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  #21  
Old August 4th 06, 03:01 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med,sci.med.immunology
Mark Probert
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Default Elimination of mercury

Peter Bowditch wrote:
"john" wrote:

wrote in message
ups.com...
john wrote:
LOL. Get the facts
http://www.crazyperson.to/IDon'tUnderstandScience.html
If by fact you mean the crazy rambling of people who don't understand
science, can't form a cogent argument, and address studies that prove
them wrong.... then yes there are lots of facts there.

Eric

LOL. Dr. Boyd Haley, Professor and Chair, Dept. of Chemistry, University of
Kentucky and one of the world's leading authorities on mercury toxicity.


That would be the Boyd Haley that told me that ethylmercury could be
considered to be the same chemical as methylmercury.


Which the study I posted now clearly refutes.

It would also be
the Boyd Haley that told me that the proportion of the molecular
weight of a compound made up by one of the elements had something to
do with transferring the properties of the element to the compound.


Which any HS chemistry book clearly refutes.

In
other words, that would be the Boyd Haley who probably knew something
about chemistry once (he did get an academic job in the area) but has
either forgotten it all or is prepared to lie.

And let's not forget that that would be the Boyd Haley who called
autism "mad child disease".


Which he never apologized for.

I think that the biological case against Thimerosal is so dramatically
overwhelming anymore that only a very foolish or a very dishonest person
with the credentials to understand this research would say that Thimerosal
wasn't most likely the cause of autism.---Interview of Dr. Boyd E. Haley by
Teri Small: http://www.whale.to/v/haley_q.html


Joe Mercola disagrees with him.


Is that good or bad?
  #22  
Old August 4th 06, 03:05 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med,sci.med.immunology
Mark Probert
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Default Elimination of mercury

Jason Johnson wrote:
In article , Mark Probert
wrote:

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...?artid=1280342

Abstract
Thimerosal is a preservative that has been used in manufacturing
vaccines since the 1930s. Reports have indicated that infants can
receive ethylmercury (in the form of thimerosal) at or above the U.S.
Environmental Protection Agency guidelines for methylmercury exposure,
depending on the exact vaccinations, schedule, and size of the infant.
In this study we compared the systemic disposition and brain
distribution of total and inorganic mercury in infant monkeys after
thimerosal exposure with those exposed to MeHg. Monkeys were exposed to
MeHg (via oral gavage) or vaccines containing thimerosal (via
intramuscular injection) at birth and 1, 2, and 3 weeks of age. Total
blood Hg levels were determined 2, 4, and 7 days after each exposure.
Total and inorganic brain Hg levels were assessed 2, 4, 7, or 28 days
after the last exposure. The initial and terminal half-life of Hg in
blood after thimerosal exposure was 2.1 and 8.6 days, respectively,
which are significantly shorter than the elimination half-life of Hg
after MeHg exposure at 21.5 days. Brain concentrations of total Hg were
significantly lower by approximately 3-fold for the thimerosal-exposed
monkeys when compared with the MeHg infants, whereas the average
brain-to-blood concentration ratio was slightly higher for the
thimerosal-exposed monkeys (3.5 ± 0.5 vs. 2.5 ± 0.3). A higher
percentage of the total Hg in the brain was in the form of inorganic Hg
for the thimerosal-exposed monkeys (34% vs. 7%). The results indicate
that MeHg is not a suitable reference for risk assessment from exposure
to thimerosal-derived Hg. Knowledge of the toxicokinetics and
developmental toxicity of thimerosal is needed to afford a meaningful
assessment of the developmental effects of thimerosal-containing vaccines.

--------------------

Clearly, the claim by the Mercury Militia that it accumulates after each
vaccination is not supported by this research. Ethyl Mercury, the
byproduct of thimerosal metabolism is eliminated rapidly, and is gone
before the next vaccination.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

How was this study funded?


Is that the best you can do? Whine about funding. Obviously, you did not
bother to even attempt to read it. You answer is at the link I posted.
Do your own homework. Read the study and try to find fault with
methodology, etc.
  #23  
Old August 4th 06, 03:07 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med,sci.med.immunology
Mark Probert
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Default Elimination of mercury

JohnDoe wrote:
Jason Johnson wrote:
In article , Mark Probert
wrote:

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...?artid=1280342

Abstract
Thimerosal is a preservative that has been used in manufacturing
vaccines since the 1930s. Reports have indicated that infants can
receive ethylmercury (in the form of thimerosal) at or above the U.S.
Environmental Protection Agency guidelines for methylmercury
exposure, depending on the exact vaccinations, schedule, and size of
the infant. In this study we compared the systemic disposition and
brain distribution of total and inorganic mercury in infant monkeys
after thimerosal exposure with those exposed to MeHg. Monkeys were
exposed to MeHg (via oral gavage) or vaccines containing thimerosal
(via intramuscular injection) at birth and 1, 2, and 3 weeks of age.
Total blood Hg levels were determined 2, 4, and 7 days after each
exposure. Total and inorganic brain Hg levels were assessed 2, 4, 7,
or 28 days after the last exposure. The initial and terminal
half-life of Hg in blood after thimerosal exposure was 2.1 and 8.6
days, respectively, which are significantly shorter than the
elimination half-life of Hg after MeHg exposure at 21.5 days. Brain
concentrations of total Hg were significantly lower by approximately
3-fold for the thimerosal-exposed monkeys when compared with the MeHg
infants, whereas the average brain-to-blood concentration ratio was
slightly higher for the thimerosal-exposed monkeys (3.5 ± 0.5 vs. 2.5
± 0.3). A higher percentage of the total Hg in the brain was in the
form of inorganic Hg for the thimerosal-exposed monkeys (34% vs. 7%).
The results indicate that MeHg is not a suitable reference for risk
assessment from exposure to thimerosal-derived Hg. Knowledge of the
toxicokinetics and developmental toxicity of thimerosal is needed to
afford a meaningful assessment of the developmental effects of
thimerosal-containing vaccines.

--------------------

Clearly, the claim by the Mercury Militia that it accumulates after
each vaccination is not supported by this research. Ethyl Mercury,
the byproduct of thimerosal metabolism is eliminated rapidly, and is
gone before the next vaccination.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

How was this study funded?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


With money?


Jason really wants to know if he can trash the study as being funded by
BigPharma. He did not bother to read the full study which answers the
question he meant to ask: Who funded it?


  #24  
Old August 4th 06, 03:11 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med,sci.med.immunology
vernon
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Default Elimination of mercury


"Mark Probert" wrote in message
news
john wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
john wrote:
LOL. Get the facts
http://www.crazyperson.to/IDon'tUnderstandScience.html
If by fact you mean the crazy rambling of people who don't understand
science, can't form a cogent argument, and address studies that prove
them wrong.... then yes there are lots of facts there.

Eric


LOL. Dr. Boyd Haley, Professor and Chair, Dept. of Chemistry, University
of Kentucky and one of the world's leading authorities on mercury
toxicity.

I think that the biological case against Thimerosal is so dramatically
overwhelming anymore that only a very foolish or a very dishonest person
with the credentials to understand this research would say that
Thimerosal wasn't most likely the cause of autism.---Interview of Dr.
Boyd E. Haley by Teri Small: http://www.whale.to/v/haley_q.html


It is truly sad when a person of Haley's education and experience tries to
support his theories by claiming that the fact that the one mercury atom
in thimerosal comprising 49% of the molecular weight actually has some
form of meaning.

Further, Haley was recently toss on his tushy by a district court judge
who found that his opinions do not meet the Daubert standard.



While we are considering that level of mercury, we must consider that much
more than that is released every time a single fluorescent bulb is replaced
in a room. Everyone should rush to their office manager and complain.


  #25  
Old August 4th 06, 03:35 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med,sci.med.immunology
Max C.
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Default Elimination of mercury

Mark Probert wrote:
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...?artid=1280342

Abstract
Thimerosal is a preservative that has been used in manufacturing
vaccines since the 1930s. Reports have indicated that infants can
receive ethylmercury (in the form of thimerosal) at or above the U.S.
Environmental Protection Agency guidelines for methylmercury exposure,
depending on the exact vaccinations, schedule, and size of the infant.
In this study we compared the systemic disposition and brain
distribution of total and inorganic mercury in infant monkeys after
thimerosal exposure with those exposed to MeHg. Monkeys were exposed to
MeHg (via oral gavage) or vaccines containing thimerosal (via
intramuscular injection) at birth and 1, 2, and 3 weeks of age. Total
blood Hg levels were determined 2, 4, and 7 days after each exposure.
Total and inorganic brain Hg levels were assessed 2, 4, 7, or 28 days
after the last exposure. The initial and terminal half-life of Hg in
blood after thimerosal exposure was 2.1 and 8.6 days, respectively,
which are significantly shorter than the elimination half-life of Hg
after MeHg exposure at 21.5 days. Brain concentrations of total Hg were
significantly lower by approximately 3-fold for the thimerosal-exposed
monkeys when compared with the MeHg infants, whereas the average
brain-to-blood concentration ratio was slightly higher for the
thimerosal-exposed monkeys (3.5 ± 0.5 vs. 2.5 ± 0.3). A higher
percentage of the total Hg in the brain was in the form of inorganic Hg
for the thimerosal-exposed monkeys (34% vs. 7%). The results indicate
that MeHg is not a suitable reference for risk assessment from exposure
to thimerosal-derived Hg. Knowledge of the toxicokinetics and
developmental toxicity of thimerosal is needed to afford a meaningful
assessment of the developmental effects of thimerosal-containing vaccines.


It gives me a sense of stability to know that I can go away for a few
months and come back to the same old junk that was being posted when I
left. It's unclear to me how the pro-vaccine group could use this
information to their advantage. Here's what I see when I read the
above info.

Brain concentrations of total Hg were
significantly lower by approximately 3-fold for the thimerosal-exposed
monkeys when compared with the MeHg infants, whereas the average
brain-to-blood concentration ratio was slightly higher for the
thimerosal-exposed monkeys (3.5 ± 0.5 vs. 2.5 ± 0.3).


OK, so they were lower. How would those infants otherwise be exposed
to MeHg in the real world? The point is that this comparison is
ridiculous. The fact that brain concentrations were lower in the
thimerosal group means nothing. They're STILL HIGHER if you compare
them to a group that received no mercury at all. Why in the world
would this stuy compare a thimerosal group with a MeHg group when their
shouldn't be any MeHg groups in the real world? Shouldn't the point of
the study be to compare real world scenarios?

A higher
percentage of the total Hg in the brain was in the form of inorganic Hg
for the thimerosal-exposed monkeys (34% vs. 7%).


hhhmmmm... there's that mercury in the brain again. Funny how that
paragraph mentions the half life of mercury in the blood but neglects
to mention it in the brain. Could that be because the brain has a much
harder time getting rid of the mercury than the blood? Also, shouldn't
the fact that the mercury in the brains of the thimerosal group was
mostly inorganic be a concern? I thought you pro-vaccine guys were
constantly saying that the end Hg product from thimerosal was all
organic.

The results indicate
that MeHg is not a suitable reference for risk assessment from exposure
to thimerosal-derived Hg. Knowledge of the toxicokinetics and
developmental toxicity of thimerosal is needed to afford a meaningful
assessment of the developmental effects of thimerosal-containing vaccines.


So, basically, this last piece is saying exactly what it *should*
say... this study is meaningless, since more study is needed for "a
meaningful assessment." Leave it to the pro-vaccine side to disagree
with that and try to use it to prove some sort of point.

You should pick apart your studies a little better before posting them.

Max.

  #26  
Old August 4th 06, 04:45 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med,sci.med.immunology
Jason Johnson
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Default Elimination of mercury

In article , Mark Probert
wrote:

Jason Johnson wrote:
In article , Mark Probert
wrote:

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...?artid=1280342

Abstract
Thimerosal is a preservative that has been used in manufacturing
vaccines since the 1930s. Reports have indicated that infants can
receive ethylmercury (in the form of thimerosal) at or above the U.S.
Environmental Protection Agency guidelines for methylmercury exposure,
depending on the exact vaccinations, schedule, and size of the infant.
In this study we compared the systemic disposition and brain
distribution of total and inorganic mercury in infant monkeys after
thimerosal exposure with those exposed to MeHg. Monkeys were exposed to
MeHg (via oral gavage) or vaccines containing thimerosal (via
intramuscular injection) at birth and 1, 2, and 3 weeks of age. Total
blood Hg levels were determined 2, 4, and 7 days after each exposure.
Total and inorganic brain Hg levels were assessed 2, 4, 7, or 28 days
after the last exposure. The initial and terminal half-life of Hg in
blood after thimerosal exposure was 2.1 and 8.6 days, respectively,
which are significantly shorter than the elimination half-life of Hg
after MeHg exposure at 21.5 days. Brain concentrations of total Hg were
significantly lower by approximately 3-fold for the thimerosal-exposed
monkeys when compared with the MeHg infants, whereas the average
brain-to-blood concentration ratio was slightly higher for the
thimerosal-exposed monkeys (3.5 ± 0.5 vs. 2.5 ± 0.3). A higher
percentage of the total Hg in the brain was in the form of inorganic Hg
for the thimerosal-exposed monkeys (34% vs. 7%). The results indicate
that MeHg is not a suitable reference for risk assessment from exposure
to thimerosal-derived Hg. Knowledge of the toxicokinetics and
developmental toxicity of thimerosal is needed to afford a meaningful
assessment of the developmental effects of thimerosal-containing vaccines.

--------------------

Clearly, the claim by the Mercury Militia that it accumulates after each
vaccination is not supported by this research. Ethyl Mercury, the
byproduct of thimerosal metabolism is eliminated rapidly, and is gone
before the next vaccination.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

How was this study funded?


Is that the best you can do? Whine about funding. Obviously, you did not
bother to even attempt to read it. You answer is at the link I posted.
Do your own homework. Read the study and try to find fault with
methodology, etc.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mark,
I read the study that is posted above and have read other research studies
that have had similar conclusions. I have also read other research studies
that have had different conclusions.
Jason

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  #27  
Old August 4th 06, 09:30 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med,sci.med.immunology
vernon
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"Jason Johnson" wrote in message
...
In article , Mark Probert
wrote:

Jason Johnson wrote:
In article , Mark Probert
wrote:

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...?artid=1280342


How was this study funded?


Is that the best you can do? Whine about funding. Obviously, you did not
bother to even attempt to read it. You answer is at the link I posted.
Do your own homework. Read the study and try to find fault with
methodology, etc.


Funding is more than 50% of the results.


  #28  
Old August 4th 06, 09:37 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med,sci.med.immunology
Mark Probert
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Default Elimination of mercury

Jason Johnson wrote:
In article , Mark Probert
wrote:

Jason Johnson wrote:
In article , Mark Probert
wrote:

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...?artid=1280342

Abstract
Thimerosal is a preservative that has been used in manufacturing
vaccines since the 1930s. Reports have indicated that infants can
receive ethylmercury (in the form of thimerosal) at or above the U.S.
Environmental Protection Agency guidelines for methylmercury exposure,
depending on the exact vaccinations, schedule, and size of the infant.
In this study we compared the systemic disposition and brain
distribution of total and inorganic mercury in infant monkeys after
thimerosal exposure with those exposed to MeHg. Monkeys were exposed to
MeHg (via oral gavage) or vaccines containing thimerosal (via
intramuscular injection) at birth and 1, 2, and 3 weeks of age. Total
blood Hg levels were determined 2, 4, and 7 days after each exposure.
Total and inorganic brain Hg levels were assessed 2, 4, 7, or 28 days
after the last exposure. The initial and terminal half-life of Hg in
blood after thimerosal exposure was 2.1 and 8.6 days, respectively,
which are significantly shorter than the elimination half-life of Hg
after MeHg exposure at 21.5 days. Brain concentrations of total Hg were
significantly lower by approximately 3-fold for the thimerosal-exposed
monkeys when compared with the MeHg infants, whereas the average
brain-to-blood concentration ratio was slightly higher for the
thimerosal-exposed monkeys (3.5 ± 0.5 vs. 2.5 ± 0.3). A higher
percentage of the total Hg in the brain was in the form of inorganic Hg
for the thimerosal-exposed monkeys (34% vs. 7%). The results indicate
that MeHg is not a suitable reference for risk assessment from exposure
to thimerosal-derived Hg. Knowledge of the toxicokinetics and
developmental toxicity of thimerosal is needed to afford a meaningful
assessment of the developmental effects of thimerosal-containing vaccines.

--------------------

Clearly, the claim by the Mercury Militia that it accumulates after each
vaccination is not supported by this research. Ethyl Mercury, the
byproduct of thimerosal metabolism is eliminated rapidly, and is gone
before the next vaccination.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

How was this study funded?


Is that the best you can do? Whine about funding. Obviously, you did not
bother to even attempt to read it. You answer is at the link I posted.
Do your own homework. Read the study and try to find fault with
methodology, etc.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Mark,
I read the study that is posted above and have read other research studies
that have had similar conclusions. I have also read other research studies
that have had different conclusions.


I posted the link since the entire study is available.

Now, specify what other *studies*, with references, have different
findings? I cannot find fault with this studies methodology.

Chemistry does not change.
  #29  
Old August 4th 06, 09:37 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med,sci.med.immunology
Mark Probert
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Vernon wrote:
"Jason Johnson" wrote in message
...
In article , Mark Probert
wrote:

Jason Johnson wrote:
In article , Mark Probert
wrote:

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...?artid=1280342


How was this study funded?

Is that the best you can do? Whine about funding. Obviously, you did not
bother to even attempt to read it. You answer is at the link I posted.
Do your own homework. Read the study and try to find fault with
methodology, etc.


Funding is more than 50% of the results.


Nope. In alt med, pricing is 100% of the results.


  #30  
Old August 4th 06, 09:53 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med,sci.med.immunology
john
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"Vernon" there@atthere wrote in message

While we are considering that level of mercury, we must consider that much
more than that is released every time a single fluorescent bulb is
replaced in a room. Everyone should rush to their office manager and
complain.



Lets see the reserach to back that up


 




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