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Old September 13th 03, 02:04 AM
Fern5827
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http://cphpost.sites.itera.dk/default.asp?id=34392

May be worth a look.

It is possible the RATE is higher. Possibly higher than the rest of the EU.
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Old September 13th 03, 07:18 PM
Kane
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(Fern5827) wrote in message ...
http://cphpost.sites.itera.dk/default.asp?id=34392

May be worth a look.


might be, might not.


It is possible the RATE is higher. Possibly higher than the rest of the EU.



And the relevance to this of a no spank law in Sweden would be?

If you do even a casual inquiry you'll find that all the countries
that have a far lower incidence of crime in the EU also have NO SPANK
laws, so neither causation or correlation would apply. In fact it
would tend to strengthen the correlation to lower crime rates in those
countries that more vigorously pursue no spank alternatives and
enforcement of the pertaining law.

In other words, there is a high likelihood there is some other factor
than spanking or not ( in fact I think it was YOU folks from the
pro-spank nitwit crowd that claimed Swedish citizens are spanking
their children despite the law ) that is causing a reporting of a
higher crime rate.

It could even be the reporting and data collection methods variations
between countries, and what is and isn't considered criminal behavior.

Such silliness, but then that's about all a Pumpkin can come up with.

It's miracle that a Plant can cut and paste anyway, so we celebrate
that you can do something at all but sit there and wait to be made
into a JackOLantern and pies....R R R R

bingo bango bongo.

Stoneman
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Old September 14th 03, 06:15 PM
Fern5827
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You ACTUALLY HAVE TO READ THE ARTICLE, Kane, Blowhard.

Didja flunk reading comprehension?

Kane embarasses himself again. Nope, he doesn't know that emotion....only
hostility and anger:

He needs Anger management.


Subject: Murder Swedish style & crime higher than you think
From: (Kane)
Date: 9/13/2003 2:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

(Fern5827) wrote in message
...
http://cphpost.sites.itera.dk/default.asp?id=34392

May be worth a look.


might be, might not.


It is possible the RATE is higher. Possibly higher than the rest of the

EU.


And the relevance to this of a no spank law in Sweden would be?

If you do even a casual inquiry you'll find that all the countries
that have a far lower incidence of crime in the EU also have NO SPANK
laws, so neither causation or correlation would apply. In fact it
would tend to strengthen the correlation to lower crime rates in those
countries that more vigorously pursue no spank alternatives and
enforcement of the pertaining law.

In other words, there is a high likelihood there is some other factor
than spanking or not ( in fact I think it was YOU folks from the
pro-spank nitwit crowd that claimed Swedish citizens are spanking
their children despite the law ) that is causing a reporting of a
higher crime rate.

It could even be the reporting and data collection methods variations
between countries, and what is and isn't considered criminal behavior.

Such silliness, but then that's about all a Pumpkin can come up with.

It's miracle that a Plant can cut and paste anyway, so we celebrate
that you can do something at all but sit there and wait to be made
into a JackOLantern and pies....R R R R

bingo bango bongo.

Stoneman








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Old September 14th 03, 08:21 PM
Kane
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Default Murder Swedish style & crime higher than you think

On 14 Sep 2003 17:15:45 GMT, (Fern5827) wrote:

You ACTUALLY HAVE TO READ THE ARTICLE,


Yep, I did. Why didn't you? And you the poster.

Kane,


You called?

Blowhard.


Tsk tsk. To be called a name by a Plant. How embarrassing.

Didja flunk reading comprehension?


Math was my challenge, but in college I aced it, thanks to a really
good tutor...I married her...r r r r

I aced "reading comprehension" with no help at all. r r r r

Kane embarasses himself again.


Yes. I actually converse in USENET with a mindless Plant as though it
was human.

Oh, the humiliation.

Nope, he doesn't know that emotion....


I don't get it. You accuse me of embarrassment, then claim I am not.

I think you are fishing.

What a scoop!

I think I'll call Montel's people and give it to them, "Plant Fishes."
or the "Fishing Plant of USENET."

Damn! I ought to be in public relations. Need a PR guy, Cucumber?

only
hostility and anger:


Oh dear. Are Plants unable to recognize other emotions then those?

I think you missed my "hilarity." LMAO.....

You certainly seem to have that particular limitation. In fact your
own range of emotions seem highly limited. Mostly you project malice.

He needs Anger management.


Clue: I direct my "Anger" quite carefully.

Thus I manage it very well, indeed.

And you seem to notice very handily?

Aren't we a team though? R R R R R

And of course, now that you have engaged me on issues concerning your
assessment of me psychologically we, I and any readers, are supposed
to not notice that you didn't respond to even one of my points that
show you are full of ****?

Oh well, had you it might have upset my whole day, what with your
breaking with Pumpkin tradition and your usual routine.

r r r r

bingo bango bongo.

Stoneman.



Subject: Murder Swedish style & crime higher than you think
From:
(Kane)
Date: 9/13/2003 2:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

(Fern5827) wrote in message
...
http://cphpost.sites.itera.dk/default.asp?id=34392

May be worth a look.


might be, might not.


It is possible the RATE is higher. Possibly higher than the rest

of the
EU.


And the relevance to this of a no spank law in Sweden would be?

If you do even a casual inquiry you'll find that all the countries
that have a far lower incidence of crime in the EU also have NO

SPANK
laws, so neither causation or correlation would apply. In fact it
would tend to strengthen the correlation to lower crime rates in

those
countries that more vigorously pursue no spank alternatives and
enforcement of the pertaining law.

In other words, there is a high likelihood there is some other

factor
than spanking or not ( in fact I think it was YOU folks from the
pro-spank nitwit crowd that claimed Swedish citizens are spanking
their children despite the law ) that is causing a reporting of a
higher crime rate.

It could even be the reporting and data collection methods

variations
between countries, and what is and isn't considered criminal

behavior.

Such silliness, but then that's about all a Pumpkin can come up

with.

It's miracle that a Plant can cut and paste anyway, so we celebrate
that you can do something at all but sit there and wait to be made
into a JackOLantern and pies....R R R R

bingo bango bongo.

Stoneman

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Old September 15th 03, 04:17 PM
Greg Hanson
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Fern: I think this is just the tip of the iceberg (accidental pun)
when it comes to wonderful non spanking Scandinavia.

Are they fudging the numbers to try to put on a low crime image?
(Didn't some city in the US get found out for something like
that to enhance their "quality of life" rating to bring in
people and employers?)

Does Interpol have any motivation to lie about the stats?

That they compare their murder rate to us might be a similar
stupid comparison shoved in their faces. If the US murder rate
is the standard by which they judge their own murder rates,
maybe they need to look to a higher standard like Moscow,
Beijing or Guatamala? Or Nazi Germany?

What I'm confused about is that Social Worker types seem
(in literature) to preach the connection of an entire
constellation of other factors to crime/murder stats.

Then when it's convenient they use a place where NONE
of those factors are the same as if it was a CONTROLLED
scientific comparison.

1. Scandinavians PEOPLE are NOT American PEOPLE.
2. Almost every variable does.
3. Nothing is the same.
4. Everything changes.
5. Why would any comparison be meaningful?
6. What idiot would compare Copenhagen to Detroit or Los Angeles?

Wasn't using Sweden as a model no spanking paradise stupid?

Part of this short article actually sounds like the
Danes might be a bit sick of the "non spanking" hype also!

"our laid-back, neutral, furniture-loving neighbour, where
slapping a child is a criminal offence"

http://cphpost.sites.itera.dk/default.asp?id=34392
Murder - Swedish style Copenhagen Post (Denmark) 14 September
2003
New Interpol international crime statistics revealed, rather
surprisingly, that Sweden, our laid-back, neutral, furniture-loving
neighbour, where slapping a child is a criminal offence, tops the
European crime league in murder, serious assaults and robberies, and
even surpasses the USA in violent crime. The murder rate in Sweden is
three times as high as Denmark, four times as high as Norway, and
twice as high as in the USA. In addition, Sweden has twice as many sex
crimes and robberies as this country and 25 times as many violent
assaults. A Swedish National Crime Agency criminologist dismissed the
Interpol figures as 'exaggerated.' 'They claim that there were 900
murders here in 2001, but that also included suicides which have
somehow ended up in the murder column. To say we have a higher murder
rate than the USA is ridiculous,' he said.
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Old September 16th 03, 02:33 AM
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On 15 Sep 2003 08:17:45 -0700, (Greg Hanson)
wrote:

Fern: I think this is just the tip of the iceberg (accidental pun)
when it comes to wonderful non spanking Scandinavia.


Well now, that is not quite accurate. One of the things Doan crowed
over, and I'm sure made The Plant giggle, was that parents in
Scandinavia do not have to be afraid of inforcement...the law is
writen without that feature, and they still, and this made Doan howl
with glee, spank there children rather a lot.

It very hard to reform the ignorant violent types like you, Greegor.
You are so sure of yourself and so without empathy that you don't and
can't get it until you get smashed up side the head.

I think grandpa was too old. I'll be happy to stand in for him next
time.

After a little bout of illness I'm back to curling 58 pounds, five
reps, five sets, every other day. Wanna feel my muskuls?

Are they fudging the numbers to try to put on a low crime image?


Well if they were someone caught them. eh?

But if you think they were, just post it. We'll make fun of them and
villify them right along with you.

(Didn't some city in the US get found out for something like
that to enhance their "quality of life" rating to bring in
people and employers?)


You do take strange asides, now don't you. What has this particular
byway got to do with spanking/nonspanking vis a vis crime rates?

I'll listen. You know me, patient as a Buddha, and willing to wait
years and years to nail your ass for what you did to the little girl.

I think it won't be long. She is so close to being a teen now. A
couple of years more of your lazy sitting around conning her mother
and she'll be doin' her Laura Croft practice. Little girls these days
are growing up to be anything but compliant...don'tchaknow.

I can just imagine her plans for you as she remembers the shower, the
towel boy, the hands on her tiny six year old naked shoulders being
pushed under the shower, and the coldness....ooooo,.... the
coldness....the embarrassment for wetting herself.

Yeah, I'd have a bugout bag packed if I were you, and someone watching
her.

Does Interpol have any motivation to lie about the stats?


Interpol?

They are upset about spanking and crime relationships? Hmm. I guess
I'm unfamiliar with their mandate.

That they compare their murder rate to us might be a similar
stupid comparison shoved in their faces.


Yah just got to bully someone, don't yah. "Shoved in their faces" Is
like shoved under the shower because she wet herself and had shampoo
in her hair?

If the US murder rate
is the standard by which they judge their own murder rates,
maybe they need to look to a higher standard like Moscow,
Beijing or Guatamala? Or Nazi Germany?


Nazi Germany, after the National Socialist Workers Party came to power
acted according to the law. Sadly, like some laws that protect you,
they were bad laws. Would that we weren't going in the direction of
fascism in this country even now.

They will leave laws in place that protect such as you. Sad. But true.

But your time will come. I have a hunch, if that child really gets it
what you are, she won't care about the law, only about payback.

I'll pay for her defense, promise.

What I'm confused about is that Social Worker types seem
(in literature) to preach the connection of an entire
constellation of other factors to crime/murder stats.


No they don't. Those are Social Scientists. It's their job to find
causation and correlation where they can. So they simply chart events
and incidences and make connections where they seem to fit.

From that they attempt to advise, by request, policy makers so we,
this society, might be better prepared, or at least not too surprized
when thugs like you start your numbers.

Then when it's convenient they use a place where NONE
of those factors are the same as if it was a CONTROLLED
scientific comparison.


No they don't. The government uses Social Scientist studies to make
decisions. It's considered a pretty good way to do things, rather than
guess and be so wrong, as you so often are and were.

By what means using what methods would you like Social Workers (r rr )
to make decisions about adult towelboys and little girls? You want
them to guess don't you. But in fact they have hard data, no analysis,
but hard numbers, that clearly show that the paramour (there, that
should make you feel better, Whore) of a women is the one most likely
to abuse those children.

Any man that moves into a home with a woman and her children....and
forgive mee...r r r r r r rr ........has got to study up before hand
on this subject.

Just like you kindly blamed the victim for in your post to BigBoy.

Does nothing embarrass you?

There is a condition that includes that charateristic in the DSM IV.
You should look it up.

1. Scandinavians PEOPLE are NOT American PEOPLE.


I am impressed. You are so erudite.

2. Almost every variable does.


Does what, be an American people?

3. Nothing is the same.


As anything else. We know. Even mirror images are 180 degrees out of
faze with what they are reflecting.

Are you going to bore us further with your giant intellect and powers
of deduction? Bucking for S. Holmes Prize for 2003?

That already went to a gent out in Ill-noise that heads up a parent
advocate outfit. Look him up. He'll show it to you, surely.

4. Everything changes.


Yep, even by the minute of time fragments. Atoms move, pal.

You must have known that or you would make such an obvious
statement...no wait, you'd only do that if you thought everyone ELSE
was stupid.

5. Why would any comparison be meaningful?


Yeah, pointless to compare a dry day with a wet and put on your hat.
Why in just a few seconds the rain could stop.

Look up stupid. Shut your mouth. Breath through your nose. Make some
gurggling noises when you choke to death. We need to keep track of
your progress .

6. What idiot would compare Copenhagen to Detroit or Los Angeles?


Someone idiot trying to figure out what is going on, and doing so by
NOT sitting on their dead ass moaning and whining that everyone is
against them so why work, who get married until the state returns the
child, why why why oh why am I.

Wasn't using Sweden as a model no spanking paradise stupid?


No, as I said. They have a law. There is NO enforcement part at all.
Nothing, and Sweden is known to still have parent, a lot of them, that
spank.

Part of this short article actually sounds like the
Danes might be a bit sick of the "non spanking" hype also!


Sure, you hope. Is that were your are going to bugout to when the girl
gets old enough to come for you? Think you can find a needy mother
with child there to sponge off?

By the way, what were you doing before your current "fiance" for a
place to live, and pocket change?.

"our laid-back, neutral, furniture-loving neighbour, where
slapping a child is a criminal offence"


Is it? I'm not sure. I haven't read the law. In most places it's a
civil matter under no cp laws. In Sweden, as I've noted, it is NO
crime or offense at all. The law is a plea to stop the abuse of
spanking.

Smack upside their punkin' heads would be better. In fact if this
continues the Swedes may well go to amending that law.

I think I'll write. Why don't you write and try to counter me and get
the law repealled completely. I'd love to debate you publically,
dip****.

You made a lot of stupid assumptions given the limits of this article.

Normal for you.

Kane

http://cphpost.sites.itera.dk/default.asp?id=34392
Murder - Swedish style Copenhagen Post (Denmark) 14 September
2003
New Interpol international crime statistics revealed, rather
surprisingly, that Sweden, our laid-back, neutral, furniture-loving
neighbour, where slapping a child is a criminal offence, tops the
European crime league in murder, serious assaults and robberies, and
even surpasses the USA in violent crime. The murder rate in Sweden is
three times as high as Denmark, four times as high as Norway, and
twice as high as in the USA. In addition, Sweden has twice as many

sex
crimes and robberies as this country and 25 times as many violent
assaults. A Swedish National Crime Agency criminologist dismissed the
Interpol figures as 'exaggerated.' 'They claim that there were 900
murders here in 2001, but that also included suicides which have
somehow ended up in the murder column. To say we have a higher murder
rate than the USA is ridiculous,' he said.

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Old September 17th 03, 03:28 PM
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Fern,
You better off just ignore the little Kane9. Let's him bark!
Doan

On 14 Sep 2003, Fern5827 wrote:

You ACTUALLY HAVE TO READ THE ARTICLE, Kane, Blowhard.

Didja flunk reading comprehension?

Kane embarasses himself again. Nope, he doesn't know that emotion....only
hostility and anger:

He needs Anger management.


Subject: Murder Swedish style & crime higher than you think
From: (Kane)
Date: 9/13/2003 2:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

(Fern5827) wrote in message
...
http://cphpost.sites.itera.dk/default.asp?id=34392

May be worth a look.


might be, might not.


It is possible the RATE is higher. Possibly higher than the rest of the

EU.


And the relevance to this of a no spank law in Sweden would be?

If you do even a casual inquiry you'll find that all the countries
that have a far lower incidence of crime in the EU also have NO SPANK
laws, so neither causation or correlation would apply. In fact it
would tend to strengthen the correlation to lower crime rates in those
countries that more vigorously pursue no spank alternatives and
enforcement of the pertaining law.

In other words, there is a high likelihood there is some other factor
than spanking or not ( in fact I think it was YOU folks from the
pro-spank nitwit crowd that claimed Swedish citizens are spanking
their children despite the law ) that is causing a reporting of a
higher crime rate.

It could even be the reporting and data collection methods variations
between countries, and what is and isn't considered criminal behavior.

Such silliness, but then that's about all a Pumpkin can come up with.

It's miracle that a Plant can cut and paste anyway, so we celebrate
that you can do something at all but sit there and wait to be made
into a JackOLantern and pies....R R R R

bingo bango bongo.

Stoneman










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Old September 18th 03, 04:03 AM
LaVonne Carlson
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Default Murder Swedish style & crime higher than you think

Don't see any data there, Fern. All I saw from your posted website address was
a short six line opinion. Is that your idea of factual evidence?

Sorry, I forgot that you don't read anything other than the internet, and you
gain your information from media sources only. I guess this would constitute
valid information for you.

LaVonne

Fern5827 wrote:

http://cphpost.sites.itera.dk/default.asp?id=34392

May be worth a look.

It is possible the RATE is higher. Possibly higher than the rest of the EU.


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Old September 25th 03, 11:41 AM
Greg Hanson
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Default Greg overdoses on Stupid Pills was....Murder Swedish style & crime higher than you think

So the no-spank "success stories" from Scandinavia are bogus?
The no-spank WAGs have been bluffing a long time with that?
No wonder Doan was laughing his butt off!
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Old September 25th 03, 06:02 PM
Kane
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Default Greg overdoses on Stupid Pills was....Murder Swedish style & crime higher than you think

On 25 Sep 2003 03:41:25 -0700, (Greg Hanson)
wrote:

So the no-spank "success stories" from Scandinavia are bogus?
The no-spank WAGs have been bluffing a long time with that?
No wonder Doan was laughing his butt off!


Yeah, I guess the NewZealanders, one of the more actively interested
research countries on such matter is lying, dawgonitanyways.

http://www.epochnz.org.nz/newsletter/6/sweden.shtml

The recent report of the effects of this ban is based on data from
official Swedish sources on: support for corporal punishment,
reporting of child physical assault, child abuse mortality,
prosecution rates, and interventions by social authorities. Findings
show that:

public support for corporal punishment has declined – it is now 11%

identification of children at risk has increased

child abuse mortality is rare

prosecution rates have remained steady – there has not been a greater
criminalisation of caregivers

social service interventions have become increasingly supportive and
preventive.

The author concludes that while it is likely that social policies and
demographic changes may have also contributed to the trends, she
reports it is clear that the original goals of the corporal punishment
ban have been met.
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