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Ok, so I'm learning to deal with the shorter sleeps Will is having. He
goes to sleep really easily, it's just a matter of keeping him asleep. That's not the weird bit.... Today when he was getting close to his sleep time, he was getting *really* wired... almost manic. Giggling, squealing, screetching, etc. He reminded me of the loopy Mugwai in "Gremlins". I didn't know if he was just practicing this new sound he's worked out how to do, or what. He eventually got to sleep, but giggled at me with the dummy in his mouth every time I "sshhh'd" him. I had to leave, as I didn't want to encourage it. He grunted his way to sleep. This evening though, after acting all manic again, he SCREAMED when I put him down for his sleep. I tried to settle him in the cot, but everytime I turned away, he'd SCREAM again. So I tried to settle him with a feed on my bed, but after he fed he started with the manic behaviour again. I thought it could have been something to do with the pudding I ate last night - lots of food colourings, and it was weight watchers, so probably lots of fake sugar in it, too. Elizabeth, if you're reading this, do you know what numbers I should look out for with additives? Anyway, after about 3 hours, DH suggested we try panadol. He'd already tried a shower with him, which he loved, but started getting ansty with the dressing bit, and screamed again when he put him in the cot. 10 min after the panadol, he fed again to sleep, and I was able to put him in his cot with no problems. Does this sound like 'normal' weird behaviour to anyone? Or does it sound like something caused by a food/additive allergy? Today is day 1 of my Dairy elimination diet, too - as someone suggested that as a reason for his wakefulness the last 3 weeks. Does anyone else have a manic 4.5 month old??? Thanks! Jo |
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It sounds like he was overtired to me and nothing to do with the food you
atex last night. DD3 will run around the house like a crazy lady when she is tired, but overtired and overstimulated. I would have stopped all the stuff you were trying to do and have the room dark with white noise and let him blow off some steam just like your previous article showed. It sounds to me that since he is waking more that he is not getting good sleep. -- Sue (mom to three girls) "Jo" wrote in message ... Ok, so I'm learning to deal with the shorter sleeps Will is having. He goes to sleep really easily, it's just a matter of keeping him asleep. That's not the weird bit.... Today when he was getting close to his sleep time, he was getting *really* wired... almost manic. Giggling, squealing, screetching, etc. He reminded me of the loopy Mugwai in "Gremlins". I didn't know if he was just practicing this new sound he's worked out how to do, or what. He eventually got to sleep, but giggled at me with the dummy in his mouth every time I "sshhh'd" him. I had to leave, as I didn't want to encourage it. He grunted his way to sleep. This evening though, after acting all manic again, he SCREAMED when I put him down for his sleep. I tried to settle him in the cot, but everytime I turned away, he'd SCREAM again. So I tried to settle him with a feed on my bed, but after he fed he started with the manic behaviour again. I thought it could have been something to do with the pudding I ate last night - lots of food colourings, and it was weight watchers, so probably lots of fake sugar in it, too. Elizabeth, if you're reading this, do you know what numbers I should look out for with additives? Anyway, after about 3 hours, DH suggested we try panadol. He'd already tried a shower with him, which he loved, but started getting ansty with the dressing bit, and screamed again when he put him in the cot. 10 min after the panadol, he fed again to sleep, and I was able to put him in his cot with no problems. Does this sound like 'normal' weird behaviour to anyone? Or does it sound like something caused by a food/additive allergy? Today is day 1 of my Dairy elimination diet, too - as someone suggested that as a reason for his wakefulness the last 3 weeks. Does anyone else have a manic 4.5 month old??? Thanks! Jo |
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Jo wrote:
Does this sound like 'normal' weird behaviour to anyone? Or does it sound like something caused by a food/additive allergy? Today is day 1 of my Dairy elimination diet, too - as someone suggested that as a reason for his wakefulness the last 3 weeks. It sounds normal to me. Honestly, Hunter was just like you describe. He screamed bloody murder the second I set him down. So I never did. That child woke up every 45 minutes and did the same thing until he was nearly two years old. He wouldn't sleep alone for more then 1-2 hours until he was over two years old. That is all good and fine but how many adults can stay in bed for 12 hours that a kid needs to sleep? Not me. It gets old going in every 90 minutes to spend 30 minutes getting a toddler back to sleep. Luke was not as bad but he was far from a good sleeper. I did sleep training at 3yo to get him to stay asleep in his bed, without me, until at least midnight. I've been watching your other thread very closely. He may grow out of it in a month like some people experience but I wouldn't count on it if you continue to find ways to make sure he doesn't cry at all. I think you should think about if you want to do this for the long haul or not. It is certainly fine if you think you'd rather do this long term then have him cry. I hung in there with Hunter and mostly with Luke (he was easier) but hopefully I will be strong enough with this next baby to lay him in the crib and let him be for 15 minutes. I want to be strong enough to let him cry for 5-10 minutes at night to see if he'd go back to sleep versus nursing him at every squeak. I've no desire to put up with those kind of sleep habits again because with my kids' genetics they do not grow out of it on any kind of reasonable schedule. The older they get the *harder* it gets to make changes. When they are tiny - they just lay there until they fall asleep. When they are big they stand up, move around, totally keep themselves awake and they have a lot more stamina. They are used to certain things (like mom nursing me at every twitch and then laying in the crook of her arm all night) and have no intention of letting go of those things without a fight. I know there are mothers that have no problem (or at least deal better then I do) with kids like mine so don't take my word as the end all be all ! :-). They find it manageable and you might to. In hindsight I sacrificed to much at the alter of not wanting my babies to cry. We were all tired and strung out and it didn't do any of us any good. -- Nikki Hunter 4/99 Luke 4/01 EDD 4/06 |
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well when it has just happened once I wouldn't say it was a behaviour, more
a blip, we've had the odd episode where things have been completley unexpected, you just live through it, try all the tricks in the book and chances are it never happens again. Anne |
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"Jo" wrote in message ... Ok, so I'm learning to deal with the shorter sleeps Will is having. He goes to sleep really easily, it's just a matter of keeping him asleep. That's not the weird bit.... Today when he was getting close to his sleep time, he was getting *really* wired... almost manic. Giggling, squealing, screetching, etc. He reminded me of the loopy Mugwai in "Gremlins". I didn't know if he was just practicing this new sound he's worked out how to do, or what. He eventually got to sleep, but giggled at me with the dummy in his mouth every time I "sshhh'd" him. I had to leave, as I didn't want to encourage it. He grunted his way to sleep. This evening though, after acting all manic again, he SCREAMED when I put him down for his sleep. I tried to settle him in the cot, but everytime I turned away, he'd SCREAM again. So I tried to settle him with a feed on my bed, but after he fed he started with the manic behaviour again. I thought it could have been something to do with the pudding I ate last night - lots of food colourings, and it was weight watchers, so probably lots of fake sugar in it, too. Elizabeth, if you're reading this, do you know what numbers I should look out for with additives? Anyway, after about 3 hours, DH suggested we try panadol. He'd already tried a shower with him, which he loved, but started getting ansty with the dressing bit, and screamed again when he put him in the cot. 10 min after the panadol, he fed again to sleep, and I was able to put him in his cot with no problems. Does this sound like 'normal' weird behaviour to anyone? Or does it sound like something caused by a food/additive allergy? Today is day 1 of my Dairy elimination diet, too - as someone suggested that as a reason for his wakefulness the last 3 weeks. Does anyone else have a manic 4.5 month old??? Thanks! Jo Going on what you wrote, I doubt it's a behavioral issue or a food allergy. Maybe he simply needs help with adjusting his bedtime. He might be overtired or overstimulated, and you could try adjusting his sleeping times before he starts to "act up." His bedtime may need to be earlier by an hour, for example. Or stop roughhousing and have a quiet time before it's time to sleep. Try and keep his current routine consistent if possible. Wakefulness might be due to teething or a major milestone such as rolling, crawling, etc. This is normal behavior for an infant. Here is some reading on infants' sleep patterns. http://www.kellymom.com/parenting/sl...epstudies.html http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract Marie DD-20 mo |
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"Sue" wrote in message ... It sounds like he was overtired to me and nothing to do with the food you atex last night. DD3 will run around the house like a crazy lady when she is tired, but overtired and overstimulated. I would have stopped all the stuff you were trying to do and have the room dark with white noise and let him blow off some steam just like your previous article showed. It sounds to me that since he is waking more that he is not getting good sleep. I agree with Sue that he sounds totally overtired and I too think it most likely had nothing to do with what you ate. Especially since this is a one time thing. Try starting to put him down earlier, just before he starts showing signs of tiredness. JennP. |
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hopefully I will be strong enough with this next baby to lay him in the
crib and let him be for 15 minutes. I want to be strong enough to let him cry the way I do this, is to set a timer for 15 minutes, then get busy, put a load of washing on, pick things up, that kind of thing, it's not going to be relaxing, so you might as well use the time! Thankfully I've only had to do this once with Ada, at one point with Nathanael it was almost daily :-(. Anne |
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I'm top posting here sorry...I agree with everything Nikki said; I did that
with DS1; he slept with us at least part of the night until 1 year, and I had very little in the way of time to myself. In the end I put my foot down with him, but he would scream every bed time until he was nearly two. Now he is very good, and I never had any of those problems with DS1 as I sleep trained him from the beginning. It doesn't hurt babies to cry, I practised 'controlled comforting' with both, and i still do it with DS2 so if he wakes I will go in, give him a cuddle then put him back down. Now he is older I am using verbal cues with him if I feel he is just crying for attention. I will loudly and firmly say his name, then say 'Bed time. Good night" I don't yell, but use a veryfirm voice, and repeat several times. The trick is to use a very no-nonsense tone of voice, this cuts through the tired crying, and he usually settles straight away. I use other 'sleep cues' such as a drink of water or covering with a sheet. If you pick them up every time they cry they are training you, not the other way around. of course if the baby is really distressed, pick him up and settle him, but if you feel he is just crying for attention, patting him on the back might work instead. And for the record, DS1 and 2 both exhibit extremely strange behaviour when very overtired; Ds1 especially seeems to 'speed up' and does everything very fast and very silly. The advice given by everyone else definitely works; if they get tired and overemotional, just put them to bed and ignore the screams. -- There are many intelligent species in the Universe. They are all owned by cats. Anonymous One cat just leads to another. -Ernest Hemingway "Nikki" wrote in message ... Jo wrote: Does this sound like 'normal' weird behaviour to anyone? Or does it sound like something caused by a food/additive allergy? Today is day 1 of my Dairy elimination diet, too - as someone suggested that as a reason for his wakefulness the last 3 weeks. It sounds normal to me. Honestly, Hunter was just like you describe. He screamed bloody murder the second I set him down. So I never did. That child woke up every 45 minutes and did the same thing until he was nearly two years old. He wouldn't sleep alone for more then 1-2 hours until he was over two years old. That is all good and fine but how many adults can stay in bed for 12 hours that a kid needs to sleep? Not me. It gets old going in every 90 minutes to spend 30 minutes getting a toddler back to sleep. Luke was not as bad but he was far from a good sleeper. I did sleep training at 3yo to get him to stay asleep in his bed, without me, until at least midnight. I've been watching your other thread very closely. He may grow out of it in a month like some people experience but I wouldn't count on it if you continue to find ways to make sure he doesn't cry at all. I think you should think about if you want to do this for the long haul or not. It is certainly fine if you think you'd rather do this long term then have him cry. I hung in there with Hunter and mostly with Luke (he was easier) but hopefully I will be strong enough with this next baby to lay him in the crib and let him be for 15 minutes. I want to be strong enough to let him cry for 5-10 minutes at night to see if he'd go back to sleep versus nursing him at every squeak. I've no desire to put up with those kind of sleep habits again because with my kids' genetics they do not grow out of it on any kind of reasonable schedule. The older they get the *harder* it gets to make changes. When they are tiny - they just lay there until they fall asleep. When they are big they stand up, move around, totally keep themselves awake and they have a lot more stamina. They are used to certain things (like mom nursing me at every twitch and then laying in the crook of her arm all night) and have no intention of letting go of those things without a fight. I know there are mothers that have no problem (or at least deal better then I do) with kids like mine so don't take my word as the end all be all ! :-). They find it manageable and you might to. In hindsight I sacrificed to much at the alter of not wanting my babies to cry. We were all tired and strung out and it didn't do any of us any good. -- Nikki Hunter 4/99 Luke 4/01 EDD 4/06 |
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Thanks for all of your replies I think I am a hypocondriac!
I am usually really good at interpreting his sleep cues. As soon as he rubs his eyes and pushes spit out of his mouth, I know I have a few min before he starts whinging a bit. If I put him to bed then, he'll go straight to sleep. What happened yesterday was, I was in the middle of walking him in the pram. He started to get whingy, and I had a block to go. I changed his nappy and put him straight to bed when I got home - that's when the fun started! I do tend more towards the AP method - I just have this gut feeling that you *should* pander to a baby's needs before they are old enough to reason with. .... this *is* my first, so I'll let you know whether all that changes with #2! Jo |
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"Jo" wrote in message
I do tend more towards the AP method - I just have this gut feeling that you *should* pander to a baby's needs before they are old enough to reason with. Okay this is my goat with the AP school of thought. Your baby *needs* to sleep. You are meeting his *need* by helping him to get himself to sleep and before he gets too overstimulated. Crying is not a bad thing, sometimes it is okay for them to cry, not a distressed cry and hence the child feeling abandoned, but if the child cries to let off some steam and you let him do it, you are meeting his need. This thought of never letting a baby cry is crazy. That's what babies do to let you know they need you. If you meet his need to get himself organized to sleep, then you are meeting his need. rant off -- Sue (mom to three girls) |
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