Dr. Phil

"Barman, I'll have one of what she's drinking!"
;-)



White spirit one assumes.

"Dennis Here" youreply
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CME wrote in message ...

'Kate wrote in message

There are, of course, exceptional men and women who shared duties from
the start or have adopted non-traditional roles by choice.

Yeah and where can I meet them??? lol


I'll collect you from Dublin airport ;-)

Dennis


LOL don't tease me Dennis... I'm a sucker for Irish men.

Christine

"Andrew" wrote in message
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"Dennis Here" youreply
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'Kate 'Kate wrote in message ...


This may surprise you but some men know darn
well that if they shrink a few sweaters or put something dark in the
white wash a few times, that will be the last time they are ever asked
to do laundry in the house.


And plenty of women know how to stand beside a flat tyred car looking
helpless and letting a gallant male do the job when they are quite
capable
of changing the wheel themselves.

Dennis



You never think about the obvious until its pointed out. That very example
is one I have done many times. I can also recall getting calls on the
mobile
to dash over and rescue people by changing tyres. I'm going to have to lie
down and review it all now. Hmm.

Andrew


*ahem* uhhh that's why I have AMA (Alberta Motor Association) they do all
that stuff for me, because hey, I wasn't interested in learning as a teen...
I drive, fill it with gas/oil and that's it.

Christine

'Kate wrote in message ...
On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 17:25:01 -0000, "Dennis Here"
youreply

'Kate 'Kate wrote in message ...


This may surprise you but some men know darn
well that if they shrink a few sweaters or put something dark in the
white wash a few times, that will be the last time they are ever asked
to do laundry in the house.


And plenty of women know how to stand beside a flat tyred car looking
helpless and letting a gallant male do the job when they are quite
capable
of changing the wheel themselves.

Dennis

I'm sure they do. On the other hand, there are men who don't know how
to release the flat tyre from under the car. I was called out on a
bitter night for just such an occasion. Two grown ups, wife and
husband, three kids standing around shivvering and niether had a lick of
common sense.

I think that single parents more often break the mold. We have to or we
won't make it.

'Kate


Hey! I know how to do that!!! lol Being stranded on the highway outside of
Calgary with 2 adult women and 4 kids (one being an infant) sure makes a
girl learn quick.. but I will admit to changing into a tight shirt to get us
help because EVERYONE passed us, and we did need some help (the spare was
flat... hey, it wasn't MY van. lol) And you want to know who ended up
stopping after 2 hours??? A woman, then 2 more guys stopped 15 mins after
her... I thought Albertans were supposed to be friendly? She even followed
us to the Wal-Mart (on her spare) so we could buy a new tire. Ahhh
summer holidays.


Christine

"Joelle" wrote in message
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And plenty of women know how to stand beside a flat tyred car looking
helpless and letting a gallant male do the job when they are quite
capable
of changing the wheel themselves

Actually flat tires are what I pay for Triple A for. Yea, I could do it,
but
last time it was raining and I was more than happy to pay someone else to
do
it.

Joelle
The world is a book and those who do not travel read only one page - St
Augustine
Joelle

Exactly. lol

Christine

"Dennis Here" youreply
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Joelle wrote in message

I think young babies need mama's in a way that men can't fulfill.

Cobblers!
Why then did (and still does,) Freddie bypass his mother to get to me for
his comfort?
I'll tell you. Because I did 90% of the night feeding, he was only weeks
old
initially and I did it until he stopped night feeds. The messages sent
through our eye contact during those precious hours has lasted and I
expect
it will continue for some time to come. After the feed I used to nestle
him
on my chest with his ear over my heartbeat. He felt safe, secure and at
ease
with me, I became his comfort.
If I did it then so can any man. Most never get the opportunity because of
the prevailing attitudes being discussed in this thread.

Dennis


Damn, that's what I need right about now.. a man to hold me to his chest for
strength and comfort...

K, I'm buying that ticket to Ireland. lol

Christine

'Kate wrote in message ...
On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 17:54:06 -0000, "Dennis Here"
youreply

'Kate 'Kate wrote in message

But many mothers can use a breast pump (no, not all)
and most fathers are very good nurturers when given the chance.

I had the chance, I also had the pumped breastmilk initially as Freddie's
mother was quite ill after giving birth. Later, when she was able to
"take
over" it never happened so I carried on. I still am!

I'll bet that was disappointing. We all want the best for our children.
Maybe she felt inadequate or missed a necessary bonding period with
Freddie. Or maybe motherhood just wasn't for her.

I was disappointed by Phil's lack of interest in the children. I asked
for his help. We don't all get what we expect or want.

I wish fathers felt their true value within the family. I think they've
been made to feel superfluous by the changes in society and the more
militant members of the women's rights movement.


Not my generation. Perhaps young men have been influenced more but that
would not be all bad. Getting the balance right seems to be the problem.

Or maybe not in your culture. Or not individually. Our perspectives
may be skewed a bit given that we had spouses with a mental illness that
compromised their ability to bond with others.

A good man is a loving, kind, and considerate father. He stands by his
children and spouse regardless of the ups and downs. He communicates
openly with his wife about the children and works with her as a united
team for the benefit of the family unit. He makes himself available and
takes an interest in the children's interests. He wants to spend time
with them because he genuinely likes them.

As a husband, someone who asks, "How are you doing?" and means it.
Someone who is honest, open, trustworthy and will not betray my
confidences. Someone who sees me as a woman and not just a mother,
housekeeper, or any of the other roles that I take on in life... and one
who cherishes the marriage by doing things that are special to us as a
couple. He would be intelligent and make me laugh but know when it's
time to be serious too. He would not be prone to angry outbursts but be
passionate about life and have a wide range of interests. He must be
able to express himself without being demanding or putting others down.


Hiya 'Kate! [waving] here I am!

Dennis

I know, darlin'... but you're so darn far away. If I were there, we'd
have a go at it.

'Kate


(snicker) a "go at it" eh? Kate, you perv. lol

Christine

"HanK" wrote in message
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"kat"

Reminds me:
The other day, we went out for dinner to that Chuck E Cheese place...

Classy arn't you.

Ah well, not everyone walks all over people to afford Disneyland, we do what
we can and it's for the kids... but then again, you wouldn't know what
that's about.

Christine

'Kate wrote in message ...
On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 23:46:59 GMT, "CME"

Hey! I know how to do that!!! lol Being stranded on the highway outside
of
Calgary with 2 adult women and 4 kids (one being an infant) sure makes a
girl learn quick.. but I will admit to changing into a tight shirt to get
us
help because EVERYONE passed us, and we did need some help (the spare was
flat... hey, it wasn't MY van. lol) And you want to know who ended up
stopping after 2 hours??? A woman, then 2 more guys stopped 15 mins after
her... I thought Albertans were supposed to be friendly? She even
followed
us to the Wal-Mart (on her spare) so we could buy a new tire. Ahhh
summer holidays.


Christine

What a nice woman! We have a highway patrol.. the phone number is on
the back of our window registration sticker. Getting stuck on the side
of a highway is so dangerous.

'Kate

Uhh not here in Canada... honestly, that never even crossed my mind. :|

Christine

'Kate wrote in message ...
On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 23:53:43 GMT, "CME"

(snicker) a "go at it" eh? Kate, you perv. lol

Christine

smile Oh come on... you saw his pic. I'm still among the land of the
living.

'Kate

I did? When? Damn I don't remember!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Send it over. lmao

Christine