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Old October 10th 06, 04:09 AM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.parenting.spanking
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This story listed her AGE differently, named names and ended
differently.

http://www.35wsee.com/news2a.cfm?mor...news=fullstory
Mother Charged with Using Baby as Weapon

Twenty-year old Chytoria Graham is in the Erie County Prison, facing
numerous charges from a fight with her boyfriend early Sunday morning.
What makes the case horrendous for police and victim advocates, is that
Graham is charged with using her four week old baby boy as a weapon to
strike her boyfriend Deangelo Troop.
The child, Jarron Troop, was lifeflighted to Pittsburgh where as of
this writing he is in serious but stable condition.
Police say that Graham admitted to police that she swung the child at
Troop during a fight. She says she had been drinking earlier in the
evening.



http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...cal&id=4641205
Police: Baby Used As Weapon
ERIE, Pa. (AP) - October 9, 2006 - An Erie woman remains in the county
lockup this morning on charges she used her 4-week-old child as a
weapon during a fight with her boyfriend.

District Attorney Bradley Foulk says he's never, never, never seen a
case like the one involving 27-year-old Chytoria Graham and her baby.
Authorities say Graham swung the baby through the air and used the
child to strike her boyfriend. It was not immediately clear if the man
Graham allegedly attacked was the baby's father.
Foulk says the baby was critically injured, but updated information on
the child wasn't possible this morning because authorities haven't
identified the Pittsburgh hospital where the baby was taken.
Authorities removed four other children from Graham's home.


http://kdka.com/local/local_story_282083311.html
Erie Mom Beat Boyfriend With Baby, DA Says
(KDKA/AP) ERIE Erie police say a baby is in serious but stable
condition with a skull fracture after his mother allegedly used the
4-week-old child as a weapon during a fight with her boyfriend.
District Attorney Bradley Foulk says he's never, never, never seen a
case like the one involving 27-year-old Chytoria Graham and her baby.
Authorities say Graham swung the baby through the air and used the
child to strike her boyfriend.
It was not immediately clear if the man Graham allegedly attacked was
the baby's father.
The baby is being treated for a skull fracture and bleeding on the
brain at Children's Hospital in Pittsburgh.
Authorities removed four other children from Graham's home.
Police say Graham hit the baby's father with the child.
That man is father to one of Graham's other children, too.

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Old October 10th 06, 04:51 AM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.parenting.spanking
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Greegor wrote:
http://imgsrv.knx1070.com/image/DbGr...610/374331.jpg
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This story listed her AGE differently, named names and ended
differently.


.....and ?

You certainly buried my comments this time, old boy. No ethics at all,
no conscience, nothing socially redeeming in you left?

What are you, a Republican?

R R R R R R R R R R



http://www.35wsee.com/news2a.cfm?mor...news=fullstory
Mother Charged with Using Baby as Weapon

Twenty-year old Chytoria Graham is in the Erie County Prison, facing
numerous charges from a fight with her boyfriend early Sunday morning.
What makes the case horrendous for police and victim advocates, is that
Graham is charged with using her four week old baby boy as a weapon to
strike her boyfriend Deangelo Troop.
The child, Jarron Troop, was lifeflighted to Pittsburgh where as of
this writing he is in serious but stable condition.
Police say that Graham admitted to police that she swung the child at
Troop during a fight. She says she had been drinking earlier in the
evening.



http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...cal&id=4641205
Police: Baby Used As Weapon
ERIE, Pa. (AP) - October 9, 2006 - An Erie woman remains in the county
lockup this morning on charges she used her 4-week-old child as a
weapon during a fight with her boyfriend.

District Attorney Bradley Foulk says he's never, never, never seen a
case like the one involving 27-year-old Chytoria Graham and her baby.
Authorities say Graham swung the baby through the air and used the
child to strike her boyfriend. It was not immediately clear if the man
Graham allegedly attacked was the baby's father.
Foulk says the baby was critically injured, but updated information on
the child wasn't possible this morning because authorities haven't
identified the Pittsburgh hospital where the baby was taken.
Authorities removed four other children from Graham's home.


http://kdka.com/local/local_story_282083311.html
Erie Mom Beat Boyfriend With Baby, DA Says
(KDKA/AP) ERIE Erie police say a baby is in serious but stable
condition with a skull fracture after his mother allegedly used the
4-week-old child as a weapon during a fight with her boyfriend.
District Attorney Bradley Foulk says he's never, never, never seen a
case like the one involving 27-year-old Chytoria Graham and her baby.
Authorities say Graham swung the baby through the air and used the
child to strike her boyfriend.
It was not immediately clear if the man Graham allegedly attacked was
the baby's father.
The baby is being treated for a skull fracture and bleeding on the
brain at Children's Hospital in Pittsburgh.
Authorities removed four other children from Graham's home.
Police say Graham hit the baby's father with the child.
That man is father to one of Graham's other children, too.


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Old October 10th 06, 05:40 AM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.parenting.spanking
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Kane wrote
What are you, a Republican?


Trying to unburden yourself?

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Old October 10th 06, 04:44 PM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.parenting.spanking
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Greegor wrote:
Kane wrote
What are you, a Republican?


Trying to unburden yourself?


In other words you have no comment on the "violation of parental
rights" visited on this family by removal of the uninjured children,
isn't that right?

Where's Doug in all this?

Isn't he another claimant that children removed that have not bee at
risk or injured are being 'incarcerated' and having their rights
violated?

Aren't you going to stick by your principles?

At least stand up for the man, since you think "men" are discriminated
against, Greg?

Why should HE lose his children even temporarily, eh?

For an update on the story,

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061010/...BhBHNlYwM5NjQ-
http://tinyurl.com/hwddk

Woman says she didn't mean to hurl baby

1 hour, 16 minutes ago

ERIE, Pa. - A northwestern Pennsylvania woman accused of using her baby
to batter her child's father said she didn't realize what she was doing
until it was too late. ...

Well, of course not. Just an "accident."

R R R R R....

Except of course it's no joke for the baby. Read what happened to HIM.

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Old October 10th 06, 09:17 PM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.parenting.spanking
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Kane wrote
What are you, a Republican?


Greg wrote
Trying to unburden yourself?


Kane wrote
In other words you have no comment on the "violation of parental
rights" visited on this family by removal of the uninjured children,
isn't that right?


That would be a pretty wild, almost insane interpretation of
exchange about party affiliation. But you are Kane.

I was drawing attention to your claims that you are
politically a conservative, while trying to insult
others for being a Republican. This clearly
indicates you are thinking from a liberal perspective.




Kane wrote
At least stand up for the man, since you
think "men" are discriminated against, Greg?


Didn't you have some procedural concerns
about the reasoning for INSTANTLY removing
the other kids from the father?

Why should HE lose his children even temporarily, eh?


That is a concern, of course.

But a story this titillating is rushed to press so fast there have
been contradictions about Chytoria/Chyrotia and age of 20/27.

She was drunk and did something tragically stupid.

Did he do anything wrong?




http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...91-663,00.html

Baby used as weapon
October 11, 2006 12:00am
A WOMAN in Pennsylvania, accused of using her baby to batter her
boyfriend, said she didn't realise what she was doing until it was too
late.

Chyrotia Graham, 27, told police she had been drinking when an argument
with the child's father turned violent.
She had snapped and began throwing things at Deangelo Troop, 20, and
didn't realise she had picked up her four-week-old son, Jarron.

Police said she held him by the legs and swung him at his father,
hitting the boy's head.

Jarron suffered a fractured skull and bleeding in the brain.

Mr Troop told the Erie Times-News Ms Graham never meant to hurt their
child. "People are trying to make a big deal about it, but she did not
do it on purpose. It was just a mistake," he said.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...101000286.html
Woman Says She Didn't Mean to Hurl Baby

The Associated Press Tuesday, October 10, 2006; 2:59 PM

ERIE, Pa. -- A northwestern Pennsylvania woman accused of using her
baby to batter her child's father said she didn't realize what she was
doing until it was too late.

Chyrotia Graham, 27, of Erie, told police she had been drinking when an
argument with the child's father turned violent early Sunday morning,
according to an affidavit filed to support Graham's arrest.

Graham said she "snapped" and began grabbing things and throwing them
at Deangelo Troop, 20, not realizing she had picked up her 4-week-old
son, Jarron Troop, telling police she held the child by his legs and
swung him at his father. Police had said they believed the woman held
the baby by the midsection when she hit the man.

Graham was being held in the Erie County Jail on Monday on $75,000
bond. She faces charges of aggravated assault, reckless endangerment
and simple assault.

Jarron, who was born Sept. 11, suffered a fractured skull and bleeding
in the brain after the incident. The infant's head hit Deangelo, who
had also fathered one of Graham's other four children.

Deangelo told the Erie Times-News that Graham never meant to hurt their
child.

"People are trying to make a big deal about it, but she did not do it
on purpose. ... It was just a mistake," he said.

Defense attorney Alison Scarpitti, who was assigned by the Erie County
Public Defender's Office to represent Graham, said Monday she could not
comment because she had not met with Graham.

Police said Troop punched Graham in the eye after she put the baby
down, and police photos later showed her eye blackened and swollen
shut.

Authorities said there was no indication that Troop had hit his son but
that they were reviewing the case to see if any charges might be
warranted.

"I don't anticipate any at this time," Erie police Capt. Frank
Kwitowski said Monday.

Officials at Children's Hospital in Pittsburgh declined to release
information about the baby early Tuesday. He was flown to the hospital
by helicopter after the incident.

Authorities removed Graham's other children from the home. The Erie
County Office of Children and Youth granted temporary custody to their
maternal grandparents, Gloria Graham and Cornell Petty of Erie.

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Old October 11th 06, 04:27 AM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.parenting.spanking
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Greegor wrote:
Kane wrote
What are you, a Republican?


Greg wrote
Trying to unburden yourself?


Kane wrote
In other words you have no comment on the "violation of parental
rights" visited on this family by removal of the uninjured children,
isn't that right?


That would be a pretty wild, almost insane interpretation of
exchange about party affiliation. But you are Kane.

I was drawing attention to your claims that you are
politically a conservative, while trying to insult
others for being a Republican. This clearly
indicates you are thinking from a liberal perspective.


Yes, you were, and using that to avoid and ignore the questions I put
to you.

As usual.

Anyone can find in another's posts SOMETHING to use to avoid the issue,
if they want to and are dishonest like you hooters.

My perspective is not what should be in question here.

Though feel free to point out precisely what you think indicated a
"liberal" bioas or opinion in this matter and what I've said about it.


Kane wrote
At least stand up for the man, since you
think "men" are discriminated against, Greg?


Didn't you have some procedural concerns
about the reasoning for INSTANTLY removing
the other kids from the father?


Nope. Until there is an investigation ... which at the point of the
police showing up there had NOT been, removing the children insures
that had HE been the perp he'd not have access to them to coach them to
lie to protect him.

In fact, knowing how cops think, and should, they were making sure
there could be NO tainting of witnesses. That IS one of the prime
reasons for removal of children in a child abuse case, Greg.

But the you WANT the evidence tainted, since that's how criminals minds
work and you seem to have one. At least many of your thought processes
duplicate what I have seen in criminals I've worked with, both juvenile
and adult.


Why should HE lose his children even temporarily, eh?


That is a concern, of course.


Oh, bull****, Greg. When such and event happens and the police are
called they cannot put a 24 hour guard on the kids and keep them in the
home to protect them AND preserve the evidence. They remove.

You'd be surprized how often the cops call up CPS to come pick up the
kids, or deliver them themselves. Many even KNOW the shelter home
foster parents and show up unannounced. Boy that causes som
consternation...but then CPS workers are routinely assigned in rotation
on-call status and have a state cell phone at the ready...and they are
themselves trained investigators for the most part.

But a story this titillating is rushed to press so fast there have
been contradictions about Chytoria/Chyrotia and age of 20/27.


Yep. That's the media for yah. Even the cops make mistakes.

Having done so would you suggest they all butt out, and leave the child
with the fractured skull and bleeding into the brain with mommy
dearest?

She was drunk and did something tragically stupid.

Tell me about it.
Did he do anything wrong?


Mmmm....how would one know (like the detective assigned to the case)
before some time investigating.

Where should the children be during the investigation, and afterward
while the cop, who has found that daddy may have been actively involved
(as is often the case) tries to get a court order to remove/

No, the cop is given the descretion, as it should be to act in the best
interests of the child.

This is what YOU ****ants call 'incarcerating the child,' of course.

THAT is how sick you are. Second guessing the cop, a trained expert in
investigations...tsk tsk tsk.

Yes, the was certainly an unusual story, and of course the media would
rush to print it, but then don't they in any such case?

So what,. Greg? So what?

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http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...91-663,00.html

Baby used as weapon
October 11, 2006 12:00am
A WOMAN in Pennsylvania, accused of using her baby to batter her
boyfriend, said she didn't realise what she was doing until it was too
late.

Chyrotia Graham, 27, told police she had been drinking when an argument
with the child's father turned violent.
She had snapped and began throwing things at Deangelo Troop, 20, and
didn't realise she had picked up her four-week-old son, Jarron.

Police said she held him by the legs and swung him at his father,
hitting the boy's head.

Jarron suffered a fractured skull and bleeding in the brain.

Mr Troop told the Erie Times-News Ms Graham never meant to hurt their
child. "People are trying to make a big deal about it, but she did not
do it on purpose. It was just a mistake," he said.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...101000286.html
Woman Says She Didn't Mean to Hurl Baby

The Associated Press Tuesday, October 10, 2006; 2:59 PM

ERIE, Pa. -- A northwestern Pennsylvania woman accused of using her
baby to batter her child's father said she didn't realize what she was
doing until it was too late.

Chyrotia Graham, 27, of Erie, told police she had been drinking when an
argument with the child's father turned violent early Sunday morning,
according to an affidavit filed to support Graham's arrest.

Graham said she "snapped" and began grabbing things and throwing them
at Deangelo Troop, 20, not realizing she had picked up her 4-week-old
son, Jarron Troop, telling police she held the child by his legs and
swung him at his father. Police had said they believed the woman held
the baby by the midsection when she hit the man.

Graham was being held in the Erie County Jail on Monday on $75,000
bond. She faces charges of aggravated assault, reckless endangerment
and simple assault.

Jarron, who was born Sept. 11, suffered a fractured skull and bleeding
in the brain after the incident. The infant's head hit Deangelo, who
had also fathered one of Graham's other four children.

Deangelo told the Erie Times-News that Graham never meant to hurt their
child.

"People are trying to make a big deal about it, but she did not do it
on purpose. ... It was just a mistake," he said.

Defense attorney Alison Scarpitti, who was assigned by the Erie County
Public Defender's Office to represent Graham, said Monday she could not
comment because she had not met with Graham.

Police said Troop punched Graham in the eye after she put the baby
down, and police photos later showed her eye blackened and swollen
shut.

Authorities said there was no indication that Troop had hit his son but
that they were reviewing the case to see if any charges might be
warranted.

"I don't anticipate any at this time," Erie police Capt. Frank
Kwitowski said Monday.

Officials at Children's Hospital in Pittsburgh declined to release
information about the baby early Tuesday. He was flown to the hospital
by helicopter after the incident.

Authorities removed Graham's other children from the home. The Erie
County Office of Children and Youth granted temporary custody to their
maternal grandparents, Gloria Graham and Cornell Petty of Erie.


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Kane wrote
In fact, knowing how cops think, and should, they were making sure
there could be NO tainting of witnesses. That IS one of the prime
reasons for removal of children in a child abuse case, Greg.


Witness BABY? Tainted??

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Greegor wrote:
Kane wrote
In fact, knowing how cops think, and should, they were making sure
there could be NO tainting of witnesses. That IS one of the prime
reasons for removal of children in a child abuse case, Greg.


Witness BABY? Tainted??


Oh for **** sakes, STUPID.

THE OTHER CHILDREN.

Even jerking your chain, I wouldn't presume you'd think that the
injured child was the one I mentioned as "violation of rights of the
parent."

THE OTHER CHILDREN DIMWIT.

There is also the protection of the remaining children when it has NOT
been established LEGALLY who the actual perp is.

More than one woman has taken a fall for the man in her life..ask Lisa.

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Old October 17th 06, 11:14 AM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.parenting.spanking
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Kane wrote
More than one woman has taken a fall for the man in her life..ask [].


Juvenile court has no jurisdiction to convict on any crime.

Juvenile court is about non-criminal allegations often totally without
proof.

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Old October 17th 06, 04:16 PM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.parenting.spanking
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Greegor wrote:
Kane wrote
More than one woman has taken a fall for the man in her life..ask [].


Juvenile court has no jurisdiction to convict on any crime.

Juvenile court is about non-criminal allegations often totally without
proof.

Does this look like a juvenile court case?

"http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/10/09/D8KL9F287.html

Mom Accused of Swinging Baby As Weapon
Oct 09 2:39 PM US/Eastern "

I opened the thread with that. Now you've gone a wandering because you
have no real response to challenge my premise.

Nice going, stupid.

You must wander about in a fuzzy haze all the time. You hardly can
figure out what's being discussed so you insert your own vapid meanderings.

So CPS removes the other children.

Who do you think the court uses in cases such as this to take charge of
and have temporary custody of the children?

Where did you get the idea that CPS ONLY gets involved in "juvenile
court" cases you stupid git?

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