Wedding ahhaha not mine, just to clarify.

"P. Fritz" wrote in message
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I found myself feeling similar not just at weddings, but amusement
parks,
and other outings where there were lots of 'intact' families

Yeah no kidding. I got choked up when all my uncles took my sons across the
street to teach them to ride their bikes. They've been petrified to do it,
well still are but we're working on at least TRYING. Anyways, I was so
upset to see all the men in the family rally together to teach them. Man
it's been a rough year for me and having no man around, I don't know why it
makes me so sad lately. Bleh

Christine

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"P. Fritz" wrote in message

I found myself feeling similar not just at weddings, but amusement
parks,
and other outings where there were lots of 'intact' families

Freddie and I find "intact" families a great source of amusement.
All the overweight ones are Dursley's and the children are Dudley's.
We make faces at the children that are playing up their parents, just to
create a diversion. Usually this works and the parent thinks they have got
the child to be quiet themselves. Occasionally it backfires and the child
scream even more!
We chuckle to each other when stressed parents have lost control of their
children.
We find that the loudest children also have the parents that scream and
shout at them.
We have noticed that many parents leave the control of the younger
children
to their older siblings and basically ignore the lot of them or, worse
still, shout at the older children for not keeping the young ones quiet.

I am content and at ease with my "family", intact or otherwise.

Dennis


Hmmm well lately I have been all of those things due to stress and whatnot,
and maybe I've been thinking if I had one more person it would lessen my
task... but you're right, even 2 parent families have issues.

Christine

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:17:08 +0100, "denanson" Dennis@Large .ie
wrote:


"P. Fritz" wrote in message

I found myself feeling similar not just at weddings, but amusement
parks,
and other outings where there were lots of 'intact' families

Freddie and I find "intact" families a great source of amusement.
All the overweight ones are Dursley's and the children are Dudley's.
We make faces at the children that are playing up their parents, just to
create a diversion. Usually this works and the parent thinks they have got
the child to be quiet themselves. Occasionally it backfires and the child
scream even more!
We chuckle to each other when stressed parents have lost control of their
children.

That's really mean-spirited.

lm

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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:17:08 +0100, "denanson" Dennis@Large .ie
wrote:


"P. Fritz" wrote in message

I found myself feeling similar not just at weddings, but amusement
parks,
and other outings where there were lots of 'intact' families

Freddie and I find "intact" families a great source of amusement.
All the overweight ones are Dursley's and the children are Dudley's.
We make faces at the children that are playing up their parents, just to
create a diversion. Usually this works and the parent thinks they have
got
the child to be quiet themselves. Occasionally it backfires and the child
scream even more!
We chuckle to each other when stressed parents have lost control of their
children.

That's really mean-spirited.

lm

Yeah I kinda thought that too tbh. Poking fun at others people's problems
isn't very nice.

Christine

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"lm" wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:17:08 +0100, "denanson" Dennis@Large .ie
wrote:


"P. Fritz" wrote in message

I found myself feeling similar not just at weddings, but
amusement
parks,
and other outings where there were lots of 'intact' families

Freddie and I find "intact" families a great source of amusement.
All the overweight ones are Dursley's and the children are Dudley's.
We make faces at the children that are playing up their parents, just
to
create a diversion. Usually this works and the parent thinks they
have
got
the child to be quiet themselves. Occasionally it backfires and the
child
scream even more!
We chuckle to each other when stressed parents have lost control of
their
children.

That's really mean-spirited.

lm

Yeah I kinda thought that too tbh. Poking fun at others people's
problems
isn't very nice.

Christine

It is not a good lesson for kids either. WRT to intact families......it
is obvious that kids do better in them, they learn from the interaction of
adults, and adults need and do better with adult companionship........that
fact that my daughter has missed out on 'that' part of learning is
depressing to me.

"'Kate" wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:33:38 -0400, "P. Fritz"
wrote:


It is not a good lesson for kids either. WRT to intact
families......it
is obvious that kids do better in them, they learn from the interaction
of
adults, and adults need and do better with adult
companionship........that
fact that my daughter has missed out on 'that' part of learning is
depressing to me.

I wonder if the lessons we leared watching our parents (if they stayed
married) were the best lessons. Maybe not knowing, and being open to
finding out what makes a good marriage, is better than having an
example that just looks right but in which neither partner is truely
happy?

'Kate


I wouldn't know......my parents were married 52 years when my dad died, and
the first thing my mom said, when realixing he has dead was......."What am I
going to do....he was my whole life"

"'Kate" wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:56:22 -0400, "P.Fritz"
wrote:


"'Kate" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:33:38 -0400, "P. Fritz"
wrote:


It is not a good lesson for kids either. WRT to intact
families......it
is obvious that kids do better in them, they learn from the
interaction
of
adults, and adults need and do better with adult
companionship........that
fact that my daughter has missed out on 'that' part of learning is
depressing to me.

I wonder if the lessons we leared watching our parents (if they stayed
married) were the best lessons. Maybe not knowing, and being open to
finding out what makes a good marriage, is better than having an
example that just looks right but in which neither partner is truely
happy?

'Kate


I wouldn't know......my parents were married 52 years when my dad died,
and
the first thing my mom said, when realixing he has dead was......."What
am I
going to do....he was my whole life"

Indeed. Can you imagine being someone's whole life? I feel like that
would be a tremendous weight to shoulder even if one is perfectly
willing to fill that role.

I found that to be a positive thing between two happily married people. I
suppose these days people aren't as prone to make another such a big part of
their lives.


Which brings me to another question....or series of questions (who
knows?)

What is a good marriage? Is there such a thing as being too
dependent? How much of ones' self is individually defined?

'Kate


It is all based on the self. You may not be happy being dependent on another
in to many ways while another female might just LOVE it! I don't think there
is a specific way to gauge happiness. I think only you or I or him or her
can say what makes them happy. We are all different.

T

"'Kate" wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:56:22 -0400, "P.Fritz"
wrote:


"'Kate" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:33:38 -0400, "P. Fritz"
wrote:


It is not a good lesson for kids either. WRT to intact
families......it
is obvious that kids do better in them, they learn from the
interaction
of
adults, and adults need and do better with adult
companionship........that
fact that my daughter has missed out on 'that' part of learning is
depressing to me.

I wonder if the lessons we leared watching our parents (if they stayed
married) were the best lessons. Maybe not knowing, and being open to
finding out what makes a good marriage, is better than having an
example that just looks right but in which neither partner is truely
happy?

'Kate


I wouldn't know......my parents were married 52 years when my dad died,
and
the first thing my mom said, when realixing he has dead was......."What
am I
going to do....he was my whole life"

Indeed. Can you imagine being someone's whole life?

I can only wish that someone would feel that way about me.

I feel like that
would be a tremendous weight to shoulder even if one is perfectly
willing to fill that role.

But they were BOTH filling that role.


Which brings me to another question....or series of questions (who
knows?)

What is a good marriage? Is there such a thing as being too
dependent? How much of ones' self is individually defined?

It wasn't a matter of dependence, if anything , my dad was dependent on her
in his waining years......it was a matter of commitment.



'Kate

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:56:22 -0400, "P.Fritz"
wrote:


"'Kate" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:33:38 -0400, "P. Fritz"
wrote:


It is not a good lesson for kids either. WRT to intact
families......it
is obvious that kids do better in them, they learn from the interaction
of
adults, and adults need and do better with adult
companionship........that
fact that my daughter has missed out on 'that' part of learning is
depressing to me.

I wonder if the lessons we leared watching our parents (if they stayed
married) were the best lessons. Maybe not knowing, and being open to
finding out what makes a good marriage, is better than having an
example that just looks right but in which neither partner is truely
happy?

'Kate


I wouldn't know......my parents were married 52 years when my dad died, and
the first thing my mom said, when realixing he has dead was......."What am I
going to do....he was my whole life"

That's very sweet.

lm

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"'Kate" wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:56:22 -0400, "P.Fritz"
wrote:


"'Kate" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:33:38 -0400, "P. Fritz"
wrote:


It is not a good lesson for kids either. WRT to intact
families......it
is obvious that kids do better in them, they learn from the
interaction
of
adults, and adults need and do better with adult
companionship........that
fact that my daughter has missed out on 'that' part of learning is
depressing to me.

I wonder if the lessons we leared watching our parents (if they
stayed
married) were the best lessons. Maybe not knowing, and being open to
finding out what makes a good marriage, is better than having an
example that just looks right but in which neither partner is truely
happy?

'Kate


I wouldn't know......my parents were married 52 years when my dad died,
and
the first thing my mom said, when realixing he has dead was......."What
am I
going to do....he was my whole life"

Indeed. Can you imagine being someone's whole life? I feel like that
would be a tremendous weight to shoulder even if one is perfectly
willing to fill that role.

I found that to be a positive thing between two happily married people. I
suppose these days people aren't as prone to make another such a big part
of
their lives.


Which brings me to another question....or series of questions (who
knows?)

What is a good marriage? Is there such a thing as being too
dependent? How much of ones' self is individually defined?

'Kate


It is all based on the self. You may not be happy being dependent on
another
in to many ways while another female might just LOVE it! I don't think
there
is a specific way to gauge happiness. I think only you or I or him or her
can say what makes them happy. We are all different.

T



My parents were each other's best friend. It was not uncommon to see them
holding hands while walking along. Yes, dad was completely lost after Mom
died. A good marriage is the most important part of a good life. I will be
the first to admit that I have not been married before because there truly
hasn't been anyone that could share that I could share the same calibre of
relationship.......until now that is.

Lisa