month are, on average, being prescribed these medications.

Assume that all 5 deaths happened in the same month, and you wind up with
a rate of 2.4000003840000614400098304015729e-6.

Compare that with the odds of being struck by lightening:


No, I don't think so.


Yes, you do not think. However, in a risk assessment, comparison is a
valuable tool to see just what degree of risk is involved.

This is a diversion, trying to justify the deaths.


Wrong. You raise a red herring. I am NOT trying to justify the deaths
simply because no one has said that there is a direct connection between
taking the medications and the deaths. What is reported is something
that someone believes is of statistical significance. My analysis
attempts to put that claim into a statistical perspective so that
intelligent people can make their own risk assessment.

http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/medical.htm

My younger son attends a special school for physically handicapped
students. In the past three years, two classmates have died for no
apparent reason, the last being in December 2005. One of the kids in my
neighborhood died from running the bases. His father is a DDS and was at
the school at the time. He is trained in using a defibrillator and could
not resuscitate his son.

I would classify this report and just this side of relatively meaningless.


Continuing...

For this statistical point to have significant clinical meaning, a study
must show that taking these medications actually increases the risk of
death. The point I made is that there are many "healthy" children who
die for no apparent reason, and to draw any conclusion from this current
report, other than more study and research is needed, is absurd.

Of course, Jan, I do not expect you to understand this as your agenda of
hating children, wanting them to have wasted lives, wanting to see sick
and dead children due to lack of vaccination, etc. will stand in your
way of reason.



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Old February 10th 06, 03:30 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,talk.politics.medicine,alt.support.attn-deficit
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vernon wrote:
"JanD" wrote in message
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This is a diversion, trying to justify the deaths.


You really do have a problem with reality.

Justify???


Jan's problem is that she is semi-illiterate and virtually totally
innumerate. She completely lacks any logical reasoning skills, and her
communication capability has not developed beyond cut'n'paste or one
sentence responses. She ran a day care center for 38 years, had Hulda
Clark's nefarious offspring in her midsts, and has the morality of a
Mengele.


 




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