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Foster father sentenced to 30 years for shaking infant, causingher to lose sight and ability to walk
On Mar 1, 11:05 am, Greegor wrote:
On Mar 1, 9:52 am, LK wrote: On Mar 1, 10:32 am, Dan Sullivan wrote: On Mar 1, 12:42 am, Greegor wrote: Why is it that when asked how much your state (Nebraska) pays for Foster Care reimbursement that you never ponied up any figures, Ron? You can post the figures, greg. http://www.childrensrights.org/site/....swf?docID=421 http://www.hunter.cuny.edu/socwork/n...ster-care-main... Have you seen the recent campaign to jack up the rates? Have you, greg? Post the links and info. It sure is convenient for Family Rights people that they actually made the base dollar amounts public! If the info is public why don't YOU post the info instead of asking other people to post it, greg? Where do you think the motivation for this comes from Ron? It's public information. Thanks, LK! Les is more! LOL No, Les is a morON. He did what you should have done... but never do. Post the info yourself! |
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Foster father sentenced to 30 years for shaking infant, causing her to lose sight and ability to walk
"LK" wrote in message ... On Mar 1, 4:29 am, "dragonsgirl" wrote: "Greegor" wrote in message ... On Feb 25, 12:17 am, LindaLouMom wrote: I do not know what state you are from but Here in Ohio..I sit and watch so many children DIE at the hands of their bio family because the system refuses to take the children. A child is more likely to be abused, mollested or die in the hands of the state. And I highly doubt you sit there watching children die. My neighbor had 3 children...5yrs, 15mo months, 3 months...left the 5 year old to watch every night while she went to the bars...I have went into her house night after night and took the kids into my house. I called the CPS every single time. They visit ask questions then give bio mom a case plan to work on..a day or two later I have the kids again. 2 of the children were born toxic..did they remove the children HELL NO. Guess who has the children now..NOT BIO and not CPS. I just took them one day and have had them for almost 13 months. ( 5year old knows the ratio of water to powder formula when making a bottle) I am not a foster parent nor am I a worker. I am a bio mom of 4 and a teacher. I do not get the funds foster parents get, I do not get any financial help from anyone for keeping these 3 children safe. Bio mom calls once or twice a month to ask about "her babies" and says tell them I love them. WHATEVER!! Maybe you could take the real mother to court for child support. In my position as a teacher in the inner city, I see abuse committed by bio family DAILY. I call CPS every time I see things and hear things from the children that is not right. Do they ever get removed? NO! One little boy bruised from head to toe because I called about him talking too much in class. Services came to school, took pictures and called mom to the building and questioned her, she said He needs to learn to follow rules and he just bruises easy....he was released to her even though she admitted she is the one who caused the bruises. I am not sure how other other states run the system but here in ohio the system favors the bio families, even when they have caused much harm to the children. You know, Linda, maybe you came from this perfect middle class family. Maybe you have a wonderful view of childhood and what it should be like. Maybe you sit there watching television only to see the most horriffic acts of abuse being committed by only the most horrible of parents. As a teacher, I'm sure you come into contact with many children. If you are a teacher in a poor neighborhood perhaps it is more likely that you see kids who come from less then perfect worlds. But don't exagerate that which you can not prove. And do not commit to an ultimate solution that just does not work for the children. You will have people like my buddy Ron here, who will swear up and down that the foster care system is the best thing for many of these kids. Yet they get these kids, bounce them around from home to home as if they're puppies. They're always trying to figure out what they are going to do with these kids once they're in the system. Some get adopted into loving homes. Great. Others end up aging out of the system with no family ties, bonds or social support. Lots of them are medicated heavily with psychiatric drugs that they just don't need. There are more than half a million children and youth in the U.S. foster care system, a 90% increase since 1987. Three of 10 of the nation's homeless are former foster children. A recent study has found that 12-18 months after leaving foster ca 27% of the males and 10% of the females had been incarcerated 33% were receiving public assistance 37% had not finished high school 50% were unemployed *Casey Family Programs National Center for Resource Family Support Children in foster care are three to six times more likely than children not in care to have emotional, behavioral and developmental problems, including conduct disorders, depression, difficulties in school and impaired social relationships. Some experts estimate that about30% of the children in care have marked or severe emotional problems. Various studies have indicated that children and young people in foster care tend to have limited education and job skills, perform poorly in school compared to children who are not in foster care, lag behind in their education by at least one year, and have lower educational attainment than the general population. *Casey Family Programs National Center for Resource Family Support 80 percent of prison inmates have been through the foster care system. *National Association of Social Workers Children are 11 times more likely to be abused in State care than they are in their own homes. *National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect (NCCAN) Children died as a result of abuse in foster care 5.25 times more often than children in the general population. 2.1 percent of all child fatalities took place in foster care. While this may seem like a relatively low number, we must consider the contrast in population between children in the general population versus children in foster care. In 1997, there were nearly 71 million children in the general population (99.6%), but only 302 thousand in state care (.4%) in state care. As state care is supposed to be a 'safe haven', the number of fatalities should be less or at least equal to what it is in the general population of children. By this standard, there should have been less than .4% of child fatalities occurring in foster care, however, there was 5.25 times that amount. (31 states reporting) *CPS Watch Inc. Please, povide links to the above statement so that their accuracy can be verified. Ron Do the math. *Somehow I am not one bit surprised that you avoided that. Not one bit. Could be because your belief's and opinions have absolutely no supporting facts. Could also be because knowing that CPSWatch is a massively biased and a well known pervayor of misleading statements that skewing or spin the available facts. Could also be that you rarely support your statements. Any or all, they are all stronger possibilities than the idea that you have actually decided to meet the obligations of someone with an opinion in this forum and support your statements. Ron Ron buddy Let me ask you a question. Have you even looked at my site? Have you ever even seen it? Do you have any idea of the work I've done on it, the research I've put into it or of the knowledge I actually do have about the things that are going on in the system? Do you even remotely have a clue as to how the system is failing children and families? Have you been following allong with the current events regarding child protective and foster care at all lately? Do you know about the major overhauls of DHS in some states or how Oaklahoma, Micigan and Oregon are all currently being sued by a major childrens rights groups? Did you know that they are trying to change things so that a foster child doesn't age out of the system until age 21 instead of 18, becasue lots of kids just aren't ready to be on their own at 18? Do you really know what's going on in the system? Or are you just spewing **** out of your mouth like a typicol foster contractor who is trying to keep himself in a job, without actually knowing a goddamn thing based on a single set of facts that tells nothing of any debth such as severity of the abuse suffered comparitavely amongst these children etc? Because there are all kinds of facts on my site Ron, sources all cited. Hundreds of links with lots and lots and lots of facts and stories and studies and reports. My site goes a lot deeper into the system and how it works and the damage it has caused to children and families then anything you have ever done or said or would admit to or discussed in this group. So here it is Ron http://www.LegallyKidnapped.blogspot.com go check it out, look at how ALL of my sources are all cited. Watch some of the videos. Read some of the stories, etc. Spend a little bit of time there. Lets see if you really have an "open mind" like you claim you do. Check and see how you have to go to the original sources to read the entire articles etc. Then come back and spew your bull**** about your facts all you want, but don't try to tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about without seeing for yourself what I am talking about. Hell Ron, I'd even invite you to leave a comment, so you can prove that you've been there. Leave your honest opinion in the comments section regarding anything I've posted to my blog. Then lets compair my facts to yours. Do you have any good lessons for Ron about RATIOS? ***Greg, I'd like to ask you, are you impressed with Les' edu-ma-cation? Do you really believe that Les is someone capable of giving anyone else a 'lesson'? Is that 'typicol' of your opinion? At least KRP's litter posts are obviously typoes. I think if Ron could learn something, anything, from someone else, he'd pick someone with a little more basic intelligence and a whole lot of personal experience. Betty Darling Is there anything specific on my site which you'd like to dispute the validity of? After all, it's not like you system sucks actually look into anything before passing judgment. And you know that my buddy Ron won't bother to look either. He doesn't have the balls to look beyond the single set of documents he's been defending for years. It would force him to reconsider his argument. ***Nope, not a thing. I did look, and it's a collection of articles that present your point of view, and only that. What's to dispute? That's what you think, big deal. |
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Betty picks on LK's spelling as indicative of ignorance
"Greegor" wrote in message ... Ron buddy Let me ask you a question. Have you even looked at my site? Have you ever even seen it? Do you have any idea of the work I've done on it, the research I've put into it or of the knowledge I actually do have about the things that are going on in the system? Do you even remotely have a clue as to how the system is failing children and families? Have you been following allong with the current events regarding child protective and foster care at all lately? Do you know about the major overhauls of DHS in some states or how Oaklahoma, Micigan and Oregon are all currently being sued by a major childrens rights groups? Did you know that they are trying to change things so that a foster child doesn't age out of the system until age 21 instead of 18, becasue lots of kids just aren't ready to be on their own at 18? Do you really know what's going on in the system? Or are you just spewing **** out of your mouth like a typicol foster contractor who is trying to keep himself in a job, without actually knowing a goddamn thing based on a single set of facts that tells nothing of any debth such as severity of the abuse suffered comparitavely amongst these children etc? Because there are all kinds of facts on my site Ron, sources all cited. Hundreds of links with lots and lots and lots of facts and stories and studies and reports. My site goes a lot deeper into the system and how it works and the damage it has caused to children and families then anything you have ever done or said or would admit to or discussed in this group. So here it is Ron http://www.LegallyKidnapped.blogspot.com go check it out, look at how ALL of my sources are all cited. Watch some of the videos. Read some of the stories, etc. Spend a little bit of time there. Lets see if you really have an "open mind" like you claim you do. Check and see how you have to go to the original sources to read the entire articles etc. Then come back and spew your bull**** about your facts all you want, but don't try to tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about without seeing for yourself what I am talking about. Hell Ron, I'd even invite you to leave a comment, so you can prove that you've been there. Leave your honest opinion in the comments section regarding anything I've posted to my blog. Then lets compair my facts to yours. G Do you have any good lessons for Ron about RATIOS? BW Greg, I'd like to ask you, are you impressed BW with Les' edu-ma-cation? G His name is not Les. G You can't even call him by the right name. BW I choose to call him Les, and he has BW no complaints about it. Why do you care? Goes to your credibility. ***Such as when you call me by names that aren't mine, accuse me of being in a profession I am not? G "The beginning of all wisdom is getting G things by their right name." Confucious BW Do you really believe that Les is someone BW capable of giving anyone else a 'lesson'? BW Is that 'typicol' of your opinion? G Are you confusing spelling errors with ignorance? BW Hoooo-kay...so what would YOU call BW someone who can't communicate in BW their own language? Are you talking about bureaucratese or agency speak? Or are you pretending that spelling a few words wrong makes him inferior, especially to you? ****I'm not 'pretending' anything. I was simply pointing to either lack of intelligence or lack of education. Surely it's simply one or the other. BW At least KRP's litter posts are obviously BW typoes. I think if Ron could learn something, BW anything, from someone else, he'd pick BW someone with a little more basic intelligence BW and a whole lot of personal experience. G Exactly why "LK" is qualified in that regard. BW So, Les is a foster parent then? Tell me, Betty, do you REALLY think that bureaucracy is the only experience that counts? ****What experience, specifically, qualifies Les to judge? Be precise, I wouldn't want to miss it. If it's even remotely like your experience as a parent then this should be good. |
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Foster father sentenced to 30 years for shaking infant, causing her to lose sight and ability to walk
"Greegor" wrote in message ... On Feb 29, 2:05 pm, "Ron" wrote: "LK" wrote in message ... On Feb 25, 6:20 pm, "Ron" wrote: "LK" wrote in message ... On Feb 25, 12:17 am, LindaLouMom wrote: I do not know what state you are from but Here in Ohio..I sit and watch so many children DIE at the hands of their bio family because the system refuses to take the children. A child is more likely to be abused, mollested or die in the hands of the state. And I highly doubt you sit there watching children die. My neighbor had 3 children...5yrs, 15mo months, 3 months...left the 5 year old to watch every night while she went to the bars...I have went into her house night after night and took the kids into my house. I called the CPS every single time. They visit ask questions then give bio mom a case plan to work on..a day or two later I have the kids again. 2 of the children were born toxic..did they remove the children HELL NO. Guess who has the children now..NOT BIO and not CPS. I just took them one day and have had them for almost 13 months. ( 5year old knows the ratio of water to powder formula when making a bottle) I am not a foster parent nor am I a worker. I am a bio mom of 4 and a teacher. I do not get the funds foster parents get, I do not get any financial help from anyone for keeping these 3 children safe. Bio mom calls once or twice a month to ask about "her babies" and says tell them I love them. WHATEVER!! Maybe you could take the real mother to court for child support. In my position as a teacher in the inner city, I see abuse committed by bio family DAILY. I call CPS every time I see things and hear things from the children that is not right. Do they ever get removed? NO! One little boy bruised from head to toe because I called about him talking too much in class. Services came to school, took pictures and called mom to the building and questioned her, she said He needs to learn to follow rules and he just bruises easy....he was released to her even though she admitted she is the one who caused the bruises. I am not sure how other other states run the system but here in ohio the system favors the bio families, even when they have caused much harm to the children. You know, Linda, maybe you came from this perfect middle class family. Maybe you have a wonderful view of childhood and what it should be like. Maybe you sit there watching television only to see the most horriffic acts of abuse being committed by only the most horrible of parents. As a teacher, I'm sure you come into contact with many children. If you are a teacher in a poor neighborhood perhaps it is more likely that you see kids who come from less then perfect worlds. But don't exagerate that which you can not prove. And do not commit to an ultimate solution that just does not work for the children. You will have people like my buddy Ron here, who will swear up and down that the foster care system is the best thing for many of these kids. Yet they get these kids, bounce them around from home to home as if they're puppies. They're always trying to figure out what they are going to do with these kids once they're in the system. Some get adopted into loving homes. Great. Others end up aging out of the system with no family ties, bonds or social support. Lots of them are medicated heavily with psychiatric drugs that they just don't need. There are more than half a million children and youth in the U.S. foster care system, a 90% increase since 1987. Three of 10 of the nation's homeless are former foster children. A recent study has found that 12-18 months after leaving foster ca 27% of the males and 10% of the females had been incarcerated 33% were receiving public assistance 37% had not finished high school 50% were unemployed *Casey Family Programs National Center for Resource Family Support Children in foster care are three to six times more likely than children not in care to have emotional, behavioral and developmental problems, including conduct disorders, depression, difficulties in school and impaired social relationships. Some experts estimate that about 30% of the children in care have marked or severe emotional problems. Various studies have indicated that children and young people in foster care tend to have limited education and job skills, perform poorly in school compared to children who are not in foster care, lag behind in their education by at least one year, and have lower educational attainment than the general population. *Casey Family Programs National Center for Resource Family Support 80 percent of prison inmates have been through the foster care system. *National Association of Social Workers Children are 11 times more likely to be abused in State care than they are in their own homes. *National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect (NCCAN) Children died as a result of abuse in foster care 5.25 times more often than children in the general population. 2.1 percent of all child fatalities took place in foster care. While this may seem like a relatively low number, we must consider the contrast in population between children in the general population versus children in foster care. In 1997, there were nearly 71 million children in the general population (99.6%), but only 302 thousand in state care (.4%) in state care. As state care is supposed to be a 'safe haven', the number of fatalities should be less or at least equal to what it is in the general population of children. By this standard, there should have been less than .4% of child fatalities occurring in foster care, however, there was 5.25 times that amount. (31 states reporting) *CPS Watch Inc. Please, povide links to the above statement so that their accuracy can be verified. Ron Do the math. *Somehow I am not one bit surprised that you avoided that. Not one bit. Could be because your belief's and opinions have absolutely no supporting facts. Could also be because knowing that CPSWatch is a massively biased and a well known pervayor of misleading statements that skewing or spin the available facts. Could also be that you rarely support your statements. Any or all, they are all stronger possibilities than the idea that you have actually decided to meet the obligations of someone with an opinion in this forum and support your statements. Ron Why is it that when asked how much your state (Nebraska) pays for Foster Care reimbursement that you never ponied up any figures, Ron? *I have, several times gregg. I'm not going to do your research for you, find out for yourself. Its in the google archives. Have you seen the recent campaign to jack up the rates? *Nope It sure is convenient for Family Rights people that they actually made the base dollar amounts public! *Base dollar amount. $222/month. Yeah, that covers a lot now dosent it gregg. Where do you think the motivation for this comes from Ron? *Certainly not the reimbursement. Where did your motiviation to abuse Lisa's daughter come from? Ron |
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