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Murder Swedish style & crime higher than you think
http://cphpost.sites.itera.dk/default.asp?id=34392
May be worth a look. It is possible the RATE is higher. Possibly higher than the rest of the EU. |
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Murder Swedish style & crime higher than you think
You ACTUALLY HAVE TO READ THE ARTICLE, Kane, Blowhard.
Didja flunk reading comprehension? Kane embarasses himself again. Nope, he doesn't know that emotion....only hostility and anger: He needs Anger management. Subject: Murder Swedish style & crime higher than you think From: (Kane) Date: 9/13/2003 2:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: (Fern5827) wrote in message ... http://cphpost.sites.itera.dk/default.asp?id=34392 May be worth a look. might be, might not. It is possible the RATE is higher. Possibly higher than the rest of the EU. And the relevance to this of a no spank law in Sweden would be? If you do even a casual inquiry you'll find that all the countries that have a far lower incidence of crime in the EU also have NO SPANK laws, so neither causation or correlation would apply. In fact it would tend to strengthen the correlation to lower crime rates in those countries that more vigorously pursue no spank alternatives and enforcement of the pertaining law. In other words, there is a high likelihood there is some other factor than spanking or not ( in fact I think it was YOU folks from the pro-spank nitwit crowd that claimed Swedish citizens are spanking their children despite the law ) that is causing a reporting of a higher crime rate. It could even be the reporting and data collection methods variations between countries, and what is and isn't considered criminal behavior. Such silliness, but then that's about all a Pumpkin can come up with. It's miracle that a Plant can cut and paste anyway, so we celebrate that you can do something at all but sit there and wait to be made into a JackOLantern and pies....R R R R bingo bango bongo. Stoneman |
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Murder Swedish style & crime higher than you think
On 14 Sep 2003 17:15:45 GMT, (Fern5827) wrote:
You ACTUALLY HAVE TO READ THE ARTICLE, Yep, I did. Why didn't you? And you the poster. Kane, You called? Blowhard. Tsk tsk. To be called a name by a Plant. How embarrassing. Didja flunk reading comprehension? Math was my challenge, but in college I aced it, thanks to a really good tutor...I married her...r r r r I aced "reading comprehension" with no help at all. r r r r Kane embarasses himself again. Yes. I actually converse in USENET with a mindless Plant as though it was human. Oh, the humiliation. Nope, he doesn't know that emotion.... I don't get it. You accuse me of embarrassment, then claim I am not. I think you are fishing. What a scoop! I think I'll call Montel's people and give it to them, "Plant Fishes." or the "Fishing Plant of USENET." Damn! I ought to be in public relations. Need a PR guy, Cucumber? only hostility and anger: Oh dear. Are Plants unable to recognize other emotions then those? I think you missed my "hilarity." LMAO..... You certainly seem to have that particular limitation. In fact your own range of emotions seem highly limited. Mostly you project malice. He needs Anger management. Clue: I direct my "Anger" quite carefully. Thus I manage it very well, indeed. And you seem to notice very handily? Aren't we a team though? R R R R R And of course, now that you have engaged me on issues concerning your assessment of me psychologically we, I and any readers, are supposed to not notice that you didn't respond to even one of my points that show you are full of ****? Oh well, had you it might have upset my whole day, what with your breaking with Pumpkin tradition and your usual routine. r r r r bingo bango bongo. Stoneman. Subject: Murder Swedish style & crime higher than you think From: (Kane) Date: 9/13/2003 2:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: (Fern5827) wrote in message ... http://cphpost.sites.itera.dk/default.asp?id=34392 May be worth a look. might be, might not. It is possible the RATE is higher. Possibly higher than the rest of the EU. And the relevance to this of a no spank law in Sweden would be? If you do even a casual inquiry you'll find that all the countries that have a far lower incidence of crime in the EU also have NO SPANK laws, so neither causation or correlation would apply. In fact it would tend to strengthen the correlation to lower crime rates in those countries that more vigorously pursue no spank alternatives and enforcement of the pertaining law. In other words, there is a high likelihood there is some other factor than spanking or not ( in fact I think it was YOU folks from the pro-spank nitwit crowd that claimed Swedish citizens are spanking their children despite the law ) that is causing a reporting of a higher crime rate. It could even be the reporting and data collection methods variations between countries, and what is and isn't considered criminal behavior. Such silliness, but then that's about all a Pumpkin can come up with. It's miracle that a Plant can cut and paste anyway, so we celebrate that you can do something at all but sit there and wait to be made into a JackOLantern and pies....R R R R bingo bango bongo. Stoneman |
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Murder Swedish style & crime higher than you think
Fern: I think this is just the tip of the iceberg (accidental pun)
when it comes to wonderful non spanking Scandinavia. Are they fudging the numbers to try to put on a low crime image? (Didn't some city in the US get found out for something like that to enhance their "quality of life" rating to bring in people and employers?) Does Interpol have any motivation to lie about the stats? That they compare their murder rate to us might be a similar stupid comparison shoved in their faces. If the US murder rate is the standard by which they judge their own murder rates, maybe they need to look to a higher standard like Moscow, Beijing or Guatamala? Or Nazi Germany? What I'm confused about is that Social Worker types seem (in literature) to preach the connection of an entire constellation of other factors to crime/murder stats. Then when it's convenient they use a place where NONE of those factors are the same as if it was a CONTROLLED scientific comparison. 1. Scandinavians PEOPLE are NOT American PEOPLE. 2. Almost every variable does. 3. Nothing is the same. 4. Everything changes. 5. Why would any comparison be meaningful? 6. What idiot would compare Copenhagen to Detroit or Los Angeles? Wasn't using Sweden as a model no spanking paradise stupid? Part of this short article actually sounds like the Danes might be a bit sick of the "non spanking" hype also! "our laid-back, neutral, furniture-loving neighbour, where slapping a child is a criminal offence" http://cphpost.sites.itera.dk/default.asp?id=34392 Murder - Swedish style Copenhagen Post (Denmark) 14 September 2003 New Interpol international crime statistics revealed, rather surprisingly, that Sweden, our laid-back, neutral, furniture-loving neighbour, where slapping a child is a criminal offence, tops the European crime league in murder, serious assaults and robberies, and even surpasses the USA in violent crime. The murder rate in Sweden is three times as high as Denmark, four times as high as Norway, and twice as high as in the USA. In addition, Sweden has twice as many sex crimes and robberies as this country and 25 times as many violent assaults. A Swedish National Crime Agency criminologist dismissed the Interpol figures as 'exaggerated.' 'They claim that there were 900 murders here in 2001, but that also included suicides which have somehow ended up in the murder column. To say we have a higher murder rate than the USA is ridiculous,' he said. |
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Greg overdoses on Stupid Pills was....Murder Swedish style & crime higher than you think
On 15 Sep 2003 08:17:45 -0700, (Greg Hanson)
wrote: Fern: I think this is just the tip of the iceberg (accidental pun) when it comes to wonderful non spanking Scandinavia. Well now, that is not quite accurate. One of the things Doan crowed over, and I'm sure made The Plant giggle, was that parents in Scandinavia do not have to be afraid of inforcement...the law is writen without that feature, and they still, and this made Doan howl with glee, spank there children rather a lot. It very hard to reform the ignorant violent types like you, Greegor. You are so sure of yourself and so without empathy that you don't and can't get it until you get smashed up side the head. I think grandpa was too old. I'll be happy to stand in for him next time. After a little bout of illness I'm back to curling 58 pounds, five reps, five sets, every other day. Wanna feel my muskuls? Are they fudging the numbers to try to put on a low crime image? Well if they were someone caught them. eh? But if you think they were, just post it. We'll make fun of them and villify them right along with you. (Didn't some city in the US get found out for something like that to enhance their "quality of life" rating to bring in people and employers?) You do take strange asides, now don't you. What has this particular byway got to do with spanking/nonspanking vis a vis crime rates? I'll listen. You know me, patient as a Buddha, and willing to wait years and years to nail your ass for what you did to the little girl. I think it won't be long. She is so close to being a teen now. A couple of years more of your lazy sitting around conning her mother and she'll be doin' her Laura Croft practice. Little girls these days are growing up to be anything but compliant...don'tchaknow. I can just imagine her plans for you as she remembers the shower, the towel boy, the hands on her tiny six year old naked shoulders being pushed under the shower, and the coldness....ooooo,.... the coldness....the embarrassment for wetting herself. Yeah, I'd have a bugout bag packed if I were you, and someone watching her. Does Interpol have any motivation to lie about the stats? Interpol? They are upset about spanking and crime relationships? Hmm. I guess I'm unfamiliar with their mandate. That they compare their murder rate to us might be a similar stupid comparison shoved in their faces. Yah just got to bully someone, don't yah. "Shoved in their faces" Is like shoved under the shower because she wet herself and had shampoo in her hair? If the US murder rate is the standard by which they judge their own murder rates, maybe they need to look to a higher standard like Moscow, Beijing or Guatamala? Or Nazi Germany? Nazi Germany, after the National Socialist Workers Party came to power acted according to the law. Sadly, like some laws that protect you, they were bad laws. Would that we weren't going in the direction of fascism in this country even now. They will leave laws in place that protect such as you. Sad. But true. But your time will come. I have a hunch, if that child really gets it what you are, she won't care about the law, only about payback. I'll pay for her defense, promise. What I'm confused about is that Social Worker types seem (in literature) to preach the connection of an entire constellation of other factors to crime/murder stats. No they don't. Those are Social Scientists. It's their job to find causation and correlation where they can. So they simply chart events and incidences and make connections where they seem to fit. From that they attempt to advise, by request, policy makers so we, this society, might be better prepared, or at least not too surprized when thugs like you start your numbers. Then when it's convenient they use a place where NONE of those factors are the same as if it was a CONTROLLED scientific comparison. No they don't. The government uses Social Scientist studies to make decisions. It's considered a pretty good way to do things, rather than guess and be so wrong, as you so often are and were. By what means using what methods would you like Social Workers (r rr ) to make decisions about adult towelboys and little girls? You want them to guess don't you. But in fact they have hard data, no analysis, but hard numbers, that clearly show that the paramour (there, that should make you feel better, Whore) of a women is the one most likely to abuse those children. Any man that moves into a home with a woman and her children....and forgive mee...r r r r r r rr ........has got to study up before hand on this subject. Just like you kindly blamed the victim for in your post to BigBoy. Does nothing embarrass you? There is a condition that includes that charateristic in the DSM IV. You should look it up. 1. Scandinavians PEOPLE are NOT American PEOPLE. I am impressed. You are so erudite. 2. Almost every variable does. Does what, be an American people? 3. Nothing is the same. As anything else. We know. Even mirror images are 180 degrees out of faze with what they are reflecting. Are you going to bore us further with your giant intellect and powers of deduction? Bucking for S. Holmes Prize for 2003? That already went to a gent out in Ill-noise that heads up a parent advocate outfit. Look him up. He'll show it to you, surely. 4. Everything changes. Yep, even by the minute of time fragments. Atoms move, pal. You must have known that or you would make such an obvious statement...no wait, you'd only do that if you thought everyone ELSE was stupid. 5. Why would any comparison be meaningful? Yeah, pointless to compare a dry day with a wet and put on your hat. Why in just a few seconds the rain could stop. Look up stupid. Shut your mouth. Breath through your nose. Make some gurggling noises when you choke to death. We need to keep track of your progress . 6. What idiot would compare Copenhagen to Detroit or Los Angeles? Someone idiot trying to figure out what is going on, and doing so by NOT sitting on their dead ass moaning and whining that everyone is against them so why work, who get married until the state returns the child, why why why oh why am I. Wasn't using Sweden as a model no spanking paradise stupid? No, as I said. They have a law. There is NO enforcement part at all. Nothing, and Sweden is known to still have parent, a lot of them, that spank. Part of this short article actually sounds like the Danes might be a bit sick of the "non spanking" hype also! Sure, you hope. Is that were your are going to bugout to when the girl gets old enough to come for you? Think you can find a needy mother with child there to sponge off? By the way, what were you doing before your current "fiance" for a place to live, and pocket change?. "our laid-back, neutral, furniture-loving neighbour, where slapping a child is a criminal offence" Is it? I'm not sure. I haven't read the law. In most places it's a civil matter under no cp laws. In Sweden, as I've noted, it is NO crime or offense at all. The law is a plea to stop the abuse of spanking. Smack upside their punkin' heads would be better. In fact if this continues the Swedes may well go to amending that law. I think I'll write. Why don't you write and try to counter me and get the law repealled completely. I'd love to debate you publically, dip****. You made a lot of stupid assumptions given the limits of this article. Normal for you. Kane http://cphpost.sites.itera.dk/default.asp?id=34392 Murder - Swedish style Copenhagen Post (Denmark) 14 September 2003 New Interpol international crime statistics revealed, rather surprisingly, that Sweden, our laid-back, neutral, furniture-loving neighbour, where slapping a child is a criminal offence, tops the European crime league in murder, serious assaults and robberies, and even surpasses the USA in violent crime. The murder rate in Sweden is three times as high as Denmark, four times as high as Norway, and twice as high as in the USA. In addition, Sweden has twice as many sex crimes and robberies as this country and 25 times as many violent assaults. A Swedish National Crime Agency criminologist dismissed the Interpol figures as 'exaggerated.' 'They claim that there were 900 murders here in 2001, but that also included suicides which have somehow ended up in the murder column. To say we have a higher murder rate than the USA is ridiculous,' he said. |
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Murder Swedish style & crime higher than you think
Fern,
You better off just ignore the little Kane9. Let's him bark! Doan On 14 Sep 2003, Fern5827 wrote: You ACTUALLY HAVE TO READ THE ARTICLE, Kane, Blowhard. Didja flunk reading comprehension? Kane embarasses himself again. Nope, he doesn't know that emotion....only hostility and anger: He needs Anger management. Subject: Murder Swedish style & crime higher than you think From: (Kane) Date: 9/13/2003 2:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: (Fern5827) wrote in message ... http://cphpost.sites.itera.dk/default.asp?id=34392 May be worth a look. might be, might not. It is possible the RATE is higher. Possibly higher than the rest of the EU. And the relevance to this of a no spank law in Sweden would be? If you do even a casual inquiry you'll find that all the countries that have a far lower incidence of crime in the EU also have NO SPANK laws, so neither causation or correlation would apply. In fact it would tend to strengthen the correlation to lower crime rates in those countries that more vigorously pursue no spank alternatives and enforcement of the pertaining law. In other words, there is a high likelihood there is some other factor than spanking or not ( in fact I think it was YOU folks from the pro-spank nitwit crowd that claimed Swedish citizens are spanking their children despite the law ) that is causing a reporting of a higher crime rate. It could even be the reporting and data collection methods variations between countries, and what is and isn't considered criminal behavior. Such silliness, but then that's about all a Pumpkin can come up with. It's miracle that a Plant can cut and paste anyway, so we celebrate that you can do something at all but sit there and wait to be made into a JackOLantern and pies....R R R R bingo bango bongo. Stoneman |
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Murder Swedish style & crime higher than you think
Don't see any data there, Fern. All I saw from your posted website address was
a short six line opinion. Is that your idea of factual evidence? Sorry, I forgot that you don't read anything other than the internet, and you gain your information from media sources only. I guess this would constitute valid information for you. LaVonne Fern5827 wrote: http://cphpost.sites.itera.dk/default.asp?id=34392 May be worth a look. It is possible the RATE is higher. Possibly higher than the rest of the EU. |
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Greg overdoses on Stupid Pills was....Murder Swedish style & crime higher than you think
So the no-spank "success stories" from Scandinavia are bogus?
The no-spank WAGs have been bluffing a long time with that? No wonder Doan was laughing his butt off! |
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Greg overdoses on Stupid Pills was....Murder Swedish style & crime higher than you think
On 25 Sep 2003 03:41:25 -0700, (Greg Hanson)
wrote: So the no-spank "success stories" from Scandinavia are bogus? The no-spank WAGs have been bluffing a long time with that? No wonder Doan was laughing his butt off! Yeah, I guess the NewZealanders, one of the more actively interested research countries on such matter is lying, dawgonitanyways. http://www.epochnz.org.nz/newsletter/6/sweden.shtml The recent report of the effects of this ban is based on data from official Swedish sources on: support for corporal punishment, reporting of child physical assault, child abuse mortality, prosecution rates, and interventions by social authorities. Findings show that: public support for corporal punishment has declined – it is now 11% identification of children at risk has increased child abuse mortality is rare prosecution rates have remained steady – there has not been a greater criminalisation of caregivers social service interventions have become increasingly supportive and preventive. The author concludes that while it is likely that social policies and demographic changes may have also contributed to the trends, she reports it is clear that the original goals of the corporal punishment ban have been met. ________________________ Awwww. Greegor losses his turn as towel boy at the local kindergarten ..... |
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